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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:42:59 PM EDT
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Was told about it in the academy, not necessarily a teaching moment, just mentioned in a block of patrolling instruction. Never done it and never seen it done in real life.
I don't really buy into it. Hard to get prints off a dirty car. Plus let's say I get wacked while stopping a red mustang, what are my buddies going to do, stop every red mustang in town and dust for prints??? And regarding the trunk, as someone mentioned most cars have internal trunk releases now. But if someone gets butthurt over a cop's print on your trunk or taillight, that's some petty shit. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:43:43 PM EDT
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I do it. Got a problem, don't get stopped. Heh that's what I was thinking. Don't get stopped for traffic violations and you won't have to worry about it. But all kidding aside, after reading the explanation of why ... this practice doesn't bother me. if anything i just wish it wasn't something they had to worry about in the first place. 
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:44:23 PM EDT
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Cop touches my truck is going to have to clean his hands...I never wash the darned thing. This and watch out for all that rusty metal officer. 
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:45:08 PM EDT
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Cop touches my truck is going to have to clean his hands...I never wash the darned thing. I am in the same boat - poor guy would probably end up suing me for assaulting an officer!
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:45:11 PM EDT
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While I love a god JBT thread is it really a good idea to be advertising this info? Seems like a small step to wipe down your tail lights after doing something unspeakable.... If they're sitting there deciding whether to clean off their tail lights, they're as good as caught already. I wouldn't worry. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:46:17 PM EDT
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Drive a truck
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:47:04 PM EDT
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Heh that's what I was thinking. Don't get stopped for traffic violations and you won't have to worry about it. But all kidding aside, after reading the explanation of why ... this practice doesn't bother me. if anything i just wish it wasn't something they had to worry about in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I do it. Got a problem, don't get stopped. Heh that's what I was thinking. Don't get stopped for traffic violations and you won't have to worry about it. But all kidding aside, after reading the explanation of why ... this practice doesn't bother me. if anything i just wish it wasn't something they had to worry about in the first place. That isn't going to work. If they want to pull you over they'll find a reason. Plenty will make something up such as claiming you went over the line. I really don't care if they touch my car though. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:47:59 PM EDT
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I had a female officer do that to me when I got pulled over in PA with temp AZ tags (rolling stop). She was suspicious because of the odd plates, but after she verified it I got off with a warning.
ETA: People are really bothered by the practice? Of all the things to bitch about.... 
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:48:35 PM EDT
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Yeah, I got pulled over a few months ago and he put his hand on the left rear panel of my mini-van. I chuckled.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:53:12 PM EDT
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They taught us that in MP school in 1981. I can't believe someone would be upset about it. Why would it bother someone? Stupid. Depends on the Car and how much they have in a Custom Paint job........ Like another poster pointed out, I hung around people with custom cars & bikes.... You don't touch a Man's Car without permission...... 
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:54:22 PM EDT
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Stop, please. You just just make yourself look stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In before some nut says its illegal for cops to touch your car without a warrant Gr Actually, the recent GPS decision could affect this practice. IIRC, the ruling was if the government "trespasses" upon the vehicle then it's illegal.
Stop, please. You just just make yourself look stupid. I'm going to assume you haven't spent much time in court dealing with defense lawyers and suppression hearings. They can come up with some humdingers. Who are the judges? Former defense lawyers in some instances. Nor is it a terrible process to think things through once in a while. If the actual installation of a GPS tracker (not the tracking itself, the installation) without a warrant is illegal (see US v Jones 2012) then one could make a weak argument that "installation" of evidence upon a vehicle that was used later might be suppressed. Sure, it's weak but think of it this way, can you install an infrared beacon on a car during the same traffic stop? How about florescent powder? Touching the tail light has little to do with officer safety, its to track the culprit of a crime that hasn't occurred yet (therein lies the rub). Again, I admit it's a stretch, however the pendulum is swinging towards privacy over government interests. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot of cops do it. It was kind of a secret I thought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've heard this and been taught this, maybe 5% of the guys actually do it. They probably only do it out of habit. A lot of cops do it. It was kind of a secret I thought. Nothing is secret on the internet.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:57:42 PM EDT
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I'd never heard of it, and I have ten plus years in law enforcement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, it's really not. I've had cases break one way or another on a single finger print or less. It's common knowledge so the point is moot. I'd never heard of it, and I have ten plus years in law enforcement. Seriuosly, all you have to do is watch all the Police videos on tv with traffic stops...unless I am SERIOUSLY underestimating the observation skills of a lot of people, I picked up on the trunk touch at 12 or 13 yrs old( which was about 15 years ago)..[shrug] |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 3:57:45 PM EDT
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My brother is a cop and he mentioned it once. I noticed it once after I was pulled over for speeding. One of those huh moments.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:04:27 PM EDT
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3m paint protection film stops fingerprints 
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:04:53 PM EDT
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I get some shit from the new guys for doing it. My reason is to keep me sharp. Whether it is grandma in her minivan or a case o' thugs in a hooptie (sp), there is that brief moment before making contact where I touch the trunk and remind myself to stay frosty. It sounds cheesy as shit, but it works.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:11:20 PM EDT
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I'm going to assume you haven't spent much time in court dealing with defense lawyers and suppression hearings. 
