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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:45:40 PM EDT
It seems the dems knew all along how bad obamacare would be. So they want to destroy the middle class ? I see mass noncompliance. My family comes first.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:48:21 PM EDT
It's gonna destroy me, and I'm middle class... or used to be.
My healthcare costs are going up to $1400/mo with lots of deductibles that can total $10K or more.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:48:45 PM EDT
That was part of the plan. Beat us down until we can't sustain ourselves without the .gov handouts. Modern slavery.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:49:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The_Waabit:
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Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:50:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Skrutinizr:
It's gonna destroy me, and I'm middle class... or used to be.
My healthcare costs are going up to $1400/mo with lots of deductibles that can total $10K or more.
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$1400 or $140?
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:50:34 PM EDT
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Just one step in the process of subjugation.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:50:58 PM EDT
I think it was well on its way well before. The ACA is the coup d'état
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:51:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The_Waabit:
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Take our money.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:52:13 PM EDT
Nullification by Mass Civil Disobedience. If the masses do not buy in to it it will collapse.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 4:52:14 PM EDT
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of course they intended so. They have wanted to destroy the middle class for a long time.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:00:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By marshall18:




$1400 or $140?
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Originally Posted By marshall18:
Originally Posted By Skrutinizr:
It's gonna destroy me, and I'm middle class... or used to be.
My healthcare costs are going up to $1400/mo with lots of deductibles that can total $10K or more.




$1400 or $140?


Mine would have gone up nearly $800 for just me.

I'm out, will not comply. Fuck it, I'm fairly young and take decent care of myself. Plus I have a hell of a life insurance policy to take care of my son
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:01:41 PM EDT
Libs claim to care about the growing the middle class...but all they seem to care about is redistributing wealth.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:03:47 PM EDT
Barry loves it when a plan comes together..........
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:05:27 PM EDT
Yes. At least the ones on the lower rungs of the ladder. I had some wealth before. Even if it was in equity. Now my savings are low, I'm breaking even or slightly under water.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:06:34 PM EDT
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Take our money.
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Originally Posted By gene5:
Originally Posted By The_Waabit:
That was part of the plan. Beat us down until we can't sustain ourselves without the .gov handouts. Modern slavery.

Take our money.


Also your ability to think for yourself. Millions of mindless lemmings. The .gov way is best way.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:08:27 PM EDT
Welcome to the new wage slave class. Be proud commrade thanks to your hard work someone got to smoke meth and f@#$ all day.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:09:50 PM EDT
[Obama]Hopefully.[/Obama]
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:11:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The_Waabit:
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Yep. Socialist medicine has long been a goal of the left for a long time for one reason, to destroy the middle class. The middle class has been dying for a few decades, this is the spike through the heart.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:13:26 PM EDT
As long as we can provide taxes for their FSA spending, they will support growing the middle class................when we are no longer useful they would discard us like trash

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Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:14:36 PM EDT
Fuck you Obama Care

I Cannot Comply, it cost too damn much

FBHO
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:16:03 PM EDT
My insurance went up from $600 a month to $1700 a month.

I hate that Kenyan maggot piece of fetid shit more than I can express.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:16:56 PM EDT
Yes, but he has plenty of help. Fuck them all.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:18:00 PM EDT
Destroy? No, one more nail in the coffin into the long slide into mediocracy...yes.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:26:10 PM EDT
middle is getting fucked from both sides.

the banks played musical chairs with substandard loans and left many in the middle klass owning homes worth a good deal less than what they are really worth. where do you think that money went? not to the FSA. who do you think is happy with the endless pumping from the fed?

on the other side the liberal elites want to suck what is left from the middle to fund their politikal base. and push the middle down there with the beggar klass.

it aint just the libs. its much of what many consider the right supporting ekonomic mechanisms that fleece the middle to enrich the top.

and all along unkle sugar is passing more and more regs to make it more and more difficult for the little guy to start a biz that he can grow and prosper. because such small biz often poison the children and make life intolerable for the half-wits and retards that roam the fruited plain..

best advice? learn to game the system. its the only way to be sure.

Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:28:51 PM EDT
He is certainly trying.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:30:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Drsalee:
My insurance went up from $600 a month to $1700 a month.

I hate that Kenyan maggot piece of fetid shit more than I can express.
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That is what you went to dental school for. Now pay up. Lots of less fortunate folks need access to healthcare
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:32:17 PM EDT
My plan is getting canceled. I have a 1 year extension. I'm terrified.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:33:19 PM EDT
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My plan is getting canceled. I have a 1 year extension. I'm terrified.
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You should rest assured that your sacrifice will be appreciated by the FSA.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:33:59 PM EDT
what is all this commie nonsense about class?
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:35:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The_Waabit:
That was part of the plan. Beat us down until we can't sustain ourselves without the .gov handouts. Modern slavery.

