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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:56:10 AM EDT
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The B-17 in the background is in the markings of 96th Bomb Group, 8th AF. And they look to be B-17F's due to no chin turret. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I cropped this one so you guys can see the plane better, granted its not the best quality. http://imageshack.us/a/img856/6922/syll.jpg if you open it in another window you can enlarge it a bit The B-17 in the background is in the markings of 96th Bomb Group, 8th AF. And they look to be B-17F's due to no chin turret. thanks for the info 
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:56:53 AM EDT
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Great pics, thanks for sharing them.
If you do decide to donate the pictures one place you may want to consider is Regis University's Center For The Study Of War Experience. They have an extensive collection and treat the veterans very well; not what you would expect from a university. Just as an aside, the Jeep appears to be a Ford built GPW. And, does anyone know what the "S" following the Jeep's number signifies? |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:59:40 AM EDT
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Very cool!! Thanks for sharing those with us.
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Posted: 10/17/2013 8:00:12 AM EDT
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Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 10/17/2013 8:00:13 AM EDT
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.... Just as an aside, the Jeep appears to be a Ford built GPW. ... And, does anyone know what the "S" following the Jeep's number signifies? radio / ignition noise suppression kit is installed/equipped its not part of the hood number what makes you think it's a Ford? outwardly, there are only a few ways to do so... The Ford logo stamped on the left rear (early models) crossmember under the radiator (Willys uses a tube (I know, I have a '44 MB) 
looking at bolt heads/part numbers stamped into parts you could also look at the engine block s/n the easiest way is to look at the data placard 
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Posted: 10/17/2013 8:03:10 AM EDT
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Second from left, bottom row is my father, crew co-pilot. 342nd Bomb Squadron, 97th Bomb Group, 15th AF. Shot down over Hungary 13 April, 1944 and became a POW.
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Posted: 10/17/2013 8:06:14 AM EDT
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I have no way to know or prove that he was in recon, I am only going off what his daughter (our friend) has told me. I know that he spoke very little about the war and none of his kids knew he was even in it until they found his photos.
he also had a collection of rifles, pistols, knives and medals that he brought back. When he killed himself his wife gave them all to the police. |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 8:55:14 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting!
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Posted: 10/17/2013 9:17:44 AM EDT
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Awesome post.
Very interesting. Love the Jeeps. |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 11:24:41 AM EDT
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too cool. Keep postin' 'em, please!
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Posted: 10/17/2013 2:36:05 PM EDT
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Damn!!! How long has FreefallE7 been in the Army?
Young FreefallE7 on the right? 
Old FreefallE7 
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Posted: 10/17/2013 2:59:07 PM EDT
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Great pics! They really tell a good story.
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Posted: 10/17/2013 3:09:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2013 3:11:04 PM EDT
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Thanks for sharing your pics.
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Posted: 10/17/2013 3:30:14 PM EDT
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Really cool. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:03:03 PM EDT
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"what makes you think it's a Ford?"
In the second picture of the Jeep you can see the front cross member; it looks like an inverted "U" to me (Ford), not the bent tube Willys used. Would the suppressed package mean it was a radio Jeep? |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:08:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:10:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My grandmothers brother's B-29 crew that was kamakazied over Kobe, Japan on March 17, 1945. Two crew members parachuted out, but had their heads lopped off by the Japanese sword.  He's in the middle of the back row. Lt. Robert Copeland, co-pilot, Lewiston, Idaho. http://<a href=http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx266/bonesarelli/image_zpse17ff526.jpg |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:14:15 PM EDT
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Z Square 8, "Mission to Albuquerque"
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:17:09 PM EDT
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Thanks
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:20:35 PM EDT
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Do you want to know the definition of a small world? My great uncle was on that same plane. He died in the crash. Radar operator Bob Cookson. Wow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My grandmothers brother's B-29 crew that was kamakazied over Kobe, Japan on March 17, 1945. Two crew members parachuted out, but had their heads lopped off by the Japanese sword.
He's in the middle of the back row. Lt. Robert Copeland, co-pilot, Lewiston, Idaho. http://<a href=http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx266/bonesarelli/image_zpse17ff526.jpg Now that's a helluva coincidence. Small f'in world. |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:25:27 PM EDT
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Love the pics.
