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1. they are still loud. in retrospect a subsonic caliber can might be a better first can.
2. weight matters more when its way out on the end of the barrel |
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While I don't have one...(but I've shot a few), I'd say getting a LIGHT ONE. Damn, they all seem to be heavy as balls!
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I should have bought a .22 first
and instead of a 9mm suppressor I should have got a .45 to use with both and Im thinking of a .30cal suppressor for my rifles but still not sure also the lighter the can the better |
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I jumped in. Just purchased a Cyclone, Multi-mount and Sparrow. That should do it. The Cyclone should be perfect on my 6.8.
Now if they would get pay.gov running again I could pay the tax... |
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5.56 can is - wait for it, epic news flash on page 3 here - still loud. I'd call it slightly quieter than most of my 22's without a can. However - I love my can. OPS 15th model. I'd love a .22LR can, but I'm really glad as of late that I have this thing to stick on my 16" middy with really nice glass. I simply can't imagine toting around a 5.56 rifle without a can by choice anymore. Lessons learned: 1. The sooner you file the paperwork, the sooner you get it. If you can swing the cash, do it. Do your homework and don't get rejected for silly stuff. 2. If you need your outer barrel profile to match a certain dimension, don't assume any barrel will match it (i.e., steps for OPS cans). Expect to spend ~$80 for shipping, reprofile, repark if you go that route. Generally not an issue with most cans you're likely looking at. 3. Next time I put together a barrel for my rifle, it will have a Switchblock or similar setup. Gasbuster has no problem tackling my blowblack, but I'd prefer to minimize parts wear. 4. You WILL get more parts wear in an AR; cam pins, firing pin retaining pins. Your brass will be filthy (but still reloadable). 5. A 7.62 can would be really freakin' useful right about now. I'd love to be able to run a larger cal bolt gun, too. That said... the compactness of the 5.56 can is still nice. Mine makes my 16" the same length as a 20". 6. Don't expect to hang a can on a thin noodly barrel and not get downward POI shift. It's fine, just know it'll probably be there. |
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Also, a suppressed bolt gun is nicer than a suppressed semi.
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they are not all that much quieter- I can't understand why they are an NFA item a 22lr subsonic is much more effective sound wise unsuppressed. View Quote have you ever shot one? they are MUCH quieter. you can shoot without ear pro on if you must, and still retain hearing. try that without a can and tell em just how "not much quieter" it really is... sure it wont be 22LR subsonic quiet, but then again, its not exactly 22LR now is it? |
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I have a YHM Stainless with 7.62 / 5.56 mounts and its way to heavy for AR. I use it for my 308 rifle. I really like the Surefire MINI on my 10.3" Colt. Not the quietest, but it's small. It really tames down the Surefire Mb556k muzzle brake nicely. Pic <a href="http://s90.photobucket.com/user/mhpoole/media/010-1_zps5c60736a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k258/mhpoole/010-1_zps5c60736a.jpg</a> View Quote Not twins, but my little setup could at least be a cousin to yours. Although my iphone portrait skills are pretty lame. What I wish I'd known: There's always going to be something quieter, stronger, lighter, more versatile, and with a better mount "coming soon." Don't keep waiting for the next best thing. I delayed a year waiting for the next new hotness, then finally decided that a suppressor I own would be more useful to me than a suppressor that still was in R&D. "A bird in the hand..." Titanium would be much more weight-friendly, but you might want to trade that for a heavier beefy suppressor if it's going to live on a short barrel with high ROF. I chose the latter. AAC 762SDN6, by the way. My wife, who really dislikes guns, thinks suppressors are a great idea for hearing protection. She is an SLP who trained with audiologists. "It's just a tube. Not scary at all. Why don't all of your guns have them? I fully support that for hearing." I could have been in suppressor heaven, but missed that bus. The pics represent a combined 18-20 months in NFA purgatory and an SOT that misplaced () the Colt for a few months. After a while, you may actually forget you have stuff in transfer. People aren't kidding about getting hot. This suppressor's first and only trip out was on a very wet day. Raindrops didn't just evaporate. They skittered across the hot metal like water on a frying pan. Leidenfrost effect or some other physics mumbo-jumbo. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I want a Liberty Triumph mainly for the light weight. Thread on is convenient but more susceptible to working loose. EDIT: Huge +1 on a .22lr can. The Sparrow SS is amazing. The only other .22 can I would consider is the Spectre II (stainless) or Warlock II (aluminum). I have a Sparrow and my Spectre II is in jail. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I want a Liberty Triumph mainly for the light weight. Thread on is convenient but more susceptible to working loose. EDIT: Huge +1 on a .22lr can. The Sparrow SS is amazing. The only other .22 can I would consider is the Spectre II (stainless) or Warlock II (aluminum). I have a Sparrow and my Spectre II is in jail. Bro, do you even G5-22? Full size, aluminum 5.56 can that you can disassemble for cleaning and doesn't have a first round pop. Quoted:
I want a 308 bolt gun to shoot subsonic, working on that. Don't buy a .308win if you're planning on shooting subsonics. You can do it with trailboss loads but it's hit or miss depending on the rifle. I had a .308win rifle when I got into cans but if I were to build a .30 cal rifle for a can I'd go with .300blk or something designed around being subsonic. |
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I learned that stamp collecting is expensive. I love my SDN6 and have a M42K sitting in paperwork jail right now. The TiRant 9 is extremely fun to shoot, I'm looking into a TiRant 45 for one of my 1911s.