..
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:36:10 PM EDT
I have a feeling this is not going to go down well
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:36:44 PM EDT
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Communists (aka democrats) main goal is destroy the middle class, vest all power in totalitarian .gov making them gods and of course destroy religion because if you look towards a higher power for guidance and authority that negates their power. You see this in everything they do since forever. From putting their hands on every business which causes jobs to flee to taking personnel liberties like how you raise your children or guns. HC is just latest step to seize control of you. They are truly evil.


What gets me is it same game they have played forever - promising some govt program to help middle class like FHA lans or students loans - wile destroying market for middle class sovereignty and wealth. I remember when middle class people could pay cash for a home because they were cheap. Now? LOL. Not to many. It's been financialized where you must take a loan. Students could pay for college easy with a part time job when i went. Today? Due to inflationary loan/grant schemes you chain yourself to debt for life. HC they are doing the same. You may have to give up equity in things you own to pay premiums.

People still gobble govt involvement up like candy despite how ruinous it is to them once followed through.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:37:13 PM EDT
yes
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:37:24 PM EDT
"Will?"
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:37:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:40:10 PM EDT
Yes, newxt question.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:40:49 PM EDT
done deal
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:41:46 PM EDT
Considering that the middle class voted this administration in....twice....I say the middle class is destroying itself.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:43:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1cheapshot:
Yes. At least the ones on the lower rungs of the ladder. I had some wealth before. Even if it was in equity. Now my savings are low, I'm breaking even or slightly under water.
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5 years ago I had 120k, today I can barely make bills and am 100k in debt not including home
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:48:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2013 5:48:22 PM EDT by jeh311]
everything for me has been going down hill since that socialist prick took office. i really cant afford obamacare, would be like taking out a second mortgage, one i cant afford. Fuck Obama and I will not comply with his healthcare deform.

I have been very active on getting this shit repealed, I am sure my congressman and senators are tired of hearing from me now.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 5:55:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MajorStumpDemon:
middle is getting fucked from both sides.

the banks played musical chairs with substandard loans and left many in the middle klass owning homes worth a good deal less than what they are really worth. where do you think that money went? not to the FSA. who do you think is happy with the endless pumping from the fed?

on the other side the liberal elites want to suck what is left from the middle to fund their politikal base. and push the middle down there with the beggar klass.

it aint just the libs. its much of what many consider the right supporting ekonomic mechanisms that fleece the middle to enrich the top.

and all along unkle sugar is passing more and more regs to make it more and more difficult for the little guy to start a biz that he can grow and prosper. because such small biz often poison the children and make life intolerable for the half-wits and retards that roam the fruited plain..

best advice? learn to game the system. its the only way to be sure.

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Both sides? LOL naw my friend it's the same side. Financialization of our economy is driven by democrats/banker compact to steal power from middle class. It's no accident banker give so much money to democrats and bankers are immune from prosecution.

It's a simple game they play since the 1970s. Exponential expansion of credit whether ability to pay or not. Both personal and governmental. Personal destorys supply and demand curves making everything cost more so savers can't buy without a loan (college houses etc) Governmental destroys savers dollars and value of uture purchases. This makes you dependent on govt run programs like FHA, vote for them, and destroyer of middle class wealth.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 6:06:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 6:21:45 PM EDT
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Damn sounds like fo time......at least for coffee.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 6:39:32 PM EDT
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Both sides? LOL naw my friend it's the same side. Financialization of our economy is driven by democrats/banker compact to steal power from middle class. It's no accident banker give so much money to democrats and bankers are immune from prosecution.

It's a simple game they play since the 1970s. Exponential expansion of credit whether ability to pay or not. Both personal and governmental. Personal destorys supply and demand curves making everything cost more so savers can't buy without a loan (college houses etc) Governmental destroys savers dollars and value of uture purchases. This makes you dependent on govt run programs like FHA, vote for them, and destroyer of middle class wealth.
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Originally Posted By MajorStumpDemon:
middle is getting fucked from both sides.

the banks played musical chairs with substandard loans and left many in the middle klass owning homes worth a good deal less than what they are really worth. where do you think that money went? not to the FSA. who do you think is happy with the endless pumping from the fed?

on the other side the liberal elites want to suck what is left from the middle to fund their politikal base. and push the middle down there with the beggar klass.

it aint just the libs. its much of what many consider the right supporting ekonomic mechanisms that fleece the middle to enrich the top.

and all along unkle sugar is passing more and more regs to make it more and more difficult for the little guy to start a biz that he can grow and prosper. because such small biz often poison the children and make life intolerable for the half-wits and retards that roam the fruited plain..

best advice? learn to game the system. its the only way to be sure.



Both sides? LOL naw my friend it's the same side. Financialization of our economy is driven by democrats/banker compact to steal power from middle class. It's no accident banker give so much money to democrats and bankers are immune from prosecution.

