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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:23:45 PM
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:25:25 PM
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:26:48 PM
I suggest a forever delay.

I would also accept the bill today if he agreed to shove the bill text up his ass.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:26:56 PM
Fuck delaying this shit. Abandon it.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:32:07 PM
The insurance companies have cancelled policies as of 12/31 for millions of Americans.

Obama's Exchanges were suppose to be ready, so people could purchase Obamacare-compliant policies, effective 1/01/14.
But the Exchanges aren't ready.

This is crazy.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:33:13 PM
class action lawsuit.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:34:10 PM
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class action lawsuit.

Against the .Gov? Nice fantasy.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:35:06 PM
so...why didn't he agree to a delay during the shutdown....
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:38:43 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
so...why didn't he agree to a delay during the shutdown....


Fucking this!!! Too bad the lamestream will tuck this under a stack of papers and continue to assault the GOP.

This should be the end of Dems, but sadly it won't
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:45:54 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
so...why didn't he agree to a delay during the shutdown....
Because the fucking press was busy blaming the shutdown on republicans.

When the republicans caved, it started becoming evident that no one any where could actually sign up for that fucking morons bull shit.


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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:47:45 PM
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:47:49 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
so...why didn't he agree to a delay during the shutdown....

No way he'd give the Republicans the satisfaction.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:48:43 PM
So here is my question, if it does somehow get delayed will all of our current policies still double or stay the same as they are now?
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:48:46 PM
Water boiling too quickly, frogs starting to notice. Better turn it up slower.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:51:24 PM
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Right, again, enough of this fucking delay bullshit.

My premiums have already doubled, so yes, that just means 10 more years of getting fucked by health insurance thanks to the ACA.

FUCKING VICTORY!!!!! 10 YEAR DELAY!!!!! FUCK YES!!!!! Hundreds of thousands of dollars more over 10 years by me! VICTORY IS OURS!!!!




And in before the fucking retards that say "if it's so bad let if fail". They lack more braincells than any handicapped liberal that voted for this pathetic excuse of a "law".
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:51:53 PM
Republicans fault, need more spending to fix it, distract with gun control, switch to single payer while Feinstein and schumer try to pass another awb
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:56:23 PM
NH Dim Sen. Shaheen was just saying it wasn't right to penalize people for not signing up given all the problems. When you have lackeys like her abandoning you, you need to do something.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 6:59:59 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Partisan:
Fuck delaying this shit. Abandon it.
The longer it's delayed, the easier to undo the shit if it gets repealed. I would love to see it shitcanned entirely, but I'll take delays now that'll make it easier to repeal when we have a realistic shot at passing such a bill, and getting it signed.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:01:21 PM
Doesn't matter, my insurance is already going to be higher next year than it was this year because of democrats.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:02:18 PM
Gee, did hell freeze over?
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:03:13 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Fury_58:
NH Dim Sen. Shaheen was just saying it wasn't right to penalize people for not signing up given all the problems. When you have lackeys like her abandoning you, you need to do something.


Is she up for re-election this cycle?
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:04:44 PM
I have a plan delay it tell the national debt is paid....
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:06:48 PM
I suppose they are beginning to put the numbers together and figuring out it's just not going to have enough funding with only welfare leaches enrolled?

Stay off their exchanges as long as you possibly can. The less healthy, employed, young, the sooner it will go away.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:11:41 PM
our government was intended to have a small federal government.

trying to get 300m people in 50 different states, each with their own processes and laws, on to a central ANYTHING is near impossible. shoddy at best.

unless you build something from scratch at the federal level like social security, you'll never reach your desired goal.

UNLESS, your desired goal is to crash a system, then this works perfectly fine.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:17:07 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By sirostac:
Originally Posted By Fury_58:
NH Dim Sen. Shaheen was just saying it wasn't right to penalize people for not signing up given all the problems. When you have lackeys like her abandoning you, you need to do something.


Is she up for re-election this cycle?
Yes. I think that probably had something to do with it too.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:19:11 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Moses_J:
So here is my question, if it does somehow get delayed will all of our current policies still double or stay the same as they are now?
double

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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:21:20 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Fury_58:
NH Dim Sen. Shaheen was just saying it wasn't right to penalize people for not signing up given all the problems. When you have lackeys like her abandoning you, you need to do something.


Which makes it all that much more disingenuous. She's up for reelection, she's just trying to save her job.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:21:50 PM
HA! I heard about this driving home from work today.

I'm guessin' the numbers (Polls) ain't looking too good just right now (Not that you'll ever HEAR that from "The media")
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:23:54 PM
The sorry bastards could not hammer this abortion through hard enough or fast enough and now they want quarter.
Bullshit...Let the chips fall as they may and let the public see what a joke this whole legislation was.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:25:23 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Craddock:
Doesn't matter, my insurance is already going to be higher next year than it was this year because of democrats.


While I agree with you, there is a 99% chance that it would have gone up regardless, probably by a lesser amount though.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:25:38 PM
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Water boiling too quickly, frogs starting to notice. Better turn it up slower.


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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:28:48 PM
I hope that this whole debacle sinks the democratic party so low that it never recovers.

I'm tired of all of these bleeeding heart types.

A pack of pissed off wolves (figurative) needs to be let loose on the American public for entertaining this nonsense in the first place.