All you smart mofos keep talking and describing the pics! Cool stuff. Love the history. |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that's a helluva coincidence. Small f'in world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My grandmothers brother's B-29 crew that was kamakazied over Kobe, Japan on March 17, 1945. Two crew members parachuted out, but had their heads lopped off by the Japanese sword. He's in the middle of the back row. Lt. Robert Copeland, co-pilot, Lewiston, Idaho. http://<a href=http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx266/bonesarelli/image_zpse17ff526.jpg Now that's a helluva coincidence. Small f'in world. "Uncle Bob" is Radar Operator Bob Cookson: "Here is what we know of what happened next to the crew: According to American internees in the Hobe Hyogo Ken POW camp #14, and W.O.Kuniyoshi Hasegawa, a ground crewman at a Japanese base, they saw a stream of light like a shooting star strike a B-29 that was illuminated by two search lights, and a moment later a fireball, when the "Tony" fighter plane of Capt. Junichi Ogata impacted Uncle Bob's plane. Reports state that there were over 300 enemy fighter attacks against the B-29s on this raid. No reports state, and it is not believed, that Capt. Ogata purposely rammed our uncle's plane. Capt. Ogata was an excellent pilot, having downed eight American bombers in Burma, four more over Japan, and damaged five in his home defense air combat. Capt. Ogata's fighter struck our uncle's plane on the right side just ahead of SSgt Holley's gun position and directly behind the right wing, severing the B-29 into two pieces. It appears the wings also separated from the fuselage. The tail section of the plane fell to the ground relatively in tact with the bodies of Barry, Cookson, Cutler, Holley, and Wray huddled together when found about one-half mile East of the POW camp. All were deceased. We do not know whether they were killed instantly by the impact with the Ogata aircraft, or when the tail section crashed to the ground. Fitzgerald, Copeland, Bond, and Brousek, were believed to be ejected by the force of the impact and explosion with the Ogata aircraft from the front pressurized compartment of the B-29, and were found separately on the ground. All were deceased. Navigator Lt. Nelson and Radio Operator SSgt Augunas, who sat across from each other in the rear of the forward pressurized compartment, were somehow thrown clear of their aircraft after the impact, and parachuted to the ground. They were quickly captured and imprisoned until 18 July 1945. On that date, in a two hour farce the Japanese called a "trial" they were convicted of "war crimes" and murdered by the Japanese. The Japanese claimed that Nelson and Augunas were not POWs, but war criminals, because according to the Japanese representatives they had carried out indiscriminate bombings against Japanese civilians. That is what we know of Uncle Bob and his crew mates on "Mission to Albuquerque". We will not try to speculate on what may have been. Or why this happened. We can only continue to honor them for a job well done. They deserve more..." |
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:30:37 PM EDT
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Tag for later
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Posted: 10/17/2013 7:40:29 PM EDT
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Amazing thanks!
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Posted: 10/21/2013 3:50:43 PM EDT
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I should have time tomorrow to scan a few more in. I found a stack of 8x10 glossy prints, all of which have text written on the back that almost seem as official army notes, I'll scan those as well.
I know for a fact that some of the 8x10s were not taken by the father of my friend, but they are somber to look at none the less |
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Posted: 10/21/2013 8:32:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMosquito? At first I was thinking an A-20 Havoc, but looking at the body from the front, it doesn't look like the right shape. Ciraxis, has his family sent away for his service records from the National Personnel Records Center? The fire in 1973 destroyed 80% of Army records pre-1960, but his might have been one of the lucky ones that survived. That would help them know more about when, where, and in what units he served with. |
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Posted: 10/21/2013 8:35:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: hosted on imageshack. I can maybe switch them over to arfcomQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Very cool  None of which viewable on government computers.... Whatever site they were hosted on must have been deemed to be too interesting. Tagged for home. hosted on imageshack. I can maybe switch them over to arfcomWhy don't you use the ar15.com photo server, you paid for it with the platinum membership
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Posted: 10/21/2013 8:38:21 PM EDT
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http://imageshack.us/a/img33/2524/tb7e.jpg Holy Cow! I had no idea they had rednecks in France. Look at the sign for Nice its shot to shit! Very same thing I thought! was probably our guys Yep, even back then it shows that we can't have Nice things |
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Posted: 10/21/2013 8:38:37 PM EDT
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Ost
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Posted: 10/21/2013 8:47:04 PM EDT
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Thank you all for posting the WWII photos.
What strikes me about WWII and and WWI is how young, for the most part, the men look, despite being men who had seen the hell of combat. Compared to Korea until now those guys look much younger. Guess it was a different time? |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 8:44:34 AM EDT
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Here are the 8x10s that were with his negatives. I do not believe that he took these photos, in fact I know he didn't take a few of them. One of these is a very famous photo, the author elie wiesel is in the one photo of the bunks at Buchenwald.
I've also scanned the text that was on the back of each photo. The text will follow each photo. Some of these are Graphic You should be able to click on or open each in a new tab/window to view larger. 
