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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:09:03 AM EDT
[#1]
Fire can't melt Oswald..
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:09:48 AM EDT
[#2]
You bring up great points that I never thought of, however I believe Oswald was a Patsy in the whole ordeal. Both he and Ruby were expendable along with several others.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:12:34 AM EDT
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Oswald being the lone gunman was the best possible outcome in Kennedys Assasination. Not saying that killing Kennedy was a good thing. What I am saying is what actions would have to be taken in response to a Presidential Assasination
Lets say the Russians or Cubans did it. What would the United States response have to be? A lone gunman. Convicted and executed. done |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:13:29 AM EDT
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The building was the "right spot" because that's where he was. If he was somewhere else, the history books would read differently.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:14:59 AM EDT
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I think it went more like Oswald was working there and noticed the parade route went right by his building and thought, "Hey I have great vantage point to shoot that commie hating bastard. If I kill the President people will finally realize how important I am!"
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:19:33 AM EDT
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If there was a conspiracy behind the killing, the people must have been disappointed, because LBJ actually got more done than Kennedy and started a real war with commies. I've never been sure why somebody wanted Kennedy out of the picture when they got another guy just like him.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:21:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If there was a conspiracy behind the killing, the people must have been disappointed, because LBJ actually got more done than Kennedy and started a real war with commies. I've never been sure why somebody wanted Kennedy out of the picture when they got another guy just like him. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:21:49 AM EDT
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Oswald had no fingerprints.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:30:36 AM EDT
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Oswald had no fingerprints. Neither does my wife. She had a hell of a time getting her CHL. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:31:40 AM EDT
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According to the legends of the time, EVERYBODY LOVED THE KENNEDY's. Even the nuns where I went to school were convinced that God consulted the Kennedy's before he made all of His important decisions. Who would want to shoot such a universally loved individual?
By today's standards, his security was extremely lax. I still think it was a crime of opportunity. JFK was an extremely ill and usually heavily drugged individual. His cholesterol level was over 400 when he died. He lived with chronic severe back pain and yet given the level of drugs it took to control it, he could walk out to the podium like he was the healthiest individual in the country. Those closest to him could not figure out how he did it. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:42:33 AM EDT
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Was it just an accident that Oswald managed to be working in a building that overlooked Kennedy's motorcade route? Yes. How long had he worked at the schoolbook depository? IIRC about 5 weeks How far in advance had the motorcade route been published? A few days before it happened. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:47:37 AM EDT
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I just watched a frontline on pbs about him. The lady that helped him get a job there was helping his wife.
He noticed later the route published and took the chance. He had previously failed to assassinate a general. My conspiracy theory is CIA and LBJ wanted it done so they let it happen. Oswald was a useful idiot. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 6:48:25 AM EDT
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Oswald had no fingerprints. dp |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 7:39:29 AM EDT
[#14]
Oswald acted alone. He was a left-wing, political crackpot. He worked at the school book depository. Kennedy's route was well known to all of Dallas including Oswlad. He was a target of opportunity.
That's all there is to it. If there was more to it, there would be solid evidence. There isn't. Also, a conspiracy would be "the secret too big to keep." There are conspiracy theories because Kennedy's death had such far-reaching consequences. Some people benefitted. But to say they had a hand in it is to fall prey to a post hoc fallacy. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 8:55:47 AM EDT
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I think it went more like Oswald was working there and noticed the parade route went right by his building and thought, "Hey I have great vantage point to shoot that commie hating bastard. If I kill the President people will finally realize how important I am!" Oswald put some thought into the attempt on Walker. I think there's more to it than that. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 9:05:42 AM EDT
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I was around when all this went down and I do believe Oswald was the only shooter. But, I will always believe that LBJ somehow had a part in it. LBJ was the most corrupt President up until Obama!
