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Posted: 10/16/2013 12:23:36 PM EDT
High Schools, Football Association, Principals agree to use other police agencies after fiasco.

After two of its members were arrested for public intimidation during a football game Friday night, the Greater New Orleans Football Officials Association sent word to two St. Tammany Parish schools on Tuesday, saying the organization would not provide officials for those schools’ home football games if security details were staffed by Covington Police Department officers.
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Both schools, Allemore said, agreed to the GNOFOA’s request to use alternative police details in future home football games.
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St. Paul’s and Covington High (the only parish schools who employ CPD officers for security details,) had agreed to use deputies from the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Office instead.
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During the call from GNOFOA President Eddie Allemore, St. Paul’s Athletic Director Craig Ketelsen said he was asked that his school “look for alternative details for our games,” and also that no Covington officers work on the field or inside the stadium during future home games.
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Covington Police Chief Tim Lentz: I hope the entire police department will not be painted with broad brush strokes for the alleged actions of one officer. I do hope that (the officials association) will reconsider.”
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http://theadvocate.com/home/7335308-125/meeting-set-on-referee-case
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I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to find other referees who can focus on the game on the field instead of whether or not the security's doing it's job or not.
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IBTL?
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When "security" is a Covington cop with a kid on a rival team, that arrests officials when his kid's team is losing, it's probably not the refs that are a problem.
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When "security" is a Covington cop with a kid on a rival team, that arrests officials when his kid's team is losing, it's probably not the refs that are a problem.
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Seriously?  I didn't get a chance to read the other thread, but were the officers really the ones at fault?
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When "security" is a Covington cop with a kid on a rival team, that arrests officials when his kid's team is losing, it's probably not the refs that are a problem.




Seriously?  I didn't get a chance to read the other thread, but were the officers really the ones at fault?


The officer in question brought friends down to a section of the field normally off-limits to spectators, they were interfering with the chain crew, and he refused to move them away when the refs directed it, then had the refs arrested.  From what was posted in the other thread, the rules that the schools agree to (and they're the ones who hired the off-duty police as security) are that the refs have full control of the stadium starting thirty minutes prior to game time.  



 
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lol, somebody alert OLY-M4Gery and krpind!



Time for round 2, since the pit thread isn't going anyplace.

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The officer in question brought friends down to a section of the field normally off-limits to spectators, they were interfering with the chain crew, and he refused to move them away when the refs directed it, then had the refs arrested.  From what was posted in the other thread, the rules that the schools agree to (and they're the ones who hired the off-duty police as security) are that the refs have full control of the stadium starting thirty minutes prior to game time.  
 
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Seriously?  I didn't get a chance to read the other thread, but were the officers really the ones at fault?

The officer in question brought friends down to a section of the field normally off-limits to spectators, they were interfering with the chain crew, and he refused to move them away when the refs directed it, then had the refs arrested.  From what was posted in the other thread, the rules that the schools agree to (and they're the ones who hired the off-duty police as security) are that the refs have full control of the stadium starting thirty minutes prior to game time.  
 


Why am I not surprised to learn any of this?
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 3:57:53 AM EDT
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Covington Police Told To Stay Away From Referees

Our Sports Director Ed Daniels says the charges will be dropped against two referees arrested while officiating a high school football game.
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http://wgno.com/2013/10/16/covington-police-told-to-stay-away-from-referees/
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Good.
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Our Sports Director Ed Daniels says the charges will be dropped against two referees arrested while officiating a high school football game.


http://wgno.com/2013/10/16/covington-police-told-to-stay-away-from-referees/


Figured that would happen.


Yep, sounds like everyone had some blame in that one. Everyone wants to see who can pee higher on the tree.
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Yep, sounds like everyone had some blame in that one. Everyone wants to see who can pee higher on the tree.
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Our Sports Director Ed Daniels says the charges will be dropped against two referees arrested while officiating a high school football game.


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Figured that would happen.