Probably longer than you've been out of diapers. SCOTUS has almost 100% come down on the side of officer safety and if pushing down on the trunk to see if someone is in there(as has been the case many documented times) is the reason there is no way they ever rule against it. Besides you misread the rulings on the GPS cases. There is no expectation that a vehicle in public can't/won't be touched. Yeah, I've seen lawyers float some dumb long shot suppression requests.....and they usually get shot down just as quickly as the judge can stop rolling his eyes. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:11:31 PM EDT
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Unless I have a Bugatti Veyron, I don't care if they finger it.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:16:00 PM EDT
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I keep highly deadly neuro-toxins which absorb readily through the skin smeared all over the rear of my car.
Unfortunately, I have to reapply it after each rain. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:24:27 PM EDT
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If you have a dashcam, a MDT you've put the plate into, etc. ... then whether you smack a print on the trunk probably isn't going to be the deciding factor these days. Also, I don't really give a shit if a cop wants to stick his fingers on my trunk lid. Knock yourself out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cop killers have been caught because of that trick. They are also checking to be sure the trunk is closed, and someone isn't going to pop out behind them. Yes this is COPS 101. If you have a dashcam, a MDT you've put the plate into, etc. ... then whether you smack a print on the trunk probably isn't going to be the deciding factor these days. Also, I don't really give a shit if a cop wants to stick his fingers on my trunk lid. Knock yourself out. What is the house icon under your name? |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: has this ever happened? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Cop killers have been caught because of that trick. They are also checking to be sure the trunk is closed, and someone isn't going to pop out behind them. Yes, I recall reading about such incidents. I think its a rare thing, but it does happen. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do they wipe their fingerprints off afterwards if you don't kill 'em? |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:36:30 PM EDT
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I guess I don't get pulled over enough for it to bother me.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:45:35 PM EDT
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I've seen videos of K-9s scratching all over vehicles. I would have a problem with that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh noes! a cop touched your car! Really don't have a problem with this. I've seen videos of K-9s scratching all over vehicles. I would have a problem with that. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:52:25 PM EDT
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The 'Making sure hte trunk is closed group,'must not know that for the last decade, all trunks have had internal releases. They even have glow in the dark pull handles. Its for the children, would not want them getting locked in the trunk while playing tag. Yep... But some people's kid's still continue to play games. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:57:13 PM EDT
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I don't guess it's much of a problem. How bad could powdered sugar be for paint, anyways? 
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Posted: 11/24/2013 4:58:56 PM EDT
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I'm kinda surprised some dickhead hasn't reported his car stolen and made them dust for prints knowing who will show up. And they will check the logs and the dash cams and see who the driver was. And wouldn't the dickhead be surprised when he gets the letter from the DA asking to see him about the False Police Report?? |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:02:09 PM EDT
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My prints aren't in the system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm kinda surprised some dickhead hasn't reported his car stolen and made them dust for prints knowing who will show up. My prints aren't in the system. It's a good bet that if you are a policeman they are. See what he's suggesting, that after they find the stolen car, then a policeman will be a suspect. Of course said dickhead would need to figure out where to leave his car, or burn it up or something. Unless he thinks that getting pulled over by the police who think they are making a stop in a stolen car and then finding the RO driving that car would make for an entertaining few hours. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:02:33 PM EDT
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Taught in some Academies. You can always tell the new guys cause that actually do it. I've been doing it for 10 years now. When do I stop being a "new guy"? |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:03:25 PM EDT
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Depends on the Car and how much they have in a Custom Paint job........ Like another poster pointed out, I hung around people with custom cars & bikes.... You don't touch a Man's Car without permission...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They taught us that in MP school in 1981. I can't believe someone would be upset about it. Why would it bother someone? Stupid. Depends on the Car and how much they have in a Custom Paint job........ Like another poster pointed out, I hung around people with custom cars & bikes.... You don't touch a Man's Car without permission...... Real simple.. 1) Dont get stopped 2) Dnt drive the car on the road then |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:04:30 PM EDT
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That's the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. Yeah. I bet a lot of criminals ride around with an extra dude in the trunk with an AK just in case they get pulled over by the fuzz.
Or put a light coating of Vaseline on the light after you wash your car. 
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They are also checking to be sure the trunk is closed, and someone isn't going to pop out behind them. Yeah. I bet a lot of criminals ride around with an extra dude in the trunk with an AK just in case they get pulled over by the fuzz.
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While I love a god JBT thread is it really a good idea to be advertising this info? Seems like a small step to wipe down your tail lights after doing something unspeakable....