Buncha thieves.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:29:08 PM
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:30:01 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Moses_J:
So here is my question, if it does somehow get delayed will all of our current policies still double or stay the same as they are now?



if the mandate is delayed, and the regulators would let us change rates because of it, they would go UP from the already higher rates you're seeing now. the mandate (as weak as it is) is intended to get people who might otherwise go uninsured (i.e. the healthy) to pay into the pool so that the average member's claim cost (which is directly related to the average premium) is lower.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:32:23 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By FreeFloater:
Originally Posted By Craddock:
Doesn't matter, my insurance is already going to be higher next year than it was this year because of democrats.


While I agree with you, there is a 99% chance that it would have gone up regardless, probably by a lesser amount though.



the mandate made rates lower than they would have been had everything except the mandate been kept.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:35:47 PM
Doesn't matter to me. BCBS already raised the rate 300.00/month and added a co-pay for my new affordable policy. Even if the ACA is repealed and abandoned the insurance companies will still charge the higher rates.

If zero wanted to lower insurance costs he would have shut down the lobbyists and allowed insurance companies to compete across state lines.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:36:42 PM
Lol, like they don't want to delay it. The best way to get what you want is to make your enemy think you don't want it.

The mandate is the only way any of it works. Without it, mooching assholes can just not buy insurance until they are bleeding out of their anus. Then they can get it, and cost us $2M.

So if you want to destroy the private insurance industry, by all means advocate delaying the mandate for 1 year or even more. It'll do a great job.

Then again, I'm for a sort of single payer coverage so go for it.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:37:27 PM
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:40:12 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By garbageman:
Doesn't matter to me. BCBS already raised the rate 300.00/month and added a co-pay for my new affordable policy. Even if the ACA is repealed and abandoned the insurance companies will still charge the higher rates.


Not true. Health insurance is a competitive business. Some company would lower rates to remove all the extra cost that was loaded in because of obamacare, and then they would win market share.


allowed insurance companies to compete across state lines.


people say this all the time, but it really wouldn't help all that much. where we need more competition is in the provider side. provider charges are the biggest driver of insurance prices.

Pick up that can.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:41:28 PM
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:41:38 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Kurg:
Lol, like they don't want to delay it. The best way to get what you want is to make your enemy think you don't want it.




The lefties were opposed to including a mandate from the start. They only included it because the forces that actually give a shit about the insurance industry surviving fought for it, because without it they would go tits up more quickly.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:43:36 PM
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Rubio is part of it.
From my understanding, it just says that you won't pay a fine for not signing up by 12:00pm 12/31/13. They are just delaying the deadline date. All else will be the same.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:45:31 PM
Fuck that shit.

Those filthy cocksuckers can eat a bag of dicks.

You want to be exempt fuckheads? Fine , no delays .

I would introduce a bill requiring Hussein and his family be required to sign up first. Him and the other commies don't sign up , neither does any other person

Fuck commies .

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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:47:01 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By shade_1313:
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Fuck delaying this shit. Abandon it.
The longer it's delayed, the easier to undo the shit if it gets repealed. I would love to see it shitcanned entirely, but I'll take delays now that'll make it easier to repeal when we have a realistic shot at passing such a bill, and getting it signed.


Exactly! Do you people really think it will just go away in one day? Is there anything that would make you happy?



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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By WVHunter1s1k:
Trey Gowdy is part of this. He is no RINO.
From my understanding, it just says that you won't pay a fine for not signing up by 12:00pm 12/31/13. They are just delaying the deadline date. All else will be the same.



the deadline isn't 12/31. it's 3/15/2014. You're free to go uninsured for the 3 months out of 2014. You only have to be covered for nine months in order to satisfy the mandate and avoid the penalty.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:48:34 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By WVHunter1s1k:
Trey Gowdy is part of this. He is no RINO.
From my understanding, it just says that you won't pay a fine for not signing up by 12:00pm 12/31/13. They are just delaying the deadline date. All else will be the same.

Uh, no.

The insurance companies have sent notices and dropped millions of people, effective 12/31. Mostly individual policies.
These people won't have insurance on January 1st.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:48:51 PM
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Douche of the highest order.

I was going to post 1st class douche!
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:50:54 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
Originally Posted By WVHunter1s1k:
Trey Gowdy is part of this. He is no RINO.
From my understanding, it just says that you won't pay a fine for not signing up by 12:00pm 12/31/13. They are just delaying the deadline date. All else will be the same.

Uh, no.

The insurance companies have sent notices and dropped millions of people, effective 12/31. Mostly individual policies.
These people won't have insurance on January 1st.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1547922_.html&page=1&anc=bottom#bottom


that's not true.

insurance companies can't just drop people. they can cancel policies but at the same time they must offer a replacement plan that may (and in most cases does) have different benefits and different rates.

the only ones flat out cancelling coverage are carriers who are getting out of the business and exiting the market.
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:51:01 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By RedDane:
I hope that this whole debacle sinks the democratic party so low that it never recovers.

I'm tired of all of these bleeeding heart types.

A pack of pissed off wolves (figurative) needs to be let loose on the American public for entertaining this nonsense in the first place.

Buncha thieves.

I agree
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Posted: 10/23/2013 7:52:21 PM
delay until after midterms.......I didnt understand why in the world repubs wanted delay to begin with
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