Yep, sounds like everyone had some blame in that one. Everyone wants to see who can pee higher on the tree.


Nope.  Its cops giving a fuck when its not there turn to give a fuck.    Cop just had to be a dick and flex his authority.  Ended up costing the whole department.  Just cause you have a badge doesn't mean your right and when you fuck up, everybody notices.
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Figured that would happen.


Based on what we know, that seems to be the logical move.  That, and sever all business ties.
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 5:12:30 AM EDT
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Covington Police Chief Tim Lentz: I hope the entire police department will not be painted with broad brush strokes for the alleged actions of one officer. I do hope that (the officials association) will reconsider.”
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Did I miss where the chief came out and publicly spoke out against his officer's actions?  If no then he gave tacit approval of the officer's actions and they do speak for his agency.
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Needs more kidnapping charges.
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ha .  if you don't have refs from that organization it will not be sanctioned league play. there is no where else from which you could get refs for a LSSAA game.

Futhermore.........There as paid security or there acting in official capacity from the dept,  When the ref told the cop to gtfo, that was it, they should have left just like anyone else ordered off the property. Some animals are NOT more equal.......they just think they are.  

to the cops on here.......how can you seriously justify they way you blindly protect your co-workers? On this site the majority of us are quick to offer praise when a officer acts heroically. When negative shit happens there is usually a fair amount of skepticism until the entire story comes out.  I will admit that there are some that will rush to hold their feet to the fire. But it never fails that the blue line shows up

On the face of it this story is so ridiculously outrageous and yet the cops have a ton of support. I don't understand how anyone can justify the officers actions. IMO the chief should fire the officer involved, if for no other reason than to set precedent so other officers know that this particular power trip is off limits.
Link Posted: 10/17/2013 8:11:06 AM EDT
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Now that the local police force is the subject of national public ridicule, it will be interesting to see what the Mayor does.

Covington mayor to issue statement on arrest of football referees

Covington Mayor Mike Cooper will hold a press conference at 2 p.m. today to issue a statement and answer questions about an incident last week in which two football referees were booked with public intimidation during a prep football game at St. Paul's stadium.
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On Monday evening, the Greater New Orleans Football Officials Association released a statement saying the incident "unnecessarily called into question the reputations and integrity of two officials who were assigned to work the game." Also on Monday, Louisiana High School Officials Association President Bryan Greenwood said the officials did nothing wrong.
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Now we have the other side of the story.

Football association supports refs arrested in Northshore game

NEW ORLEANS -- The Greater New Orleans Football Officials Association is supporting the two referees who were arrested Friday night by Covington police in a statement released Monday night.
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Read the full statement below:

On Friday, October 11, 2013, during the third quarter of the St. Paul's - Mandeville football game, two game officials, who are members of the Greater New Orleans Football Officials Association (GNOFOA) were arrested by the Covington Police Department.

This disappointing incident marred what was by all accounts a well-played football game between two district rivals, and it unnecessarily took attention away from the hard work and effort of the players of each team.

It has unnecessarily called into question the reputations and integrity of two officials who were assigned to work the game. James Radcliffe and Chris Gambino are each experienced officials who have officiated high school football in this area for several years. Each has officiated a state championship game, and each currently officiates at the collegiate level in different sports.

It also puts undue negative attention on officiating in general, and particularly officiating in GNOFOA. As a general rule, officials do not seek out publicity. Instead, they avoid it. They operate quietly and become involved in the game only when necessary to enforce the rules. It is their goal to be as invisible as possible so that the game and the teams are the only focus.

As officials, we are charged with maintaining the integrity of the game. It is our obligation to see that the game is played fairly and within the rules with safety as a core concern. To do that, our guidance comes from the Louisiana High School Athletic Association (LHSAA) rules, as well as the football playing rules of the National Federation of High Schools. Officials assume authority for the contest, not simply the field of play, 30 minutes prior to the scheduled game time. The rules cover not only the players, but persons not subject to the rules who hinder play by unfair acts.

