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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:07:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:08:17 PM EDT
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Happens all the time.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:09:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:13:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Happens all the time. na not all the time. but i would say we are overdue for a plague. not that i want one but its more likely than anything else. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:14:45 PM EDT
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when I worked at the VA, they were preparing for a pandemic...secret stuff it was... |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:24:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i'm going to disregard your BS flag and trust the MD that posted right above you.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:29:56 PM EDT
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Nope, no BS, those bugs are out there.... |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:31:45 PM EDT
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Is MRSA a result of this?
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:32:18 PM EDT
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Democrats are trying to scare us into banning antibiotics because they love bugs.
 
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:33:55 PM EDT
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Nope, no BS, those bugs are out there.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, no BS, those bugs are out there.... Sometime ago there was a really smart guy who made a bet about us running out of minerals, metals, fresh waters, and food. Some stupid ass business guy told Mr. Smart that he was nuts, and Mr. Business said that prices would go down, and supplies would rise, and alternatives would be developed. Really smart guy thought he could make a mint off stupid business guy. Guess who won? As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:35:46 PM EDT
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na not all the time. but i would say we are overdue for a plague. not that i want one but its more likely than anything else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Happens all the time. na not all the time. but i would say we are overdue for a plague. not that i want one but its more likely than anything else. Actually, it's not uncommon for ICU patients to come down with stuff we simply have ZERO antibiotics to treat. Google VRE (Vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus). It's not a plague, or likely to become one, but it's a problem for debilitated ICU patients who already have enough stacked against them. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:36:45 PM EDT
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Well instead of investing in drugs that don't work, lets invest all of our research money into nanobots that can search and destroy the bacteria. Edit, which is probably less worse a side effect than the shit Cipro does to people. Then in 30 years we can worry about grey goo or in laymen's terms. Nanobot cancer.  |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:38:10 PM EDT
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I have a question...in the beginning in the age of antibiotics many moons ago; do you think that we would be on better ground if we medically segregated people against their will in a locked facility, until their round of Antibiotics was finished?
Seeing as the problem we have today with mutating bacteria--is that people are exposing the bacteria to the anti-biotics, then not finishing the pills---and helping them become more resistant, which can affect an entire population... Thoughts? 
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:38:20 PM EDT
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Every time I talk to a microbiologist I'm assured that things, though tough, are treatable. Having said that, we over prescribe and thus bring about the resistance proliferating in prokaryotic cells today. It's not doom and gloom yet.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:41:22 PM EDT
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How many died of "resistant" bugs?
How many died of MVAs? sorry, still old fashioned How many of malaria? Cigarettes? Beef? Bacon? |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:41:27 PM EDT
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So when is my stash of cipro and amoxicillin going to be totally useless?
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:42:32 PM EDT
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It's not bullshit, it's hormesis. Same way your muscle adapts to the stress of lifting weights, bacteria adapts to the stress of antibiotics.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:47:34 PM EDT
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Sometime ago there was a really smart guy who made a bet about us running out of minerals, metals, fresh waters, and food. Some stupid ass business guy told Mr. Smart that he was nuts, and Mr. Business said that prices would go down, and supplies would rise, and alternatives would be developed. Really smart guy thought he could make a mint off stupid business guy. Guess who won? As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, no BS, those bugs are out there.... Sometime ago there was a really smart guy who made a bet about us running out of minerals, metals, fresh waters, and food. Some stupid ass business guy told Mr. Smart that he was nuts, and Mr. Business said that prices would go down, and supplies would rise, and alternatives would be developed. Really smart guy thought he could make a mint off stupid business guy. Guess who won? As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. No, not really. Especially not available ones. The completely stupid over/improper use of antibiotics has us teetering on the edge of the late 1800's as far as treatability of "minor" infection goes. We fucked up, big. It isn't a matter of economics. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:48:18 PM EDT
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The use of anti-bacterial soap. will have been the single most stupid ideal we have ever come up with....
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:48:50 PM EDT
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There is some really, really nasty shit floating around out there.
In many cases, antibiotics only serve to select the strongest individual bacteria, and there aren't enough of them left to sustain the disease. The patient is cured ........... this time. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:50:21 PM EDT
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The use of anti-bacterial soap. will have been the single most stupid ideal we have ever come up with.... soap by nature is anti-bacterial... 