I watched a dash cam video in a training class of that very scenario, the officer involved didn't make it home that night. That video still haunts me to this day. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:05:07 PM EDT
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I mushroom stamp the trunk lid.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:10:28 PM EDT
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I always drive through the car wash after I murder a cop at a traffic stop in my POV, so no worries here.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:10:32 PM EDT
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I keep highly deadly neuro-toxins which absorb readily through the skin smeared all over the rear of my car. Unfortunately, I have to reapply it after each rain. Well now we know why the crawdads went away down at the crick. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:11:56 PM EDT
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Guess I'll have to start dragging my brown eye all over the bed of my truck. No big deal, I'll just add it to the list. You dont do that anyway? Wait til he finds out what our hands have touched. He wont want to wipe his browneye on it anymore... |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:15:49 PM EDT
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Wait til he finds out what our hands have touched. He wont want to wipe his browneye on it anymore... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Guess I'll have to start dragging my brown eye all over the bed of my truck. No big deal, I'll just add it to the list. You dont do that anyway? Wait til he finds out what our hands have touched. He wont want to wipe his browneye on it anymore... Mmmm, bare-handing a sweaty meth addict my favorite. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:17:57 PM EDT
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Wait til he finds out what our hands have touched. He wont want to wipe his browneye on it anymore... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Guess I'll have to start dragging my brown eye all over the bed of my truck. No big deal, I'll just add it to the list. You dont do that anyway? Wait til he finds out what our hands have touched. He wont want to wipe his browneye on it anymore... MDT, air modem.. but no box of tissues. It happens. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:18:51 PM EDT
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I wonder if my car would confuse the trick
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:20:32 PM EDT
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I don't guess it's much of a problem. How bad could powdered sugar be for paint, anyways?  . Got me too
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:21:29 PM EDT
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They also piss on the rear tire to establish dominance.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:23:31 PM EDT
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hmm didnt kbow that. if i get pulled over in the future and see them do that im goibg to get out and wipe off the spot they touched befire i take off just to make them curious.
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:24:18 PM EDT
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No, it's really not. I've had cases break one way or another on a single finger print or less. It's common knowledge so the point is moot. I'd never heard of it, and I have ten plus years in law enforcement. I've heard of it since I was a kid growing up in a LE family 10-20 years ago (when dashcams werent as ubiquitous as they are today it was probably more useful). However I know many folks that know about it too that didnt have such an upbringing. It's not a secret especially with the advent of the net. Google it and it comes up. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:25:13 PM EDT
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Seriuosly, all you have to do is watch all the Police videos on tv with traffic stops...unless I am SERIOUSLY underestimating the observation skills of a lot of people, I picked up on the trunk touch at 12 or 13 yrs old( which was about 15 years ago)..[shrug] Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No, it's really not. I've had cases break one way or another on a single finger print or less. It's common knowledge so the point is moot. I'd never heard of it, and I have ten plus years in law enforcement. Seriuosly, all you have to do is watch all the Police videos on tv with traffic stops...unless I am SERIOUSLY underestimating the observation skills of a lot of people, I picked up on the trunk touch at 12 or 13 yrs old( which was about 15 years ago)..[shrug] That does nothing anyway with newer cars the trunk can be latched there's a fucking glow in the dark release handle in there anyway. ETA: Someone beat me to it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:26:15 PM EDT
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hmm didnt kbow that. if i get pulled over in the future and see them do that im goibg to get out and wipe off the spot they touched befire i take off just to make them curious. I wouldn't suggest that. Drive away first. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:32:00 PM EDT
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I'm not new....I still do it. Well when I actually do traffic....which is almost never. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Taught in some Academies. You can always tell the new guys cause that actually do it. I'm not new....I still do it. Well when I actually do traffic....which is almost never. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:33:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been doing it for 10 years now. When do I stop being a "new guy"? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Taught in some Academies. You can always tell the new guys cause that actually do it. I've been doing it for 10 years now. When do I stop being a "new guy"? You took my comment as criticism when in truth it was more about the pitfalls of complacency. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:33:58 PM EDT
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Taught in some Academies. You can always tell the new guys cause that actually do it. I've been on for 18 years and still do it. I must be a new guy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:34:39 PM EDT
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They also piss on the rear tire to establish dominance. In addition to touching the trunk I also give them a little "boop" on the nose before cutting them loose. It's been well received so far. 
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:35:06 PM EDT
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I've been on for 18 years and still do it. I must be a new guy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Taught in some Academies. You can always tell the new guys cause that actually do it. I've been on for 18 years and still do it. I must be a new guy. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Noooooooob. |
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Posted: 11/24/2013 5:38:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In addition to touching the trunk I also give them a little "boop" on the nose before cutting them loose. It's been well received so far. http://i44.tinypic.com/szdc0i.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They also piss on the rear tire to establish dominance. In addition to touching the trunk I also give them a little "boop" on the nose before cutting them loose. It's been well received so far. http://i44.tinypic.com/szdc0i.jpg |
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