Additionally, LHSAA Rule 6.26 prohibits unauthorized personnel from being on a team's sideline or team area during any contest at any level of play. While there may be many reasons for this rule, from an officiating standpoint, this rule allows officials to manage and officiate the game and helps to ensure the safety of players and others.

To accomplish this, officials rely on game administration, which is normally the home team, for assistance in game-related matters. LHSAA Rule 3.1.3 states that the home team is responsible for the overall management of the contest, which includes taking safety precautions, providing security, and the security and well-being of officials from the time they arrive until the time they leave. It is precisely because the home team provides security as part of its duties that officials may seek out assistance from that security in certain matters.

Considering that background, here is what happened as we understand it.

During the game, with 6:52 remaining in the third quarter, while the Mandeville offense was playing third down and goal to go at St. Paul's 13-yard line, members of the chain crew told Head Linesman Chris Gambino that they were having a problem with fans in the sideline area. During a stoppage in play, Gambino sought assistance from a Covington Police Department officer in moving these individuals back away from the sideline area. Other members of the crew saw various individuals in this area as well.

The officer did not do so and instead told Gambino to go back and worry about the field. The officer also threatened to arrest Gambino if he said one more word. After multiple requests to the officer, Gambino returned to the field.

Gambino spoke with Referee James Radcliffe, who walked over to talk with the officer. When Radcliffe stepped beyond the sideline, the officer, who was on the field turf in front of the track, pointed at Radcliffe and walked toward him. A few seconds later, the officer reached beyond his back and produced hand cuffs. Radcliffe told the officer that he needed the people back, and the officer did not move them. The officer then told Radcliffe to go back and worry about the field. Radcliffe then told the officer that he needed to leave as well, and that he would go talk with home management. As Radcliffe was beginning to do that, the officer called him back and placed him under arrest.

Afterwards, Gambino, who was asking another officer who the ranking officer was, was also placed under arrest. At no time did either official hit, push, strike, threaten, intimidate, or curse at the officer. Nonetheless, they were brought to the Covington Police Department Office and later transferred to St. Tammany Parish Prison, where they were booked on charges of Public Intimidation and released on a $30 bond sometime around 5:00 a.m. on Saturday morning.

Following the arrest, and after approximately 20 minutes, the remaining five on-field officials and assigned clock operators finished working the game. We commend these officials for staying and finishing the game following this bizarre situation. In doing so, they never lost sight of the most important things that night -- the game, the two teams, and the young men who played on them.

In seeking assistance from security to move back individuals from the sideline area, the officiating crew did exactly what it was supposed to do. The fact that the individuals were not on the field but near the track does not change the officials' need for assistance.

Officials are responsible for the playing contest, not simply what occurs in the field of play. The presence of unauthorized individuals near the sideline in violation of LHSAA rules, even though off the field, presents a safety issue to players, officials, and those individuals themselves. Such individuals may get in the way of both officials as well as the authorized chain crew and ball personnel. When allowed to continue, it has the potential of creating a hostile and intimidating atmosphere by persons not subject to the playing rules.

When this occurs, and in the absence of assistance, officials are forced to turn their attention to matters occurring off the field in order to make sure that they, the chain crew, and any ball personnel are able to work, as well as to make sure that player are not endangered when they run out of bounds. When officials have to do this, they are unable to focus their attention on the 22 players competing on the field of play. As a result, they are unable to perform their basic duties - ensure the game is played in a fair and safe manner, and maintain the integrity of the game. This is why officiating crews need assistance from security and game administration with the keeping the sideline area clear of unauthorized individuals, especially near the goal line.

With this in mind, in light of the LHSAA handbook and the football playing rules, this officiating crew did exactly what it was expected to do in addressing the sideline area. The officials acted appropriately when they felt a problem was brewing as a result of unknown individuals being in the sideline area near the goal line. They sought out assistance from game security in addressing the matter before it became a bigger problem. They did not get that assistance.