The SDN6 really shines with 300blk but that being said, it's still does a great job on my 10.3" Mk18 build. |
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Quoted: sitting in paperwork jail right now. View Quote My first two are at the dealer, waiting for paperwork. Huntertown .22 & a YHM Phantom LT .30 I tried a Huntertown on a Cricket at a HTF shoot, and it was sweet. I bought the YHM mainly because my primary AR has a YHM mount pinned to it. |
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Not twins, but my little setup could at least be a cousin to yours. Although my iphone portrait skills are pretty lame. http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/sleepdr/DB9D46E6-3911-4116-9C52-8BCB52C6C7FB-22183-0000097872CC7FDE_zps2f01fe42.jpg What I wish I'd known: There's always going to be something quieter, stronger, lighter, more versatile, and with a better mount "coming soon." Don't keep waiting for the next best thing. I delayed a year waiting for the next new hotness, then finally decided that a suppressor I own would be more useful to me than a suppressor that still was in R&D. "A bird in the hand..." Titanium would be much more weight-friendly, but you might want to trade that for a heavier beefy suppressor if it's going to live on a short barrel with high ROF. I chose the latter. AAC 762SDN6, by the way. My wife, who really dislikes guns, thinks suppressors are a great idea for hearing protection. She is an SLP who trained with audiologists. "It's just a tube. Not scary at all. Why don't all of your guns have them? I fully support that for hearing." I could have been in suppressor heaven, but missed that bus. The pics represent a combined 18-20 months in NFA purgatory and an SOT that misplaced () the Colt for a few months. After a while, you may actually forget you have stuff in transfer. People aren't kidding about getting hot. This suppressor's first and only trip out was on a very wet day. Raindrops didn't just evaporate. They skittered across the hot metal like water on a frying pan. Leidenfrost effect or some other physics mumbo-jumbo. http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/sleepdr/C5487B73-0A4F-4CE5-B79D-A6F10826629E-634-00000041A281F5EC_zpsadb8ec98.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a YHM Stainless with 7.62 / 5.56 mounts and its way to heavy for AR. I use it for my 308 rifle. I really like the Surefire MINI on my 10.3" Colt. Not the quietest, but it's small. It really tames down the Surefire Mb556k muzzle brake nicely. Pic <a href="http://s90.photobucket.com/user/mhpoole/media/010-1_zps5c60736a.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k258/mhpoole/010-1_zps5c60736a.jpg</a> Not twins, but my little setup could at least be a cousin to yours. Although my iphone portrait skills are pretty lame. http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/sleepdr/DB9D46E6-3911-4116-9C52-8BCB52C6C7FB-22183-0000097872CC7FDE_zps2f01fe42.jpg What I wish I'd known: There's always going to be something quieter, stronger, lighter, more versatile, and with a better mount "coming soon." Don't keep waiting for the next best thing. I delayed a year waiting for the next new hotness, then finally decided that a suppressor I own would be more useful to me than a suppressor that still was in R&D. "A bird in the hand..." Titanium would be much more weight-friendly, but you might want to trade that for a heavier beefy suppressor if it's going to live on a short barrel with high ROF. I chose the latter. AAC 762SDN6, by the way. My wife, who really dislikes guns, thinks suppressors are a great idea for hearing protection. She is an SLP who trained with audiologists. "It's just a tube. Not scary at all. Why don't all of your guns have them? I fully support that for hearing." I could have been in suppressor heaven, but missed that bus. The pics represent a combined 18-20 months in NFA purgatory and an SOT that misplaced () the Colt for a few months. After a while, you may actually forget you have stuff in transfer. People aren't kidding about getting hot. This suppressor's first and only trip out was on a very wet day. Raindrops didn't just evaporate. They skittered across the hot metal like water on a frying pan. Leidenfrost effect or some other physics mumbo-jumbo. http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t151/sleepdr/C5487B73-0A4F-4CE5-B79D-A6F10826629E-634-00000041A281F5EC_zpsadb8ec98.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Looks good, Is that an 11.5"? I'm 4 months into the wait for my SDN-6. |
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I did one thing right and one wrong when I got my suppressor.
Wrong: should have got a 30 cal. Right: I'm glad I got a Surefire. My friend got a AAC when I got my SF. His POI shifts several inches when he mounts his can. My SF is right on.
