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Accuracy is more a factor of which manufacturer/mounting system. Yes, 30 cal can will most definitely work on a 308 AR/Bolt gun or a 5.56 AR, provided you have the proper mounts. Heavy/light is a price issue. Generally, 30 cal cans are, at minimum, a couple ounces heavier than 5.56 cans. Again, strong lightweight materials, e.g. titanium, cost more. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hold on a second. You can put a .308 can on a 5.56/.223 rifle and it works? Just as well? Practically, to your ear, yes. And the versatility makes it the better choice for a first/single rifle can. But it will also work on a .308 AR? Heavier? less accurate? Yes, 30 cal can will most definitely work on a 308 AR/Bolt gun or a 5.56 AR, provided you have the proper mounts. Heavy/light is a price issue. Generally, 30 cal cans are, at minimum, a couple ounces heavier than 5.56 cans. Again, strong lightweight materials, e.g. titanium, cost more. It seems to me that one would be better off spending more money on a high quality .308 can instead of buying two mid quality cans |
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Regarding a 9mm can, I'm guessing it is a function of volume, and most 9mm cans are fairly short? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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WOW, this thread is awesome. My brother, father, and I were thinking about setting up a trust soon, and I have been wondering what to get, so I have a whole crapload of questions. Since a 30cal can works on a 556, and certain 9mm cans work on a 30cal (like a blackout), would a 9mm can work on a 5.56? NO! 9mm cans only work with SUBSONIC 300BLK. Supersonic rounds will produce too much pressure and cause the can to rupture.This same thing will happen if you try to use 5.56 in it. Since some 45cal cans work on 9mm, does that mean they would be compatible on anything in between, like say 10mm? It should. I know people are using .40 cans for 10mm although the full power loads could possibly be too much. It was my understanding that on a pistol, and I guess this was more back in the day, but a can on the barrel doesn't cycle the action, turning it into a single-shot? What causes this to not be the case with modern cans? Modern cans use a Nielson device (also called a booster) which uses a spring to isolate the can from the barrel when the barrel unlocks during firing. Does anybody have one of those integral suppressor uppers for a Ruger Mk II? What has been your experience? These were the first Qs that came to mind, but I am sure I will have more. Regarding a 9mm can, I'm guessing it is a function of volume, and most 9mm cans are fairly short? No. It's a matter of the radial strength of those suppressors. You COULD build a 9mm can rated for supersonic centerfire rounds, but it'd be a .308 can with an oversized bore. There are plenty of short centerfire cans out there (OPs Inc M4-S, Surefire Micro) that are fine with centerfire pressures. Basically, put a centerfire round through a pistol can and the amount of pressure generate at the muzzle when the projectile uncorks the bore will rupture the can because they are not built as strong because they don't need to be and if they were they'd be significantly heavier. |
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I like that it only took me two pages in this thread to buy a dedicated 5.56 can ....read through and forgot I posted.
I bought a Mini4 for my duty rifle. I might even buy a Surefire for an 11.5" build....don't know yet. Not enough money right now for it. I bought, in order: Silencerco SS Sparrow AAC TiRant 45 AAC SDN-6 AAC Mini4 I will add that I wish I knew how quick the Eforms would be....when I paid for my SDN-6 from Silencershop, I insisted on the paper route...it was what was familiar....a few months later, I bought the Mini4 and I will very likely have the Mini4 in hand first... |
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THe problem is deciding how wet is too wet. It's not like there is a gauge. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You can in fact use a center fire rifle can wet. Not terribly wet but it works. THe problem is deciding how wet is too wet. It's not like there is a gauge. So how to the SEALs deal with that issue? |
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You can in fact use a center fire rifle can wet. Not terribly wet but it works. THe problem is deciding how wet is too wet. It's not like there is a gauge. So how to the SEALs deal with that issue? I think they give 'em a shake & also don't give a shit if they pop one. |
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Hold on a second. You can put a .308 can on a 5.56/.223 rifle and it works? Just as well? View Quote Using similar materials, the 5.56 can will probably be a bit shorter and lighter than a 7.62 can, and will probably be "measurably" quieter too. HOWEVER the difference in weight will be just a few (2-4) ounces, and your ears will most likely not be able to hear the difference in sound reduction other than some tonal qualities (lower/higher pitch). I pulled the following info from http://www.silencershop.com/ YHM Ti Phantom QD 5.56 Diameter: 1.5" Length: 6.875" Weight: 12oz Signature Reduction: 35dB YHM Ti Phantom QD 7.62 Diameter: 1.5" Length: 8.5" Weight: 15oz Signature Reduction: 32dB For me, getting the YHM Ti Phantom QD 7.62 for use on my 5.56 & 300 BLK ar15's as well as my .308 Win bolt action was a very logical choice. If I had full auto, I would have went with a can that was rated for sustained full auto use, but why hump the extra weight if I shoot semi-auto only? |
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I think they give 'em a shake & also don't give a shit if they pop one. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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You can in fact use a center fire rifle can wet. Not terribly wet but it works. THe problem is deciding how wet is too wet. It's not like there is a gauge. So how to the SEALs deal with that issue? I think they give 'em a shake & also don't give a shit if they pop one. Condom over the can to keep water out or tape over the hole. |
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Anyone have any experience with Griffin Armament suppressors? They have some pretty interesting looking cans.