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Posted: 11/20/2013 9:26:33 AM EDT
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I also believe that Oswald was the only shooter. What I was interested in was the timing of his being employed at the depository a little before the motorcade. Since the route wasn't published long before the event I can't figure how the conspiracy nuts can say that he was placed there with the intent of killing Kennedy. If Oswald had picked a random building to shoot from I might be swayed that someone had placed him there, but he fired from where he worked. I believe his outlook may have been influenced some- he was already a Marxist so it didn't take much, but I don't think he was urged or instructed to assassinate the president. I agree that he just saw an opportunity and took it. Maybe he thought it would give him more credibility to the Soviets?Cubans?Mafia/whoever if he shot Kennedy. It's just the timing of it all that's curious. The circumstances surrounding his employment and the publishing of the motorcade route seem to eliminate any possibility of a conspiracy. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 9:48:22 AM EDT
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Oswald could have acted alone it is possible. It is possible he was just a patsy. There is no doubt that Johnson gained the most from Kennedy’s death.
"The first rule of assassination: kill the assassins." — Star Trek VI |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 1:17:43 PM EDT
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Pfft, everyone knows the real assassin was a former SOG operative called Alex Mason. After getting captured during the Bay of Pigs he was sent to a Siberian gulag where he was brainwashed in the Soviet version of MKULTRA.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:04:18 PM EDT
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Oswald acted alone. He was a left-wing, political crackpot. He worked at the school book depository. Kennedy's route was well known to all of Dallas including Oswlad. He was a target of opportunity. That's all there is to it. Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. 
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:08:03 PM EDT
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Yes. IIRC about 5 weeks A few days before it happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Was it just an accident that Oswald managed to be working in a building that overlooked Kennedy's motorcade route? Yes. How long had he worked at the schoolbook depository? IIRC about 5 weeks How far in advance had the motorcade route been published? A few days before it happened. Of course to play devil's advocate, if you want to believe in a conspiracy it's not too many extra mental gymnastics to believe that the conspirators included someone who had influence over the route choice. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:09:12 PM EDT
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Oswald was really an Alien. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:10:35 PM EDT
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Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oswald acted alone. He was a left-wing, political crackpot. He worked at the school book depository. Kennedy's route was well known to all of Dallas including Oswlad. He was a target of opportunity. That's all there is to it. Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Don't be an idiot. The farthest shot was about 80 yards, and the car was moving at a walking pace. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:11:12 PM EDT
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Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oswald acted alone. He was a left-wing, political crackpot. He worked at the school book depository. Kennedy's route was well known to all of Dallas including Oswlad. He was a target of opportunity. That's all there is to it. Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Where are people getting this iron sight stuff? |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:14:53 PM EDT
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Rifle was scoped too.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:31:36 PM EDT
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Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Oswald failed to assassinate General Edwin Walker from 30m with that same rifle 6 mos earlier: "The Warren Commission concluded that on April 10, 1963, Oswald attempted to kill retired U.S. Major General Edwin Walker, firing his rifle at Walker through a window, from less than 100 feet (30 m) away, as Walker sat at a desk in his home; the bullet struck the window-frame and Walker's only injuries were bullet fragments to the forearm." |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:41:26 PM EDT
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People are really uncomfortable with the idea that the world can be so random that a fucking complete loser like Oswald and so inconsequential could kill the President of the United States. So they do this whole conspiracy crap to sort of make sense of a chaotic world.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:50:21 PM EDT
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"In 1963 Secret Service regulations governing escort security
for presidential motorcades provided that buildings along the motorcade route had to be inspected whenever the motorcade route was a standard one that had been used in the past. President Kennedy's Dallas motorcade route had been the standard route for motorcades for years; President Franklin D. Roosevelt, for example, had visited Dallas in 1936 and traversed the same route in a motorcade (although in the opposite direction). Nevertheless, on Nov. 22, 1963, when President Kennedy visited Dallas, the Secret Service's own guidelines were violated, and no inspection of the buildings along the motorcade route was made. Source: U. S. House of Representatives, House Select Committee on Assassinations, Investigation of the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, vol. 11, pp. 525-27 (1979)." More here; http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/jfk_10oddities.html |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:52:36 PM EDT
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Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oswald acted alone. He was a left-wing, political crackpot. He worked at the school book depository. Kennedy's route was well known to all of Dallas including Oswlad. He was a target of opportunity. That's all there is to it. Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Then explain Oswald's 200 yard moving target score card... Sawing someone barely scored high enough to stay a Marine is different then saying someone is just plain a bad shot. How is it that Oswald's superior also stated that Oswald would have been considered a very good shot when compared to a civilian? |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:56:08 PM EDT
[#30]
Extra points awarded for not calling it the Texas Book "Suppository" like the guy who posted the last thread.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 3:57:44 PM EDT
[#31]
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Oswald being the lone gunman was the best possible outcome in Kennedys Assasination. Not saying that killing Kennedy was a good thing. What I am saying is what actions would have to be taken in response to a Presidential Assasination Lets say the Russians or Cubans did it. What would the United States response have to be? A lone gunman. Convicted and executed. done Was he convicted before he was killed? |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:01:23 PM EDT
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Extra points awarded for not calling it the Texas Book "Suppository" like the guy who posted the last thread. Private Snowball was in the last thread? 
