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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:06:10 PM
The mother of a friend of mine passed away last week. He's now in KY trying to get her estate settled and found a handgun in her things. He never knew she had one. Now he wants to know the best way to get it back home.

I don't think we need to get an FFL involved since it's an inheritance.

We talked about checking it in his luggage, but he's passing through Chicago and I'm not sure how retarded they are there about guns in luggage.

We also talked about him shipping it to himself via FedEx or UPS. I was wondering if he could send it to himself at the office where someone would be sure to receive it and hold it for him (no one would open the box on this side).

What would work best?

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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:07:16 PM
You'll probably need to go through an FFL.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:08:29 PM
Just check it.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:09:17 PM
Don't need FFL since it's an inheritance/estate. I think shipping (UPS) would work.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:09:18 PM
Just ship it to himself. Fuck bringing it through O'hare.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:11:44 PM
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:13:00 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Just ship it to himself. Fuck bringing it through O'hare.


This was my thought.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:13:08 PM
Declare it in checked bag unloaded. Only problem in Chicago is if it is a semi auto that holds more than 10 rounds
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:15:08 PM
Forgetting about estate issues and whether he can just legally walk away wit it-if he flies home through O"hare it won't matter unless something weird happens and he gets stuck overnight, then he has a problem where he cannot pick up the guncase from the airline. Honestly he would probably get away with it, what are the odds he will get stuck overnight.

I don't know about shipping it to himself, if he is the legal owner I assume he could
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:16:22 PM

I wouldn't risk taking it into IL.

Ship it by UPS to himself.

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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:19:32 PM
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:22:11 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spade:
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.



Bingo.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:22:17 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By woob44:
Just check it.



This. No worries in Chicago. I've flown through Chicago with checked pistols and an AR-15.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:24:39 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By Spade:
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.



Bingo.

Really? What happened to creditors claims periods?
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:31:56 PM
Ship it to yourself with signature confirmation.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:34:21 PM
Wait. Someone explain to me how the fuck you can ship pistols to yourself?

Thought it was long guns only?
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:35:04 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By Spade:
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.



Bingo.


True of course. I'll only add: he must use a "common carrier." In other words: DO NOT USE THE US POSTAL SERVICE!!!!!!!

Rather, Fed Ex or Brown will accept handguns - though their corporate policy usually dictates overnight. AND - the counter-monkies at Brown usually are CLUELESS about their own policies on shipping handguns. Expect to have to do some arguing/explaining/wrangling, etc.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:35:54 PM
I went through O'hare on my way to Indiana one time with several Glocks/regular cap mags in a checked case. No problem.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:36:26 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bteamleader:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By Spade:
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.



Bingo.

Really? What happened to creditors claims periods?


I don't think they'd apply to low value personal property. When my FIL passed away I helped my wife and BIL settle his estate. Personal property was doled out to the grandkids and family. I was given his pocket watch and an air pistol. The watch was worth about $300 and the air pistol was worth about $75. (I had the watch cleaned and polished and gave it to his grandson for a college graduation gift. I'm holding the air pistol for the same grandson.) There were a lot of other knick-knacks that were passed to folks in the family. The financial part of the estate (the house, investments and cash) took about a year to settle.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:37:19 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Wait. Someone explain to me how the fuck you can ship pistols to yourself?

Thought it was long guns only?



You put it in a box:

From:
your info here

To: Your info here to whatever address you will pick it up at.



You can even ship to yourself " in care of" someone else until you get there.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:38:05 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Wait. Someone explain to me how the fuck you can ship pistols to yourself?

Thought it was long guns only?

You can ship handguns through UPS or FedEx. Although their internal policy requires overnight.
FFLs are the only ones who can ship handguns through USPS.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:38:21 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spade:
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.



I had an interesting experience recently with FedEx. The hub in Memphis WOULD NOT allow me to ship a rifle OR handgun to myself unless it was broken down, incomplete and inoperable. I had to take everything home, disassemble and repackage before they would ship it, what a pain in the ass!
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:38:39 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By bjohnson425:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Wait. Someone explain to me how the fuck you can ship pistols to yourself?