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Anyone have any experience with Griffin Armament suppressors? They have some pretty interesting looking cans. View Quote There's not a ton out there on them. They take lots of flack, but those who own them speak favorably about them. I've spent a lot of time talking to Austin and am waiting on an M4SDK. Here's a thread on them: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/411398_.html The only real argument I've heard against them is that they're not a huge company like AAC or SF. What I find interesting is those same people tout Silencerco/SWR as "one of the big boys", ignoring that both companies are relatively new to the scene and their merger was only a little over 2 years ago.Griffin is new, but I can easily see them going the distance. |
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Is it possible to run a .30 can on a .22lr or just get the .22 can and then a .30?
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YHM QD Wraith 9mm http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/Bamashooter/Gun%20Pics/SDC11881.jpg Bama, if you don't mind me asking, what lower/mag block combo do you have working on this 9mm AR that utilizes Glock Mags? Thanks KingOfTheBumps Lone Wolf dedicated 9mm lower. http://www.lonewolfdist.com/ What's your barrel length? 5.5" |
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Is it possible to run a .30 can on a .22lr or just get the .22 can and then a .30? View Quote It's usually not a good idea to run .22lr through a centerfire can because most of them cannot be taken apart for cleaning. They are welded shut. .22 cans don't have to withstand nearly as much pressure so it is easy to design one that can be taken apart and cleaned. As I'm sure you know, .22 ammo is VERY dirty, especially when compared to .30 or 5.56mm ammo. So yeah, get the .22 can and save up for the .30. |
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Do any 5.56 suppressors on the market mount to a standard A2 flash hider or are any of the mounting systems bayonet compatible? Once I get into NFA items I'd like to not have to change muzzle devices just to do a stabby stab stab photo shoot. Thanks. |
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Well gents, I'm set to join the club. Purchased the proper can for my Mk12 clone earlier this week, so now begins the wait. Once this can his been paid off, I'll be purchasing a SureFire can for my Block II clone.
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Quoted: I have a question guys. Do any 5.56 suppressors on the market mount to a standard A2 flash hider or are any of the mounting systems bayonet compatible? Once I get into NFA items I'd like to not have to change muzzle devices just to do a stabby stab stab photo shoot. Thanks. View Quote I think some of the Gemtech cans meet your needs along with Liberty Suppressors. |
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I have a question guys. Do any 5.56 suppressors on the market mount to a standard A2 flash hider or are any of the mounting systems bayonet compatible? Once I get into NFA items I'd like to not have to change muzzle devices just to do a stabby stab stab photo shoot. Thanks. View Quote Griffin Armament M4SD and M4SDK and Gemtech HALO and GMT HALO. |
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I wish I wasn't so concerned about the weight. I went with a very light, short suppressor instead of a .308 QD suppressor I could have used on my bolt gun as well.
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Griffin Armament M4SD and M4SDK and Gemtech HALO and GMT HALO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a question guys. Do any 5.56 suppressors on the market mount to a standard A2 flash hider or are any of the mounting systems bayonet compatible? Once I get into NFA items I'd like to not have to change muzzle devices just to do a stabby stab stab photo shoot. Thanks. Griffin Armament M4SD and M4SDK and Gemtech HALO and GMT HALO. Also the AAC Omni which is no longer in production. Love mine. |
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and you will be smiling for a week.. Its the coolest sound I've ever heard. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Get a 7.62mm can and a short barrel 300 blackout if you want something to write home about. Even supersonic loads are pretty quiet from it, it just goes skeeeyaaaa! from the sonic crack. But the actual muzzle blast is still pretty muffled. and you will be smiling for a week.. Its the coolest sound I've ever heard. .300 blkout is going to go down as best new innovation since the glock. |
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Gemtech Halo. A tad on the heavy side, but reasonably priced and very durable. There was some talk that they were coming out with a titanium Halo this year. Did they release it at SHOT? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a question guys. Do any 5.56 suppressors on the market mount to a standard A2 flash hider or are any of the mounting systems bayonet compatible? Once I get into NFA items I'd like to not have to change muzzle devices just to do a stabby stab stab photo shoot. Thanks. There was some talk that they were coming out with a titanium Halo this year. Did they release it at SHOT? GMT HALO. 12oz. They officially announced it at SHOT, but the word was out a couple months back. I got the chance to shoot it this summer, and its really nice. Super light, sounds great, and is user serviceable. |
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Krpind, would you mind posting a review of the whisper or just IM me your thoughts on it. I'm really wanting one.