Edit: Snowball, not Snowflake. I should choke myself. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:03:09 PM EDT
[#33]
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People are really uncomfortable with the idea that the world can be so random that a fucking complete loser like Oswald and so inconsequential could kill the President of the United States. So they do this whole conspiracy crap to sort of make sense of a chaotic world. And some people want the narrative spoon fed to them like a bedtime story...all wrapped up with a pretty bow on top. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:07:32 PM EDT
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Oswald was really an Alien. LIES! He was a robot. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:08:27 PM EDT
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Where are people getting this iron sight stuff? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oswald acted alone. He was a left-wing, political crackpot. He worked at the school book depository. Kennedy's route was well known to all of Dallas including Oswlad. He was a target of opportunity. That's all there is to it. Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Where are people getting this iron sight stuff? And that Oswald "couldn't shoot worth a damn"? 
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:08:49 PM EDT
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Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oswald acted alone. He was a left-wing, political crackpot. He worked at the school book depository. Kennedy's route was well known to all of Dallas including Oswlad. He was a target of opportunity. That's all there is to it. Except he couldn't shoot worth a damn. He shot the lowest possible level in the Marines. Hitting a moving target with a POS eye-talian rifle with rudimentary iron sights? Puh-leeze................. I hope you are trying to be funny. Maybe my sarcasm meter needs tuning. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:10:44 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And some people want the narrative spoon fed to them like a bedtime story...all wrapped up with a pretty bow on top. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People are really uncomfortable with the idea that the world can be so random that a fucking complete loser like Oswald and so inconsequential could kill the President of the United States. So they do this whole conspiracy crap to sort of make sense of a chaotic world. And some people want the narrative spoon fed to them like a bedtime story...all wrapped up with a pretty bow on top. Yeah, but you conspiracy theorists won't put action to words. You just cry like babies about some kind conspiracy theory, and sit there on your asses.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:12:11 PM EDT
[#38]
Ok how did the police get him so fast?
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:13:00 PM EDT
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Yeah, but you conspiracy theorists won't put action to words. You just cry like babies about some kind conspiracy theory, and sit there on your asses. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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People are really uncomfortable with the idea that the world can be so random that a fucking complete loser like Oswald and so inconsequential could kill the President of the United States. So they do this whole conspiracy crap to sort of make sense of a chaotic world. And some people want the narrative spoon fed to them like a bedtime story...all wrapped up with a pretty bow on top. Yeah, but you conspiracy theorists won't put action to words. You just cry like babies about some kind conspiracy theory, and sit there on your asses. I think life is just too boring for the conspiracy theorists and they have some need to spice it up. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:14:23 PM EDT
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Ok how did the police get him so fast? Why are you bringing cows into this?!? |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:22:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it went more like Oswald was working there and noticed the parade route went right by his building and thought, "Hey I have great vantage point to shoot that commie hating bastard. If I kill the President people will finally realize how important I am!" Bingo. Read up on the things he did in the preceding months, mostly from the people that knew him (especially Marina) and this is the most likely and prudent conclusion. When you think about Oswald and get drunk on the "patsy" story line, the grounding rod should be Edwin Walker and then the threats on the FBI. He was practicing for doing something brash, violent, something that would make him the somebody he thought he should be. That whackjob mother of his was no small actor in shaping him to be this special kind of dipshit, too. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:23:33 PM EDT
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Yeah, but you conspiracy theorists won't put action to words. You just cry like babies about some kind conspiracy theory, and sit there on your asses. I'm not a tin foiler by nature, but I'm not going to accept a story that doesn't make sense either. Maybe its from being a parent, but if it sounds like bullshit it probably is. If you need your stories neat and tidy thats fine...believe whatever BS they feed you. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:26:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not a tin foiler by nature, but I'm not going to accept a story that doesn't make sense either. Maybe its from being a parent, but if it sounds like bullshit it probably is. If you need your stories neat and tidy thats fine...believe whatever BS they feed you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, but you conspiracy theorists won't put action to words. You just cry like babies about some kind conspiracy theory, and sit there on your asses. I'm not a tin foiler by nature, but I'm not going to accept a story that doesn't make sense either. Maybe its from being a parent, but if it sounds like bullshit it probably is. If you need your stories neat and tidy thats fine...believe whatever BS they feed you. Oswald being the only gunman is anything but neat and tidy. Neat and tidy is making up evidence or drawing up conclusions based on no supporting hard evidence to fit a desired conspiracy theory is what I would classify as a neat or tidy explanation.