No matter what level of play, whether a little league game at a playground, or a professional event, officials should be able to seek assistance from security in addressing unauthorized personnel in sideline area. We cannot understand why this request to the officer was not honored, and further cannot understand how this situation eventually led to the arrest of these two officials who sought assistance in order to do their jobs.

Despite this incident, our officiating crews have always enjoyed a good relationship with law enforcement officers from several different jurisdictions, whether in our immediate service area or around the state during the playoff season. They routinely assist our crews, provide security, escort us to and from the field, and address any concerns we may have. We are grateful and appreciative for all the help they regularly give us and the community in general.

The Greater New Orleans Football Officials Association provides officials for several high schools, middle schools, and recreation programs. Its members come from all walks of life and include educators, firefighters, police officers, dentists, accountants, healthcare professionals, salespeople, engineers, students, IT professionals, business owners, and others. Its near-160 members strive to provide the highest levels of professionalism and quality officiating to football programs throughout our service area as well as the entire state. Many of its current and past members have and do officiate collegiately at the Division I and II levels.

This incident in no way affects this association's mission. We will continue to focus on providing the highest quality officiating for all teams and in all games we officiate. This is what each school, team, player, and fan has a right to expect. We will continue to train, improve, and perform at a high level in order to do what we are supposed to do - maintain the integrity of the game for all of those that are part of it.
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The officer in question brought friends down to a section of the field normally off-limits to spectators, they were interfering with the chain crew, and he refused to move them away when the refs directed it, then had the refs arrested.  From what was posted in the other thread, the rules that the schools agree to (and they're the ones who hired the off-duty police as security) are that the refs have full control of the stadium starting thirty minutes prior to game time.  
 
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When "security" is a Covington cop with a kid on a rival team, that arrests officials when his kid's team is losing, it's probably not the refs that are a problem.


Seriously?  I didn't get a chance to read the other thread, but were the officers really the ones at fault?

The officer in question brought friends down to a section of the field normally off-limits to spectators, they were interfering with the chain crew, and he refused to move them away when the refs directed it, then had the refs arrested.  From what was posted in the other thread, the rules that the schools agree to (and they're the ones who hired the off-duty police as security) are that the refs have full control of the stadium starting thirty minutes prior to game time.  
 

I didn't read the article (I'm lazy today), but if this is really what happened then I hope the officer is seriously reprimanded.
I'm no cop basher and I am usually the first in line to defend LEO here because I appreciate the job they do, but I will admit that officers are people, too, and therefore have the same ability to occasionally be a douche bag just like the rest of us.
Sounds like this one needs to find another line of work where he has no authority that he will be tempted to abuse.

ETA: Just read the above statement. If that's what went down, said officer should be relieved of duty and I would suggest to him to retain a good lawyer. He would need one if I were one of those two officials.
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I didn't read the article (I'm lazy today), but if this is really what happened then I hope the officer is seriously reprimanded.

I'm no cop basher and I am usually the first in line to defend LEO here because I appreciate the job they do, but I will admit that officers are people, too, and therefore have the same ability to occasionally be a douche bag just like the rest of us.

Sounds like this one needs to find another line of work where he has no authority that he will be tempted to abuse.



ETA: Just read the above statement. If that's what went down, said officer should be relieved of duty and I would suggest to him to retain a good lawyer. He would need one if I were one of those two officials.
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When "security" is a Covington cop with a kid on a rival team, that arrests officials when his kid's team is losing, it's probably not the refs that are a problem.




Seriously? I didn't get a chance to read the other thread, but were the officers really the ones at fault?


The officer in question brought friends down to a section of the field normally off-limits to spectators, they were interfering with the chain crew, and he refused to move them away when the refs directed it, then had the refs arrested. From what was posted in the other thread, the rules that the schools agree to (and they're the ones who hired the off-duty police as security) are that the refs have full control of the stadium starting thirty minutes prior to game time.



I didn't read the article (I'm lazy today), but if this is really what happened then I hope the officer is seriously reprimanded.