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My only experience with them is a couple mags through a buddy's work gun (Colt Commando) with an AAC can. I got bukakked with gas in the face. I would think some sort of 'gas buster' charging handle would be beneficial. All rounds fired were in F/A. Maybe semi isnt as bad. I dunno. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Is a piston a better platform? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Suppressed direct impingement systems suck balls......unless you set it up right. 16" rifle gas length barrel ftw. |
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GMT HALO. 12oz. They officially announced it at SHOT, but the word was out a couple months back. I got the chance to shoot it this summer, and its really nice. Super light, sounds great, and is user serviceable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a question guys. Do any 5.56 suppressors on the market mount to a standard A2 flash hider or are any of the mounting systems bayonet compatible? Once I get into NFA items I'd like to not have to change muzzle devices just to do a stabby stab stab photo shoot. Thanks. There was some talk that they were coming out with a titanium Halo this year. Did they release it at SHOT? GMT HALO. 12oz. They officially announced it at SHOT, but the word was out a couple months back. I got the chance to shoot it this summer, and its really nice. Super light, sounds great, and is user serviceable. Ooooo. As Paris Hilton would say, "That's Hot." I'm waiting on my stamp for a Trek-T, which is the 10 oz. thread-on titanium one from them. It's going to live permanently on a SBR, but a HALO version would be nice. |
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Quoted: Suppressed direct impingement systems suck balls......unless you set it up right. 16" rifle gas length barrel ftw. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My only experience with them is a couple mags through a buddy's work gun (Colt Commando) with an AAC can. I got bukakked with gas in the face. I would think some sort of 'gas buster' charging handle would be beneficial. All rounds fired were in F/A. Maybe semi isnt as bad. I dunno. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Is a piston a better platform? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Suppressed direct impingement systems suck balls......unless you set it up right. 16" rifle gas length barrel ftw. Holy shit so much derp in one quote tree.
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Quoted: Ooooo. As Paris Hilton would say, "That's Hot." I'm waiting on my stamp for a Trek-T, which is the 10 oz. thread-on titanium one from them. It's going to live permanently on a SBR, but a HALO version would be nice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a question guys. Do any 5.56 suppressors on the market mount to a standard A2 flash hider or are any of the mounting systems bayonet compatible? Once I get into NFA items I'd like to not have to change muzzle devices just to do a stabby stab stab photo shoot. Thanks. There was some talk that they were coming out with a titanium Halo this year. Did they release it at SHOT? GMT HALO. 12oz. They officially announced it at SHOT, but the word was out a couple months back. I got the chance to shoot it this summer, and its really nice. Super light, sounds great, and is user serviceable. Ooooo. As Paris Hilton would say, "That's Hot." I'm waiting on my stamp for a Trek-T, which is the 10 oz. thread-on titanium one from them. It's going to live permanently on a SBR, but a HALO version would be nice. I had my HALO converted to a G5 mount, please for the love of god if you buy a suppressor and want it to disconnect in a timely manner don't buy the HALO. Also, don't lose the mounting collar lol
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My only experience with them is a couple mags through a buddy's work gun (Colt Commando) with an AAC can. I got bukakked with gas in the face. I would think some sort of 'gas buster' charging handle would be beneficial. All rounds fired were in F/A. Maybe semi isnt as bad. I dunno. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Is a piston a better platform? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Suppressed direct impingement systems suck balls......unless you set it up right. 16" rifle gas length barrel ftw. Holy shit so much derp in one quote tree. Gas in the face does suck balls when shooting a suppressed AR. Unless your gas system is properly tuned to normalize gas system pressures. Where's the derp? |
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Gas in the face does suck balls when shooting a suppressed AR. Unless your gas system is properly tuned to normalize gas system pressures. Where's the derp? View Quote I'm using a factory LMT 10.5" SBR (which have undersized gas ports for this very purpose) with a PRI gasbuster charging handle with RTV sealant on the top where it meets the upper receiver. I'm not worried. |
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I'm using a factory LMT 10.5" SBR (which have undersized gas ports for this very purpose) with a PRI gasbuster charging handle with RTV sealant on the top where it meets the upper receiver. I'm not worried. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Gas in the face does suck balls when shooting a suppressed AR. Unless your gas system is properly tuned to normalize gas system pressures. Where's the derp? I'm using a factory LMT 10.5" SBR (which have undersized gas ports for this very purpose) with a PRI gasbuster charging handle with RTV sealant on the top where it meets the upper receiver. I'm not worried. Well, that certainly is one way to normalize the gas flow. Glad to hear this works. |
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Is a brake still necessary for Suppressor life if I'm running a 762 can on a 556 sbr?