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Posted: 10/22/2013 8:48:55 AM EDT
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Mosquito? At first I was thinking an A-20 Havoc, but looking at the body from the front, it doesn't look like the right shape. Ciraxis, has his family sent away for his service records from the National Personnel Records Center? The fire in 1973 destroyed 80% of Army records pre-1960, but his might have been one of the lucky ones that survived. That would help them know more about when, where, and in what units he served with. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mosquito? At first I was thinking an A-20 Havoc, but looking at the body from the front, it doesn't look like the right shape. Ciraxis, has his family sent away for his service records from the National Personnel Records Center? The fire in 1973 destroyed 80% of Army records pre-1960, but his might have been one of the lucky ones that survived. That would help them know more about when, where, and in what units he served with. The fat chin makes me suspect a Bristol Beaufort. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 8:53:57 AM EDT
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The SS guys in the Malmedy Massacare photo got a taste of some "GI justice" it seems.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 8:54:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here are the 8x10s that were with his negatives. I do not believe that he took these photos, in fact I know he didn't take a few of them. One of these is a very famous photo, the author elie wiesel is in the one photo of the bunks at Buchenwald. I've also scanned the text that was on the back of each photo. The text will follow each photo. Some of these are Graphic You should be able to click on or open each in a new tab/window to view larger. http://imageshack.us/a/img18/2664/ym64.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img200/2552/la7x.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img189/3668/1sor.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img21/193/6xg5.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img585/2874/m33t.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img577/4553/0s27.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img855/7533/1bra.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img51/2467/kocd.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img9/7836/pzv2.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img202/7760/rjki.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img23/4193/6vld.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img543/2884/ct91.jpg |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 9:08:26 AM EDT
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The SS guys in the Malmedy Massacare photo got a taste of some "GI justice" it seems. good |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 9:13:39 AM EDT
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In that lineup of the SS troops from Malmedy, it sure looks to me like the two guys in the middle were still looking for a fight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here are the 8x10s that were with his negatives. I do not believe that he took these photos, in fact I know he didn't take a few of them. One of these is a very famous photo, the author elie wiesel is in the one photo of the bunks at Buchenwald. I've also scanned the text that was on the back of each photo. The text will follow each photo. Some of these are Graphic You should be able to click on or open each in a new tab/window to view larger. http://imageshack.us/a/img18/2664/ym64.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img200/2552/la7x.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img189/3668/1sor.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img21/193/6xg5.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img585/2874/m33t.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img577/4553/0s27.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img855/7533/1bra.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img51/2467/kocd.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img9/7836/pzv2.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img202/7760/rjki.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img23/4193/6vld.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img543/2884/ct91.jpg I noticed that too. Hard mothers, for sure. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 9:47:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://imageshack.us/a/img33/2524/tb7e.jpg Holy Cow! I had no idea they had rednecks in France. Look at the sign for Nice its shot to shit! Hold my Bordeaux and watch this............ |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 9:52:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn!!! How long has FreefallE7 been in the Army? Young FreefallE7 on the right? http://imageshack.us/a/img842/9555/k3h8.jpg Old FreefallE7 http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL965/4056977/23984833/406143448.jpg Free = Wolverine!
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Posted: 10/22/2013 10:03:18 AM EDT
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Hold my Bordeaux and watch this............
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http://imageshack.us/a/img33/2524/tb7e.jpg Holy Cow! I had no idea they had rednecks in France. Look at the sign for Nice its shot to shit! Hold my Bordeaux and watch this............
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Posted: 10/22/2013 10:21:16 AM EDT
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The SS guys in the Malmedy Massacare photo got a taste of some "GI justice" it seems. good Read the text below the picture. Wehrmacht soldiers beat up the SS goons. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 11:57:17 AM EDT
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It's kind of hard to imagine the sense of absolute desolation these people must have felt as their defeat became more and more real. They also must have expected to be punished pretty severely, to commit suicide like that. Germany was a completely exhausted, defeated nation by the end of the war. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:02:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn!!! How long has FreefallE7 been in the Army? Young FreefallE7 on the right? http://imageshack.us/a/img842/9555/k3h8.jpg Old FreefallE7 http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL965/4056977/23984833/406143448.jpg |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:10:50 PM EDT
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These are pretty cool pictures. WW2 threads are great.
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:16:27 PM EDT
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http://imageshack.us/a/img23/4193/6vld.jpg It's kind of hard to imagine the sense of absolute desolation these people must have felt as their defeat became more and more real. They also must have expected to be punished pretty severely, to commit suicide like that. Germany was a completely exhausted, defeated nation by the end of the war. The Russian's were coming, and the nicest thing they did was send you to a gulag. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:18:17 PM EDT
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It's a good thing there isn't one giant online repository of all these pictures from WW2, especially those of the European theater and that I don't have access to it.
I wouldn't get a damned thing done for months. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russian's were coming, and the nicest thing they did was send you to a gulag. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://imageshack.us/a/img23/4193/6vld.jpg It's kind of hard to imagine the sense of absolute desolation these people must have felt as their defeat became more and more real. They also must have expected to be punished pretty severely, to commit suicide like that. Germany was a completely exhausted, defeated nation by the end of the war. The Russian's were coming, and the nicest thing they did was send you to a gulag. |
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:45:41 PM EDT
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The 18 year old wouldn't have made it to the gulag. Mom probably wouldn't either. Shoot, they might even have a go at Dad just for fun. Or maybe just let him watch for a few days before they killed him. The Russians were seriously pissed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://imageshack.us/a/img23/4193/6vld.jpg It's kind of hard to imagine the sense of absolute desolation these people must have felt as their defeat became more and more real. They also must have expected to be punished pretty severely, to commit suicide like that. Germany was a completely exhausted, defeated nation by the end of the war. The Russian's were coming, and the nicest thing they did was send you to a gulag. Yeah, most girls age 8 to 88 were raped by the incoming Russians. Many were gang-raped. 
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Posted: 10/22/2013 12:47:03 PM EDT
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Thank you for posting these pics.
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