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:30:25 PM EDT
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Fire can't melt Oswald.. you win the internet. 
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:32:35 PM EDT
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I think it went more like Oswald was working there and noticed the parade route went right by his building and thought, "Hey I have great vantage point to shoot that commie hating bastard. If I kill the President people will finally realize how important I am!" I'll go with this. Sometimes people are just idiots |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:40:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And some people want the narrative spoon fed to them like a bedtime story...all wrapped up with a pretty bow on top. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People are really uncomfortable with the idea that the world can be so random that a fucking complete loser like Oswald and so inconsequential could kill the President of the United States. So they do this whole conspiracy crap to sort of make sense of a chaotic world. And some people want the narrative spoon fed to them like a bedtime story...all wrapped up with a pretty bow on top. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:51:17 PM EDT
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Oswald being the only gunman is anything but neat and tidy. Neat and tidy is making up evidence or drawing up conclusions based on no supporting hard evidence to fit a desired conspiracy theory is what I would classify as a neat or tidy explanation. Neat and tidy is only using evidence that fits the narrative (lone nut). Evidence that didn't fit was ignored or destroyed. How did Oswald pull off the Kennedy assassination when he couldn't hit a stationary target at 30m with that same rifle just 6mos earlier? |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 4:59:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Neat and tidy is only using evidence that fits the narrative (lone nut). Evidence that didn't fit was ignored or destroyed. How did Oswald pull off the Kennedy assassination when he couldn't hit a stationary target at 30m with that same rifle just 6mos earlier? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oswald being the only gunman is anything but neat and tidy. Neat and tidy is making up evidence or drawing up conclusions based on no supporting hard evidence to fit a desired conspiracy theory is what I would classify as a neat or tidy explanation. Neat and tidy is only using evidence that fits the narrative (lone nut). Evidence that didn't fit was ignored or destroyed. How did Oswald pull off the Kennedy assassination when he couldn't hit a stationary target at 30m with that same rifle just 6mos earlier? Not all of his shots hit the president. And he did not get a kill shot until his final shot. The car was driving slowly and lined up extremely well for a shot from Oswald's vantage point. Not to mention, that when the bullet strikes the head, the head doesn't present much resistance for the bullet. The resulting tissue and brain that is ejected at the front of the head acts as a "jet". You know, physics that every school boy or girl should know. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So that is why JFK's head gets knocked back toward the direction of the shooter. |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 5:01:52 PM EDT
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According to the legends of the time, EVERYBODY LOVED THE KENNEDY's. Even the nuns where I went to school were convinced that God consulted the Kennedy's before he made all of His important decisions. Who would want to shoot such a universally loved individual? Jack Kennedy had charisma. He had sure been groomed by his old man and polished to a high shine. Everyone LOVED him and he had the MSM on his side. Had he lived his re-election would have likely created the most lopsided victory in history. The White House with JFK and Jackie was called Camelot. The public adored JFK and the women LOVED Jackie. Today if you walk into the homes of elderly blacks you will see 2 faded pictures on the wall. MLK and JFK. Truth is JFK tried to sidestep the civil rights movement.( It was LBJ that understood that signing the civil rights bill would insure the black vote for the next 200 years.) |
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Posted: 11/20/2013 5:03:21 PM EDT
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I was around when all this went down and I do believe Oswald was the only shooter. But, I will always believe that LBJ somehow had a part in it. LBJ was the most corrupt President up until Obama! I tend to agree with you. |
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