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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:27:20 AM EDT
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Wow, talk about lucky.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:27:26 AM EDT
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Parachutes > Body Armor
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:30:33 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:32:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:33:15 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Some pilots wear a chute. Some pilots don't. He chose wisely. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:34:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:35:23 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:35:24 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Same here. I thought "emergency parachutes" were made up movie shit. Good to know. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:38:48 AM EDT
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Happened right down the road from me and right over my sister-in-law's house. I was in the basement playing WOT and didn't hear a thing.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:38:50 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? Because he might need to jump? |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:39:05 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? Why not? Our pilot always wore one. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:40:43 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? Because he might need to jump? As opposed to all the other pilots that will never need to jump? |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:41:25 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Required by what? 91.307 doesn't require it and I didn't see anything in part 105 that did either. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:42:52 AM EDT
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The time I went skydiving (tandem) the pilot was wearing a chute.
I don't blame him... that was a rickety plane. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:46:00 AM EDT
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The time I went skydiving (tandem) the pilot was wearing a chute. I don't blame him... that was a rickety plane. yup, the answer I've heard many skydivers give for "why do you jump out of perfectly good airplanes?" has been words to the effect of "have you seen the planes we fly in? they aren't 'prefectly good'  "
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:47:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? This story isn't a good enough reason?  |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:49:12 AM EDT
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yup, the answer I've heard many skydivers give for "why do you jump out of perfectly good airplanes?" has been words to the effect of "have you seen the planes we fly in? they aren't 'prefectly good' "
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The time I went skydiving (tandem) the pilot was wearing a chute. I don't blame him... that was a rickety plane. yup, the answer I've heard many skydivers give for "why do you jump out of perfectly good airplanes?" has been words to the effect of "have you seen the planes we fly in? they aren't 'prefectly good' "
That's one way to motivate newbies. "The planes on fire. Bet you want to jump now, dontcha? That's right. Get the fuck out that door." |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:54:25 AM EDT
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This reminds me of a visit to an area sheriff's office decades ago when I worked in a cop shop. The sheriff told a story about a plane crash scene he worked a few weeks earlier. Two light planes had a mid-air and both crashed. In one plane the pilot was missing his head. In the other plane there was an extra head.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:56:16 AM EDT
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Required by what? 91.307 doesn't require it and I didn't see anything in part 105 that did either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Required by what? 91.307 doesn't require it and I didn't see anything in part 105 that did either. It could be a USPA rule. It also could have something to do with 1. The risk of a CG upset when everyone leaves the aircraft, possibly resulting in an unrecoverable condition or 2. Compliance with 91.307 (c) since my understanding is that jump aircraft tend to descend very rapidly and may use more than 60/30 degrees of bank/pitch in the process. Maybe someone that's flown jumpers will be along shortly. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:57:12 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? Its the law! |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:59:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? Why do you think? |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 7:59:50 AM EDT
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If I was flying any sort of single engine aircraft I'd always wear a chute no matter what.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:00:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why?  |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:00:57 AM EDT
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If I was flying any sort of single engine aircraft I'd always wear a chute no matter what. 
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:03:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here. I thought "emergency parachutes" were made up movie shit. Good to know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Same here. I thought "emergency parachutes" were made up movie shit. Good to know. His brother also a pilot laughed at him for wasting money , they were flying to somewhere down south and the engine quit, they had no clear landing , hundreds of acres of nothing but forest, he waiting until he saw a small clearing and pulled the flaps back to decrease his speed and pulled the chute, they floated to earth and didn't even break a wheel. The brother gave my buddy $1500.00 when they got home, he said he will never doubt his brother again. Cause of engine failure was a clogged fuel line in the Cessna |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:06:50 AM EDT
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As opposed to all the other pilots that will never need to jump? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? Because he might need to jump? As opposed to all the other pilots that will never need to jump? Have you seen some of these planes? |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:11:11 AM EDT
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The article calls it a "tandem jump" when it more likely a formation attempt.
Perhaps eight for the formation and a photo dude. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:17:23 AM EDT
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Required by what? 91.307 doesn't require it and I didn't see anything in part 105 that did either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Required by what? 91.307 doesn't require it and I didn't see anything in part 105 that did either. Generally, The Letter of Authorization from the local FAA FSDO allowing operation of the aircraft with the door open requires that the pilot wear one. ETA: If I can find it, I have LOA that I can scan and post.... |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:17:40 AM EDT
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Why couldn't the pilot if hitch a rid down with some one else?
Saw it in a video, "10 greatest jumps" |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:18:54 AM EDT
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You cannot go on any plane hauling jumpers without one even if you do not intend to jump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Untrue. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:19:11 AM EDT
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Best Jump Ever. Those guys got their money's worth.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:27:31 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? Its the law! I've got the FAR/AIM right in front of me. Go ahead and cite away. 
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:38:19 AM EDT
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Generally, The Letter of Authorization from the local FAA FSDO allowing operation of the aircraft with the door open requires that the pilot wear one. ETA: If I can find it, I have LOA that I can scan and post.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Required by what? 91.307 doesn't require it and I didn't see anything in part 105 that did either. Generally, The Letter of Authorization from the local FAA FSDO allowing operation of the aircraft with the door open requires that the pilot wear one. ETA: If I can find it, I have LOA that I can scan and post.... I've jumped and that was the explanation I got from the pilot. And yes, the plane we jumped out of was a rickety piece of shit. I figured I'd be at least a little bit scared on the first go but I ended up having zero stage fright whatsoever about bailing out of that plane. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:42:46 AM EDT
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That must be a bad feeling, when you realize your plane no longer has wings.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 8:57:46 AM EDT
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That must be a bad feeling, when you realize your plane no longer has wings. Kind of a Wile E. Coyote moment |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 9:06:44 AM EDT
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I can't understand why someone would jump out of a perfectly good airplane.
n/m
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Posted: 11/3/2013 9:15:42 AM EDT
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Every jump I have made, the pilots had no chutes.