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Gas in the face does suck balls when shooting a suppressed AR. Unless your gas system is properly tuned to normalize gas system pressures. Where's the derp? I'm using a factory LMT 10.5" SBR (which have undersized gas ports for this very purpose) with a PRI gasbuster charging handle with RTV sealant on the top where it meets the upper receiver. I'm not worried. Pics? |
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The change in point of impact with my G5 is annoying--wish I got a SureFire.
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Is a brake still necessary for Suppressor life if I'm running a 762 can on a 556 sbr? A brake is recommended to lessen baffle wear, since brakes are cheaper than cans. I was specifically inquiring about running a 308 can on a 556 sbr ar15. I would assume the larger bore of the 308 suppressor would lessen the need for a brake? |
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Wish I'd bought a thunderbeast can first. All the other can's I've bought/used just don't even compare. |
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Gas in the face does suck balls when shooting a suppressed AR. Unless your gas system is properly tuned to normalize gas system pressures. Where's the derp? I'm using a factory LMT 10.5" SBR (which have undersized gas ports for this very purpose) with a PRI gasbuster charging handle with RTV sealant on the top where it meets the upper receiver. I'm not worried. Pics? http://03designgroup.com/photo/do-it-yourself-gas-buster-chargining-handle/DPP_0003copy%5B1%5D.jpg That's the idea, yes, though mine is black sealant, on a PRI Gasbuster charging handle (which has channels on the right side, just aft of where it meets the upper receiver, to vent any excess gas blown back). |
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Is a brake still necessary for Suppressor life if I'm running a 762 can on a 556 sbr? A brake is recommended to lessen baffle wear, since brakes are cheaper than cans. I was specifically inquiring about running a 308 can on a 556 sbr ar15. I would assume the larger bore of the 308 suppressor would lessen the need for a brake? No, it will not. You still want to run a brake on SBR 5.56 rifles. |
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Yeah. Cans that weigh 18 oz and require proprietary mounts are awesome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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went with the best, M4-2k in before the ass hurt Yeah. Cans that weigh 18 oz and require proprietary mounts are awesome. Most QD cans require proprietary mounts. Most that don't aren't very good. They tend to be just as heavy, if not heavier and are often old-tech. |
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went with the best, M4-2k in before the ass hurt Yeah. Cans that weigh 18 oz and require proprietary mounts are awesome. Most QD cans require proprietary mounts. Most that don't aren't very good. They tend to be just as heavy, if not heavier and are often old-tech. Which assumes that one wants or needs a QD system. Personally, I don't. I'd rather save the length and weight by using a titanium thread-on can, as I'm not going to move a can around anyway due to the change in POI. So something like a M4-2K isn't "the best" for everyone. That said, I am intrigued by a titanium HALO. |
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Which assumes that one wants or needs a QD system. Personally, I don't. I'd rather save the length and weight by using a titanium thread-on can, as I'm not going to move a can around anyway due to the change in POI. So something like a M4-2K isn't "the best" for everyone. That said, I am intrigued by a titanium HALO. View Quote Thread-on cans are great for precision rifles. Not so much for any rifle which may see rapid fire -- at least not in my experience. Every system has its place. Calling a "best" can is pretty hard though. It's all situationally dependent. |
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Thread-on cans are great for precision rifles. Not so much for any rifle which may see rapid fire -- at least not in my experience. Every system has its place. Calling a "best" can is pretty hard though. It's all situationally dependent. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Which assumes that one wants or needs a QD system. Personally, I don't. I'd rather save the length and weight by using a titanium thread-on can, as I'm not going to move a can around anyway due to the change in POI. So something like a M4-2K isn't "the best" for everyone. That said, I am intrigued by a titanium HALO. Thread-on cans are great for precision rifles. Not so much for any rifle which may see rapid fire -- at least not in my experience. Every system has its place. Calling a "best" can is pretty hard though. It's all situationally dependent. If the next gen OSS cans have an antirotation feature, I might not buy any other line. |
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That's the debate I keep having with myself, QD v. thread-on. I see the pros and cons of both and I think I'm leaning more toward the thread-on. One of the guns I'd plan to suppress, however, would be an SBR, so I could see having a brake on that to help save the first baffle.
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