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:50:41 PM EDT
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The use of anti-bacterial soap. will have been the single most stupid ideal we have ever come up with.... Likely up there. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:52:27 PM EDT
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Sometime ago there was a really smart guy who made a bet about us running out of minerals, metals, fresh waters, and food. Some stupid ass business guy told Mr. Smart that he was nuts, and Mr. Business said that prices would go down, and supplies would rise, and alternatives would be developed. Really smart guy thought he could make a mint off stupid business guy. Guess who won? As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, no BS, those bugs are out there.... Sometime ago there was a really smart guy who made a bet about us running out of minerals, metals, fresh waters, and food. Some stupid ass business guy told Mr. Smart that he was nuts, and Mr. Business said that prices would go down, and supplies would rise, and alternatives would be developed. Really smart guy thought he could make a mint off stupid business guy. Guess who won? As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. Yep, and by the time the 'new' antibiotics hit the market there will be resistance to them too. Just check out the fluoroquinolones, which were touted to be the ultimate 'resistance proof' new antibiotic in the 90's. Guess what................. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:53:20 PM EDT
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Last time I talked to my Dr. and expressed my concerns about antibiotics he chuckled....there are about 100 different types out there
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:53:26 PM EDT
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soap by nature is anti-bacterial... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The use of anti-bacterial soap. will have been the single most stupid ideal we have ever come up with.... soap by nature is anti-bacterial... No, it's a surfactant. You don't wash bacteria away with antibiotics, you kill them. And now all the old standbys don't work so well anymore, because of dumbshits who insisted on antibiotics for a cold, antibiotic soap, not finishing a complete course, etc. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:54:02 PM EDT
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Not really bullshit. Bacteria have as many ways to defeat antibiotics as we have antibiotics. My supervisor had an advanced micro degree and worked all over the world. It's even worse in countries that just sell them over the counter. That's where the most resistant organisms start out.
We had a case where a person had a Kleb pneumo resistant to everything and just died. The infection control doctors were freaking out. They tried everything. We had to send the organism to CDC cause they study these things. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:54:13 PM EDT
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The use of anti-bacterial soap. will have been the single most stupid ideal we have ever come up with.... I heard that you have to have anti-bacterial soap on your hands for 2 minutes for it to actually kill bacteria. Otherwise it just works as an emulsifier like any other soap. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:54:23 PM EDT
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How many died of "resistant" bugs? How many died of MVAs? sorry, still old fashioned How many of malaria? Cigarettes? Beef? Bacon? You can't die from bacon;you can die without bacon. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is MRSA a result of this? |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometime ago there was a really smart guy who made a bet about us running out of minerals, metals, fresh waters, and food. Some stupid ass business guy told Mr. Smart that he was nuts, and Mr. Business said that prices would go down, and supplies would rise, and alternatives would be developed. Really smart guy thought he could make a mint off stupid business guy. Guess who won? As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, no BS, those bugs are out there.... Sometime ago there was a really smart guy who made a bet about us running out of minerals, metals, fresh waters, and food. Some stupid ass business guy told Mr. Smart that he was nuts, and Mr. Business said that prices would go down, and supplies would rise, and alternatives would be developed. Really smart guy thought he could make a mint off stupid business guy. Guess who won? As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. Bacteria can already defeat whatever is developed, it's just a matter of time. There are many mechanisms that enable this. There are gram negative bacteria that simply don't have any porins in the membrane, so antibiotics can't get in there to even see if there are other resistant mechanisms. There are different genes for the different mechanisms for resistance. Some enable the bacteria to produce carbapenumase, which would resist carbapenums. Usually by cleaving the active ring. We actually do genetic testing to determine mrsa and Cdiff toxin. The ability to detect other types will only increase. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:00:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time I talk to a microbiologist I'm assured that things, though tough, are treatable. Having said that, we over prescribe and thus bring about the resistance proliferating in prokaryotic cells today. It's not doom and gloom yet. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:00:41 PM EDT
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opps
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:00:48 PM EDT
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No, not really. ... the late 1800's as far as treatability of "minor" infection goes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. No, not really. ... the late 1800's as far as treatability of "minor" infection goes. Correct. Antibiotics alleviated much suffering, and enabled lots of unhygienic behavior. If antibiotic-immune bugs become common, we're in a world of hurt, the likes of which few people alive can remember. Debilitating afflictions of young and old will be common. Loss of children and wives related to child birth will be common again. Today's generation doesn't know what human suffering looks like. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:01:23 PM EDT
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MRSA is small potatoes compared to this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is MRSA a result of this? and MRSA kills more people than AIDS. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:01:55 PM EDT
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Last time I talked to my Dr. and expressed my concerns about antibiotics he chuckled....there are about 100 different types out there Let me know if he chuckles, when he comes face to face with one and tries to treat it with the '100 different types'..... |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So when is my stash of cipro and amoxicillin going to be totally useless? The source of the infection is important for determining what antibiotic is needed. For instance, you shouldn't use daptomycin for a respiratory infection because that area of the body produces an antisurficant for your lungs which enables dapto useless. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:03:41 PM EDT
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Bacteriophages are the next big treatment for bacterial infections?
