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For the sake of the place that you and I both live in, don't let this get to the police.
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Rofl, so even the really really really nice and expensive 1911s do shit like this?
And I get crap for carrying a glock. |
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I would count this as an AD. Mechanical failure of the fire arm under normal conditions. You didn't have your booger hook on the bang button View Quote I disagree. He took it out of the holster and put it in an object not designed to hold guns. Violates a couple rules: - Never cover with your muzzle anything you are not willing to destroy - Treat every weapon as if it were loaded Placing a gun in a butt gasket holder is not normal conditions. It's a painful lesson, but one that can be avoided. Do not blame this one on the gun. You have a lot that you can learn and pass on to others. |
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is it wrong to lol a little? they ran looking for you then found out you were 'that guy' who ND's on the toilet. Your day sucks man, sorry. maybe everyone will just laugh about it and move on. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ok, reaction from office: many people recognized it as a gun shot, many didn't, and some didn't hear it at all. some ran for the doors, others ran around (the two owners) to make sure everyone was ok, and most just sat in their desks without doing anything. the owners no I carry, and they actually were yelling for me and came looking for me, so that kinda made me feel good...they thought someone was shooting the place up and thought I would be there to help. when the thing went off I just sat there and thought "did that really happen"? little pieces of shrapnel are all over the bathroom, I have some little cuts on my right arm. is it wrong to lol a little? they ran looking for you then found out you were 'that guy' who ND's on the toilet. Your day sucks man, sorry. maybe everyone will just laugh about it and move on. they have, I am not in trouble at all, even the building owner has laughing about it when he was looking at the tile. |
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Hoping this doesn't cause your boss to change his mind about you carrying. How many "attaboys" you think you'll need to make up for this? View Quote If anything, it should change his mind about carrying a 1911 that does not have a firing pin block, or any gun without a firing pin block. |
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Not gonna read all the responses, so idk if it was covered; but, you're fuckin lucky.
ALWAYS place it between your legs, make like a hammock with your pants/underwear that points it down. Never set it on a surface it can fall from.. |
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Ive never disassembled my 1911 far enough to get to the safety. How does it pop out like this?
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I rost it at the picture of the char-grilled ass-gaskets....
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they have, I am not in trouble at all, even the building owner has laughing about it when he was looking at the tile. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ok, reaction from office: many people recognized it as a gun shot, many didn't, and some didn't hear it at all. some ran for the doors, others ran around (the two owners) to make sure everyone was ok, and most just sat in their desks without doing anything. the owners no I carry, and they actually were yelling for me and came looking for me, so that kinda made me feel good...they thought someone was shooting the place up and thought I would be there to help. when the thing went off I just sat there and thought "did that really happen"? little pieces of shrapnel are all over the bathroom, I have some little cuts on my right arm. is it wrong to lol a little? they ran looking for you then found out you were 'that guy' who ND's on the toilet. Your day sucks man, sorry. maybe everyone will just laugh about it and move on. they have, I am not in trouble at all, even the building owner has laughing about it when he was looking at the tile. you are freaking lucky. |
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I would call that an AD not an ND. I also would have left the gun in the holster
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Lucky that you work at a place with a cool outlook on firearms. Holy crap...
I work in a university. You can bet I'd be running like my ass was on fire... "Whoa man did you see the shooter! 9 ft tall black guy with dreadlocks...he ran thataway!!!" (I'm 5'11 white guy with short hair) |
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Off to look up if this can happen with springfield 1911's. I really wanted a LW champion operator.... but now....
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In for the 1911 hate. View Quote I do not hate 1911's as I have owned more that just a few over the years. That being said, this is why I would never carry a 1911 cocked an locked, I just never felt it was a safe way to carry one. I feel for the OP though. He was carrying a quality firearm that should not have failed but did. That is why you always need to think of the what if's in anything you do. |
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as others have said, if your gun has no firing pin block (which many custom and competition 1911's dont), this may have caused it.
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Ive never disassembled my 1911 far enough to get to the safety. How does it pop out like this? View Quote It's only really held in place by the detent plunger when it is on. With the safety off, you can't just pull it from the frame, but with it on, once you get past the detent it will just pull out. Varying amounts of effort are required to remove it, depending on the condition of the pistol. They won't just fall out on their own, but they don't take much effort to remove, either. |
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I hope the cops dont catch wind or the media. The Tribune would love to bash a ND of a CFP holder.
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I would call that an AD not an ND. I also would have left the gun in the holster View Quote my 1911 is heavy, and I have my m-tac make it ride high and canted all the way forward...so with my pants down it wont stay...the holster will flop over forward of my pants and without the tension of it against my body the gun would fall out anyway |
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Suck but not surprised when I saw it was a 1911. Glock was my first guess though. G/L
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In a 1911 that does not have a firing pin block that can happen if you drop the gun muzzle first onto a hard surface. A lot of people don't like the firing pin block because they feel that it adds to the trigger pull of the gun. I have 1911s with and without the firing pin block and I really can't tell a difference. Maybe put a stiffer firing pin spring on the gun.
Oh and don't be dropping your gun. |
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From the Wilson webpage:
The Firing Pin Return Spring should be replaced every 5,000 rounds. Our "extra power" spring will help reduce the risk of accidental discharge should the pistol be dropped without reducing reliable ignition. |
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IMHO this is an AD, not a ND. Thanks for posting this. I'm not a 1911 guy but my brother is, he'll want to know about this. I had no idea. Glad you are ok OP.
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The manual safety on my 1911 style pistols has a tab that engages the slot on the frame - which you can see in your picture - did that tab get sheared off on yours or did the whole lever get pushed to the side?