I'm no cop basher and I am usually the first in line to defend LEO here because I appreciate the job they do, but I will admit that officers are people, too, and therefore have the same ability to occasionally be a douche bag just like the rest of us.

Sounds like this one needs to find another line of work where he has no authority that he will be tempted to abuse.



ETA: Just read the above statement. If that's what went down, said officer should be relieved of duty and I would suggest to him to retain a good lawyer. He would need one if I were one of those two officials.


Well-said.

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Cop needs to find a new line of work.
Sounds like he's perfect for the TSA.
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Unless the chief plans on refuting that article ballista just posted , how could he justify keeping that officer in his employ?
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Reread the OP and then your response.

People who were there tell another story about what happened, i.e. the officer was interfering with the chain crew and was asked by officials to stop or leave the field, and the officer decided to repspect mah authority the ref.
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Probably a relative.

Have the refs filed a lawsuit yet?
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In for official oppression charges.
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There is also local discussion as to whether LT Short was part of the official security crew or merely there watching his son play from the sidelines.

Covington Athletic Director Darryl Graham said there usually are only three police officers working his school’s game and they would be assigned to traffic and stadium posts.
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Where are all the folks defending the officer's actions just a couple days ago?
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That's exactly what I was thinking...

with a dose of Little Lindbergh Law thrown in.  
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Didn't someone say in the other thread something to the effect of "If I am at the game, I'll stand where ever the fuck I want"?

Pretty sure I saw that.
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There's only one left, and he seems otherwise occupied in the pit.
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I imagine that P.D. will be taking the long way to get there if there is an emergency.
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Sadly.  Is it a wonder that there are folks who no longer trust officer friendly?
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Sadly.  Is it a wonder that there are folks who no longer trust officer friendly?


I seriously don't know why folks think that.

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Here's a hint.  If you want to be treated like professionals, act like professionals.

The fact that this would even come to mind to you speaks volumes.
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I seriously don't know why folks think that.


It's not like you need the community's trust in your career.  
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I seriously don't know why folks think that.


It's not like you need the community's trust in your career.  


Our community loves us.

/shrugs
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I keep hearing the dont paint us all with the broad brush line,  but I'm not hearing a chief say, this clown has very bad judgement and a bad attitude therefore his services are no longer needed at my department.  This idiot is out pulling people over and answering calls.  God help those people he protects and serves the shit out of, he's got some ego mending to do after the pee pee slap.
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I keep hearing the dont paint us all with the broad brush line,  but I'm not hearing a chief say, this clown has very bad judgement and a bad attitude therefore his services are no longer needed at my department.  This idiot is out pulling people over and answering calls.  God help those people he protects and serves the shit out of, he's got some ego mending to do after the pee pee slap.
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I keep hearing the dont paint us all with the broad brush line,  but I'm not hearing a chief say, this clown has very bad judgement and a bad attitude therefore his services are no longer needed at my department.  This idiot is out pulling people over and answering calls.  God help those people he protects and serves the shit out of, he's got some ego mending to do after the pee pee slap.


I still want a stronger answer to my question in my thread that got locked about the principals authority to order a cop off the property. Bama said that the principal could pound sand and that they couldn't tell him to do a thing, even in a non-emergency situation.  But there was no elaboration.  I just find it hard to believe that the principal cant tell whoever he wants to get the fuck out and if they have a problem with who he orders out to take it up with his boss, the school board.

short of calling a lawyer here in Tn to find out, are there other places that I could look for legal info on principals powers, state or federal?
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See below.
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Principal of a private school?  I could see them ordering the LEO off the property.

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So what legal authority would you stay under after you have been told to leave by the appropriate representative?
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Seriously?  I didn't get a chance to read the other thread, but were the officers really the ones at fault?
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When "security" is a Covington cop with a kid on a rival team, that arrests officials when his kid's team is losing, it's probably not the refs that are a problem.


Seriously?  I didn't get a chance to read the other thread, but were the officers really the ones at fault?