It's a simple game they play since the 1970s. Exponential expansion of credit whether ability to pay or not. Both personal and governmental. Personal destorys supply and demand curves making everything cost more so savers can't buy without a loan (college houses etc) Governmental destroys savers dollars and value of uture purchases. This makes you dependent on govt run programs like FHA, vote for them, and destroyer of middle class wealth.


otay.. housing crisis crested in 2008, at the end of bush's term and before obama was in office (now dont get me wrong, when i have a choice i vote republikan so i aint an obama voter/supporter). it crested because of many things, not least of all securitization of mortages which went like gang busters during bush's term. at a minimum, you would say the republikans paid no attention. a little more pessimism leads one to believe that the government knew about it and accepted it for what it was, one of the largest transfers of wealth ever to happen in this kountry.

now the dems werent in charge. at the beginning, bush had both houses of kongress too. and yet a lot of the problems that we have today peaked during his administration.

now comes obama, who with pelosi and the super majority rapes the middle for the other side to make things 'fair' and to buy off their voter base.

the way i see it the middle has been fucked by both sides. and equally so. though many of us tend to side with the right (or whatever they are) because at least they dont take from us to give to the beggars at the bottom, they take from us to enrich folks who have much of what we'd like to have.

it sucks though regardless. and before you sit down to play, you wanna know the house rules.... and understand that neither side is disinclined to take advantage of your weaknesses and lack of understanding of how the game is played.
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Originally Posted By MajorStumpDemon:
middle is getting fucked from both sides.

the banks played musical chairs with substandard loans and left many in the middle klass owning homes worth a good deal less than what they are really worth. where do you think that money went? not to the FSA. who do you think is happy with the endless pumping from the fed?
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BS...nobody was forced to buy a home and especially not a home that was more than they could afford or for more than it was worth. Much of that sub prime lending was forced by you know who.

You ARE being forced to buy health insurance, however.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 6:44:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By The_Waabit:
That was part of the plan. Beat us down until we can't sustain ourselves without the .gov handouts. Modern slavery.



Exactly. Historically, the Democrat party has always sided with slavery of one kind or another. Unfortunately, most Americans are fools, and can't figure it out.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 6:45:00 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/18/2013 6:47:22 PM EDT
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He certainly is fucking succeeding, too. Lost a huge chunk of our net worth in the last 5 years. What's left is getting shredded between the grindstones of taxation and inflation, plus the new one, 0bamacare.
Link Posted: 11/18/2013 6:51:00 PM EDT
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BS...nobody was forced to buy a home and especially not a home that was more than they could afford or for more than it was worth. Much of that sub prime lending was forced by you know who.
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Originally Posted By evo462:
Originally Posted By MajorStumpDemon:
middle is getting fucked from both sides.

the banks played musical chairs with substandard loans and left many in the middle klass owning homes worth a good deal less than what they are really worth. where do you think that money went? not to the FSA. who do you think is happy with the endless pumping from the fed?


BS...nobody was forced to buy a home and especially not a home that was more than they could afford or for more than it was worth. Much of that sub prime lending was forced by you know who.


HAR!

your sorta half right. the left did want the lower klasses to buy dem new homes. i outta know, i built a few of them and every single one of them was more expensive than my home and every single buyer had nothing close to my economic position. so yes, the banks were 'forced' (sorta) to make the loans.. but once forced, they learned how to play the game. thats what the mortgage securitizations were. and guess who got left holding the bag, and bailing out the banks, and the insurers who insured the banks and loans, and the big auto makers who were too big to fail? who owned the stocks and bonds in those companies.. the middle klass mostly. and guess what. if you lost from your savings, from your 401k. if you ended up buying a home that seemed to be worth more than it was did you do that because you were stupid or because you simply had your ekonomic resources invested in the wrong places?

sure. lots of folks ending up buying more than they could afford because the dems pushed through laws that made it possible. but once that door was open, lots of folks on the other side used the opportunity to enrich themselves. and got out before the whole thing collapsed.

blaming the left is half right. but knowing only half the story (and how things work) leaves you vulnerable to what comes next.....
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I refuse to pay $1000k or more a month for catastrophic health care. Fuck BHO we

are going to go without and take our chances.



Link Posted: 11/18/2013 7:00:35 PM EDT
Middle class has been under pressure for decades. Income distribution has been shifting right. The top 20 are making lots more. Look it up.

Also, the top 20 are becoming very different from the maj. Again, look it up.

Synopsis,

Attributes of the bottom 80;
You've been divorced.
You've had lots of sex w/ different people.
You've tried drugs.
You're unemployed, sporadically employed, or underemployed.
You play lots of video games.
You're not very charitable.
You're not very religious.

Attributes of the top 20;
You married once and stay married.
You haven't fucked around much or not at all.
No drugs, drinking in moderation.
You have a career that requires long term effort and self-discipline.
Your hobbies tend to be technical and again require planning and effort.
You volunteer time and money to charity.
You may or may not be religious but you do things that require sacrifice of your time and attention as if you are religious.

The top 20 have attributes that are commonly considered to have made the country great. The majority of us are losing those attributes.

This country is turning into something that will look like Mexico.

Unless there's a change that's where we're going. So say guys who study economics and demographics.



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