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:04:29 PM EDT
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Actually, it's not uncommon for ICU patients to come down with stuff we simply have ZERO antibiotics to treat. Google VRE (Vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus). It's not a plague, or likely to become one, but it's a problem for debilitated ICU patients who already have enough stacked against them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Happens all the time. na not all the time. but i would say we are overdue for a plague. not that i want one but its more likely than anything else. Actually, it's not uncommon for ICU patients to come down with stuff we simply have ZERO antibiotics to treat. Google VRE (Vancomycin-resistant Enterococcus). It's not a plague, or likely to become one, but it's a problem for debilitated ICU patients who already have enough stacked against them. I just saw someone in the ICU the other day and nothing was touching their infection. It's crazy. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:05:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last time I talked to my Dr. and expressed my concerns about antibiotics he chuckled....there are about 100 different types out there |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:05:25 PM EDT
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Let me know if he chuckles, when he comes face to face with one and tries to treat it with the '100 different types'..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last time I talked to my Dr. and expressed my concerns about antibiotics he chuckled....there are about 100 different types out there Let me know if he chuckles, when he comes face to face with one and tries to treat it with the '100 different types'..... my concern was taking them for the same issue repeatedly...Sinus infections |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:07:03 PM EDT
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and MRSA kills more people than AIDS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is MRSA a result of this? and MRSA kills more people than AIDS. Are you quoting the 2005 CDC stats?..., if so ,that is just for the US, not worldwide. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: my concern was taking them for the same issue repeatedly...Sinus infections Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Last time I talked to my Dr. and expressed my concerns about antibiotics he chuckled....there are about 100 different types out there Let me know if he chuckles, when he comes face to face with one and tries to treat it with the '100 different types'..... my concern was taking them for the same issue repeatedly...Sinus infections |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:10:04 PM EDT
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Bacteriophages are the next big treatment for bacterial infections? Phages are quite a ways off yet. When and if they reach market you may not be able to afford them. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:10:55 PM EDT
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Humans have always died of bacteriological infections and always will. Evolution isn't just for primates.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:12:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. Antibiotics alleviated much suffering, and enabled lots of unhygienic behavior. If antibiotic-immune bugs become common, we're in a world of hurt, the likes of which few people alive can remember. Debilitating afflictions of young and old will be common. Loss of children and wives related to child birth will be common again. Today's generation doesn't know what human suffering looks like. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: As we speak new medicines are being developed and replacements for the modern antibodics are being developed. No, not really. ... the late 1800's as far as treatability of "minor" infection goes. Correct. Antibiotics alleviated much suffering, and enabled lots of unhygienic behavior. If antibiotic-immune bugs become common, we're in a world of hurt, the likes of which few people alive can remember. Debilitating afflictions of young and old will be common. Loss of children and wives related to child birth will be common again. Today's generation doesn't know what human suffering looks like. I make the calls to the floors when there is a resistant organism. I talk to the infectious disease doctors when they are trying to find something to work. I'm the one that sets up the added sensitivities to these orgs, I get to see the resistance in action. The infection control docs take this shit seriously. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:13:45 PM EDT
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Nope, no BS, those bugs are out there.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nope, no BS, those bugs are out there.... I'm currently in school to work in a medical testing laboratory. This isn't B.S. We currently have more incurable strains of pathogens out there than any time in history. The reason we aren't having pandemics left and right is that in this day and age we know what germs are and take precautions to prevent spread of infections. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:15:13 PM EDT
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my concern was taking them for the same issue repeatedly...Sinus infections Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last time I talked to my Dr. and expressed my concerns about antibiotics he chuckled....there are about 100 different types out there Let me know if he chuckles, when he comes face to face with one and tries to treat it with the '100 different types'..... my concern was taking them for the same issue repeatedly...Sinus infections I understand completely... You may not have a 'bacterial sinus infection' if it takes repeated antibiotic treatments. There is a lot of research going on in the area of sinus infections caused by molds and the residual effects due to the 'micro' environment they exist in. You may want to check with a immunologist/allergist to get more info. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:15:26 PM EDT
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Let me know if he chuckles, when he comes face to face with one and tries to treat it with the '100 different types'..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last time I talked to my Dr. and expressed my concerns about antibiotics he chuckled....there are about 100 different types out there Let me know if he chuckles, when he comes face to face with one and tries to treat it with the '100 different types'..... This. Being cavalier is sometimes known as .... stupid. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:16:44 PM EDT
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The beginning of micro-RNA therapy!!!
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Posted: 10/25/2013 7:17:01 PM EDT
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my concern was taking them for the same issue repeatedly...Sinus infections Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Last time I talked to my Dr. and expressed my concerns about antibiotics he chuckled....there are about 100 different types out there Let me know if he chuckles, when he comes face to face with one and tries to treat it with the '100 different types'..... my concern was taking them for the same issue repeatedly...Sinus infections This isn't Chicken Little stuff, it's real. Think of it like warfare. If we don't kill ALL of the enemy with whatever we have in our toolbox, the remaining ones will develop countermeasures. And at the same time all our methods of warfare are public domain. And as antibiotics were/are used, we've left a lot of the enemy alive every time. Now a bunch of them are so battle-hardened & aware of our methods of attack, they are essentially un-killable; but this isn't an arms race we have the tools to keep fighting. We only have so many ways we can go, and all of them are becoming less & less effective. It doesn't matter how much money there is to be made, or how much is thrown at the problem. It's a serious problem. |
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