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I disagree. He took it out of the holster and put it in an object not designed to hold guns. Violates a couple rules: - Never cover with your muzzle anything you are not willing to destroy - Treat every weapon as if it were loaded Placing a gun in a butt gasket holder is not normal conditions. It's a painful lesson, but one that can be avoided. Do not blame this one on the gun. You have a lot that you can learn and pass on to others. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I would count this as an AD. Mechanical failure of the fire arm under normal conditions. You didn't have your booger hook on the bang button I disagree. He took it out of the holster and put it in an object not designed to hold guns. Violates a couple rules: - Never cover with your muzzle anything you are not willing to destroy - Treat every weapon as if it were loaded Placing a gun in a butt gasket holder is not normal conditions. It's a painful lesson, but one that can be avoided. Do not blame this one on the gun. You have a lot that you can learn and pass on to others. Still an AD in my book. You can preach 4 rules all you want but a gun that fires when all its safeties are engaged is mechanically defective. Mechanical Defect=AD. My guess is the FP spring is weak and needs replacement |
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Quoted: they have, I am not in trouble at all, even the building owner has laughing about it when he was looking at the tile. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ok, reaction from office: many people recognized it as a gun shot, many didn't, and some didn't hear it at all. some ran for the doors, others ran around (the two owners) to make sure everyone was ok, and most just sat in their desks without doing anything. the owners no I carry, and they actually were yelling for me and came looking for me, so that kinda made me feel good...they thought someone was shooting the place up and thought I would be there to help. when the thing went off I just sat there and thought "did that really happen"? little pieces of shrapnel are all over the bathroom, I have some little cuts on my right arm. is it wrong to lol a little? they ran looking for you then found out you were 'that guy' who ND's on the toilet. Your day sucks man, sorry. maybe everyone will just laugh about it and move on. they have, I am not in trouble at all, even the building owner has laughing about it when he was looking at the tile. |
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google 1911 drop test it's a common problem I'm surprised you've carried a 1911 for so long and DIDN'T know that the firing pin can slam forward when the gun is dropped. Ti firing pins mostly solve the issue. View Quote If the spring is present and in good shape it will not be a problem. |
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1911's for that slightly different kind of "k-boom".
I farted probably won't fly. |
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That safety looks like it is popped out of the frame (and for that reason not engaged). Is that the case? View Quote It most likely popped out when the gun fired and cycled. It could have been engaged when the gun fell, but after it fired that slide was coming back whether the TS liked it or not. |
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It's only really held in place by the detent plunger when it is on. With the safety off, you can't just pull it from the frame, but with it on, once you get past the detent it will just pull out. Varying amounts of effort are required to remove it, depending on the condition of the pistol. They won't just fall out on their own, but they don't take much effort to remove, either. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ive never disassembled my 1911 far enough to get to the safety. How does it pop out like this? It's only really held in place by the detent plunger when it is on. With the safety off, you can't just pull it from the frame, but with it on, once you get past the detent it will just pull out. Varying amounts of effort are required to remove it, depending on the condition of the pistol. They won't just fall out on their own, but they don't take much effort to remove, either. Doesn't the slide need to be off for this to happen? |
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Off to look up if this can happen with springfield 1911's. I really wanted a LW champion operator.... but now.... View Quote I carry a LWCO, I also have had the Ti firing pin in my hands. It's noticeably lighter than you would expect. Springer and Colt use a Ti pin and heavier return spring for just this reason. I looked at Nighthawks website and they list two different firing pins neither of which is stated to be Ti. I'm not saying it isn't, they just don't say that it is. They do say that they are the same pins used in NHC guns. I'd still trade a drop safety issue for an acute case of Glock leg any day. |
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No, he unholstered the gun when there was no need to do so. ND. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think that would qualify as an accidental discharge No, he unholstered the gun when there was no need to do so. ND. And stuck it in something it wasn't designed nor ever intended to hold. |
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first rUle of carrying.... never un holster while taking a s***
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they have, I am not in trouble at all, even the building owner has laughing about it when he was looking at the tile. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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ok, reaction from office: many people recognized it as a gun shot, many didn't, and some didn't hear it at all. some ran for the doors, others ran around (the two owners) to make sure everyone was ok, and most just sat in their desks without doing anything. the owners no I carry, and they actually were yelling for me and came looking for me, so that kinda made me feel good...they thought someone was shooting the place up and thought I would be there to help. when the thing went off I just sat there and thought "did that really happen"? little pieces of shrapnel are all over the bathroom, I have some little cuts on my right arm. is it wrong to lol a little? they ran looking for you then found out you were 'that guy' who ND's on the toilet. Your day sucks man, sorry. maybe everyone will just laugh about it and move on. they have, I am not in trouble at all, even the building owner has laughing about it when he was looking at the tile. Good to hear all is OK OP Ill still stick with my DA SIG though. Not a 1911 hater, just saying. |
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Be careful NOT removing a carry pistol when using the toilet - Most open type holsters will dump a pistol out on the floor when tension from your belt/body is released and holster is turned upside down, especially when pulling your britches back up.
Someone needs to dig up the 'ol underware hammock thread. |
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Quoted: my 1911 is heavy, and I have my m-tac make it ride high and canted all the way forward...so with my pants down it wont stay...the holster will flop over forward of my pants and without the tension of it against my body the gun would fall out anyway View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I would call that an AD not an ND. I also would have left the gun in the holster my 1911 is heavy, and I have my m-tac make it ride high and canted all the way forward...so with my pants down it wont stay...the holster will flop over forward of my pants and without the tension of it against my body the gun would fall out anyway I carry in a M-Tac. I take the whole holster off my belt while I shit. Clips are easy to work. Takes an extra 2 seconds and my firearm never clears leather.
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