They arrested the fucking refs during a game.

Classic case of small dick /you will respek muh authurituh.
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So what legal authority would you stay under after you have been told to leave by the appropriate representative?
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So what legal authority would you stay under after you have been told to leave by the appropriate representative?


Public property = LEOs have a right to be on it, as long as its under our jurisdiction.
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I agree, it seems they have no honor or integrity.

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Public property = LEOs have a right to be on it, as long as its under our jurisdiction.
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Principal of a private school?  I could see them ordering the LEO off the property.

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Pound sand.


So what legal authority would you stay under after you have been told to leave by the appropriate representative?


Public property = LEOs have a right to be on it, as long as its under our jurisdiction.

Cite?
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Now that the local police force is the subject of national public ridicule, it will be interesting to see what the Mayor does.

Covington mayor to issue statement on arrest of football referees





http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/10/covington_mayor_to_issue_state.html
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Now that the local police force is the subject of national public ridicule, it will be interesting to see what the Mayor does.

Covington mayor to issue statement on arrest of football referees

Covington Mayor Mike Cooper will hold a press conference at 2 p.m. today to issue a statement and answer questions about an incident last week in which two football referees were booked with public intimidation during a prep football game at St. Paul's stadium.


On Monday evening, the Greater New Orleans Football Officials Association released a statement saying the incident "unnecessarily called into question the reputations and integrity of two officials who were assigned to work the game." Also on Monday, Louisiana High School Officials Association President Bryan Greenwood said the officials did nothing wrong.


http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/10/covington_mayor_to_issue_state.html


Sounds like the public intimidation charges were filed against the wrong people.
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Unless the chief plans on refuting that article ballista just posted , how could he justify keeping that officer in his employ?



I keep hearing the dont paint us all with the broad brush line,  but I'm not hearing a chief say, this clown has very bad judgement and a bad attitude therefore his services are no longer needed at my department.  This idiot is out pulling people over and answering calls.  God help those people he protects and serves the shit out of, he's got some ego mending to do after the pee pee slap.


I still want a stronger answer to my question in my thread that got locked about the principals authority to order a cop off the property. Bama said that the principal could pound sand and that they couldn't tell him to do a thing, even in a non-emergency situation.  But there was no elaboration.  I just find it hard to believe that the principal cant tell whoever he wants to get the fuck out and if they have a problem with who he orders out to take it up with his boss, the school board.

short of calling a lawyer here in Tn to find out, are there other places that I could look for legal info on principals powers, state or federal?


Principal of a private school?  I could see them ordering the LEO off the property.

But of a public?

Pound sand.


ok....the pound sand is getting old.  I'd like a little corroboration. For either side. I want to see a precedent, law , ruling, AG's opinion......something other than pound sand I am the police. I am not saying you do any research, because im pretty sure your response is that its not your responsibility to prove what you are saying and the burden of proof falls on me in some way. And I am attempting to find something on the net right now one way or the other and Im coming up dry. Shy of calling my states AG, and at this point im close to doing that, I am looking for some kind legit info.  Help find something to support what you say.
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No justification needed.



Welcome to deep south law enforcement.



 
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Principal of a private school?  I could see them ordering the LEO off the property.

But of a public?

Pound sand.


So what legal authority would you stay under after you have been told to leave by the appropriate representative?


Public property = LEOs have a right to be on it, as long as its under our jurisdiction.

Cite?


Don't have it off hand.

I believe it came up when the principal at a school district in the state wanted the officers to disarm themselves prior to entering the school.

They told him no way, and the state agreed with the LEOs.

ETA:  Actually.. I stand corrected.  The issue was only armed officers, not officers being on the grounds as a whole.

There is a P.D. that got kicked off the school grounds for providing security, and the school board felt that it made the parents / kids feel 'too uncomfortable' having a LEO on the grounds.

The school cannot dictate to the officer, however, whether he may be permitted to enter the school armed, provided he is on duty, and its in the performance of said duties.
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