Thought it was long guns only?



You put it in a box:

From:
your info here

[div style='text-align: center;']To: Your info here to whatever address you will pick it up at.

You can even ship to yourself " in care of" someone else until you get there.


That's not helpful. I know how to mail things.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By rcb1586:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Wait. Someone explain to me how the fuck you can ship pistols to yourself?

Thought it was long guns only?

You can ship handguns through UPS or FedEx. Although their internal policy requires overnight.
FFLs are the only ones who can ship handguns through USPS.


That is helpful. Had no idea and was told it wasn't legal. I've been flying with boxes full of pistols for no reason
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:39:45 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spade:
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By redoubt:
Originally Posted By bteamleader:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By Spade:
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.



Bingo.

Really? What happened to creditors claims periods?


I don't think they'd apply to low value personal property. When my FIL passed away I helped my wife and BIL settle his estate. Personal property was doled out to the grandkids and family. I was given his pocket watch and an air pistol. The watch was worth about $300 and the air pistol was worth about $75. (I had the watch cleaned and polished and gave it to his grandson for a college graduation gift. I'm holding the air pistol for the same grandson.) There were a lot of other knick-knacks that were passed to folks in the family. The financial part of the estate (the house, investments and cash) took about a year to settle.


My FIL died three years ago.

We're still settling the damn estate, but my wife got his guns right after the funeral.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:42:26 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By rcb1586:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Wait. Someone explain to me how the fuck you can ship pistols to yourself?

Thought it was long guns only?

You can ship handguns through UPS or FedEx. Although their internal policy requires overnight.
FFLs are the only ones who can ship handguns through USPS.


That is helpful. Had no idea and was told it wasn't legal. I've been flying with boxes full of pistols for no reason


Someone probably told you that because you can't use USPS as a non FFL. That would be illegal.

You can use UPS, Fed Ex, or any other carrier to ship handguns to yourself.

In the future always check into the laws yourself. There is many misconceptions among gun people.

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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:43:38 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Originally Posted By rcb1586:
Originally Posted By CrazyWhiteGuy:
Wait. Someone explain to me how the fuck you can ship pistols to yourself?

Thought it was long guns only?

You can ship handguns through UPS or FedEx. Although their internal policy requires overnight.
FFLs are the only ones who can ship handguns through USPS.


That is helpful. Had no idea and was told it wasn't legal. I've been flying with boxes full of pistols for no reason


From here

Q: May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 2:46:42 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By VT4meGunCtrlisAntiUS:
Originally Posted By Spade:
It became his handgun the instant she died. So he can ship it to himself.



I had an interesting experience recently with FedEx. The hub in Memphis WOULD NOT allow me to ship a rifle OR handgun to myself unless it was broken down, incomplete and inoperable. I had to take everything home, disassemble and repackage before they would ship it, what a pain in the ass!



The hub got it wrong. They usually do. Nevertheless, OP might have better luck shipping in 2 seperate packages (one with just the stripped frame).
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By VT4meGunCtrlisAntiUS:
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Q: May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.



Thank you. I'll let him know he can ship it to himself care of the office. I'll just put the box on his desk until he returns.
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<h6 style="margin: 0px 0px 5px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; font-family: 'Palatino Linotype', Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: inherit; letter-spacing: -0.05em; color: rgb(11, 32, 75); text-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service?</h6> <dd style="margin: 0px 1.5em 0.5em; padding: 0px 0px 0px 10px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 0.9em; font-style: italic; line-height: inherit; text-indent: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]

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Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
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A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 478.31 and 478.30]

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Q: May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?
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Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.

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IT says you must use FedEx or UPS to ship a handgun but you can ship it to yourself in another state.

TL;DR - UPS to YOURSELF.
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Just check it and fly. You'll need a TSA approved lock (a normal keyed PadLock works) and no, they won't let it get lost. If it does it becomes a BIG issue for the TSA since the Federales get involved.Ariba.