I call BS on the pilot parachute thing. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 9:37:58 AM EDT
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Happened right down the road from me and right over my sister-in-law's house. I was in the basement playing WOT and didn't hear a thing. About 3 miles from me. 
Is it WI law? I was going to jump static line in Chippewa Falls a few years ago and I'm pretty sure the pilot had a chute there. They might have said if there's no door on the plane he has to have one. I pussed out, doing a superman hang off the wing strut before letting go isn't my thing. 
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Posted: 11/3/2013 9:44:43 AM EDT
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. I flew with a jump plane all day once.Neither I nor the pilot had one.In fact,the pilot said he didn't care if the wings fell off,he wouldn't jump. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 9:57:30 AM EDT
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My Buddy has one installed on his small plane, he paid around 3 K for it. His brother also a pilot laughed at him for wasting money , they were flying to somewhere down south and the engine quit, they had no clear landing , hundreds of acres of nothing but forest, he waiting until he saw a small clearing and pulled the flaps back to decrease his speed and pulled the chute, they floated to earth and didn't even break a wheel. The brother gave my buddy $1500.00 when they got home, he said he will never doubt his brother again. Cause of engine failure was a clogged fuel line in the Cessna Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Same here. I thought "emergency parachutes" were made up movie shit. Good to know. His brother also a pilot laughed at him for wasting money , they were flying to somewhere down south and the engine quit, they had no clear landing , hundreds of acres of nothing but forest, he waiting until he saw a small clearing and pulled the flaps back to decrease his speed and pulled the chute, they floated to earth and didn't even break a wheel. The brother gave my buddy $1500.00 when they got home, he said he will never doubt his brother again. Cause of engine failure was a clogged fuel line in the Cessna I thought they were more like 20 thousand dollars for even a 150 Cessna. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 10:00:47 AM EDT
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glad to hear everyone is OK
do you think that the fact that they were operating out of the "Bong" airport had anything to do with this? |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 10:06:09 AM EDT
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glad to hear everyone is OK do you think that the fact that they were operating out of the "Bong" airport had anything to do with this? Choke yourself. Richard Ira Bong is the leading fighter ace from WW2. 
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Posted: 11/3/2013 10:17:35 AM EDT
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picture of pilot
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Posted: 11/3/2013 10:18:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got the FAR/AIM right in front of me. Go ahead and cite away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Why? Its the law! I've got the FAR/AIM right in front of me. Go ahead and cite away. Maybe as somebody said, operating with the doors off. IIRC photography with doors off also requires a chute be worn. But that is from memory, and I'm getting very old. ETA Aircraft Modifications Common examples of aircraft modifications include:
http://www.faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/libview_normal.aspx?id=7721  |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 10:21:17 AM EDT
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If were the pilot of the planes I've jumped from I'd probably want a chute too
Feels like riding inside a tin can. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 10:38:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought they were more like 20 thousand dollars for even a 150 Cessna. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I didn't know the pilot would even have a chute available when hauling jumpers. Same here. I thought "emergency parachutes" were made up movie shit. Good to know. His brother also a pilot laughed at him for wasting money , they were flying to somewhere down south and the engine quit, they had no clear landing , hundreds of acres of nothing but forest, he waiting until he saw a small clearing and pulled the flaps back to decrease his speed and pulled the chute, they floated to earth and didn't even break a wheel. The brother gave my buddy $1500.00 when they got home, he said he will never doubt his brother again. Cause of engine failure was a clogged fuel line in the Cessna I thought they were more like 20 thousand dollars for even a 150 Cessna. He installed it himself too. These are todays prices so when he got it 3K sounds about right http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/ap/ballisticrecovery.html |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 10:57:14 AM EDT
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A 182 shouldn't be at 12k, especially loaded up with 4 or 5 jumpers. It loses all kinds of power around 10k. Loading 5 jumpers is just too much. I refused doing that when I flew for a dz.
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Posted: 11/3/2013 1:14:42 PM EDT
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A 182 shouldn't be at 12k, especially loaded up with 4 or 5 jumpers. It loses all kinds of power around 10k. Loading 5 jumpers is just too much. I refused doing that when I flew for a dz. We had a pilot refuse the same at a DZ I jumped at years ago. We had another pilot the next weekend.
One jump at another DZ, while riding to altitude a cloud layer moved in, out of nowhere. One minute no clouds, the next minute, cloud coverage everywhere at about 4k. Pilot said "I'm returning to the airport." I yelled "CUT!" and we all went. We landed about 2 miles from the DZ, but there was no way we were landing with that plane. |
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Posted: 11/3/2013 1:16:17 PM EDT
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This was a much cooler thread when I thought that the word after "fire" would be "ARs" or "shotguns."
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Posted: 11/3/2013 1:16:52 PM EDT
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glad to hear everyone is OK do you think that the fact that they were operating out of the "Bong" airport had anything to do with this? Choke yourself. Richard Ira Bong is the leading fighter ace from WW2. yes. I had read that, and it came to me after I posted. I apologize. |
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