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Damn. I am really really happy I looked at this thread, because I'd of went with just a 5.56 suppressor instead of the .308 that also works with 5.56
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if its not FA, get a Ti can... or your m4 will feel like a FAL...
i like QD's,... my 1st can wasnt...
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Quoted: http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/PRI-Gas-Buster-Charging-Handle-p/pri%20m84%20gb%2005-0032.htm I highly recommend. View Quote |
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My only experience with them is a couple mags through a buddy's work gun (Colt Commando) with an AAC can. I got bukakked with gas in the face. I would think some sort of 'gas buster' charging handle would be beneficial. All rounds fired were in F/A. Maybe semi isnt as bad. I dunno. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You know you enjoyed it you filthy whore. Well, it was my NFA cherry being popped at the time, so I didnt mind it as much as I normally would have. Not something Id like to deal with every time I shot, though. But again, maybe its different in semiauto. I was doing mag dumps in F/A, because 'Murica. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Got to love Murica some times. Damn skippy! |
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Get a 30 cal can. you wont 556 isnt any quieter
get Ti, you'll be glad you did. wish i had. |
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I'm sure a longer barrel adds to the perceived heaviness of a can.
A 762 SDN-6, which is a dense little can, on the end of my 8.5" blackout barrel makes the gun handle about like a 16" heavy bbl, which is still light and compact to me -- a person who grew up carrying around a 10 pound shotgun with 30" bbl through the woods. It's all about perspective. |
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I picked up a SDN-6 just for the dual purpose ability. Now I've ordered a Mini-4 as 5.56 is loud anyway, I just want to knock the edge off and keep my gun as compact as possible.
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Regarding the suggestions to buy titanium; when I was investigating a 9mm can for my Uzi, I called Liberty Suppressors to ask their advice on which I should get. They make a stainless/titanium 9mm suppressor called the Mystic, and they make the same suppressor in all titanium called the Infinity. Liberty told me the stainless version would hold up in long term 9mm full-auto use better than the titanium. Also, the titanium version is not approved for use with some full powered rifle rounds like stainless version. Only sub-sonic .300 BLK is approved in the titanium version, whereas the stainless version can shoot full power .300 BLK in full-auto. The stainless is approved for .223, whereas the titanium is not. see below from Liberty webpage. Link
Infinity caliber rating (titanium - 8.0 ounces): The Infiniti is rated for the following calibers: 22 Hornet, 22 K Hornet, 32-20, 357 MAG, 221 Fireball, 32 S&W, Long 32 H&R, Magnum 380, 9X1,8 9X19, (Base Caliber) 38 Super, 38 Special, 38 S&W, 357 Max – Subsonic, 338 Spectre – Subsonic, 300 BLK – Subsonic, 300 Whisper – Subsonic, 308 Win- Subsonic, 30 PPC – Subsonic, all rimfire cartridges. Full Auto Rated in 9mm and 22LR Mystic caliber rating (stainless - 12.1 ounces): 22 Hornet 22 K Hornet 218 Bee 223 REM – 16" BBL 30 PPC – Subsonic 30 Carbine 32-20 357 MAG 221 Fireball 32 S&W Long 32 H&R Magnum 380 9X18 9X19 (Base Caliber) 38 Super 38 Special 38 S&W 357 Max – Subsonic 338 Spectre 300 BLK 300 Whisper 300/221 308 Win- Subsonic all rimfire cartridges 5.45x39MM Russian We now rate it for the 300 BLK in both supersonic and subsonic on an 8? barrel 7.62 X 39 MM FULL AUTO 300 BLACKOUT SUBSONIC AND SUPERSONIC. 6.8spc For a 5.56mm suppressor, I went with the M4-2000 |
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Spend the extra money and buy a Ti can. View Quote I took this advice and bought a Trek-T (10 oz. thread-on Ti 5.56 can from Gemtech). Now I just need the government to re-open so it can get transferred. As far as durability goes, I'm not planning on much if any full auto use, and the blast baffle on this can (the first baffle after the muzzle, which takes the brunt of the abuse) is Iconel. |
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In case it hasn't been mentioned yet, using a brake style mounting adapter instead of a flash hider adapter will help extend the life of the baffles in the can, especially on short barrel .223 or .308 where there is a lot of unburnt powder flying out of the muzzle.
The brake acts as a sacrificial baffle to block much of the unburnt powder from eroding the inside of the can. |
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Quoted: they are not all that much quieter- I can't understand why they are an NFA item a 22lr subsonic is much more effective sound wise unsuppressed. View Quote Yes, because dropping 165db down to 130-140 isn't considered 'effective'. And yes, I own one. If you're looking for hollywood quiet, look further, but to claim they aren't effective is silly. |
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I took this advice and bought a Trek-T (10 oz. thread-on Ti 5.56 can from Gemtech). Now I just need the government to re-open so it can get transferred. As far as durability goes, I'm not planning on much if any full auto use, and the blast baffle on this can (the first baffle after the muzzle, which takes the brunt of the abuse) is Iconel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Spend the extra money and buy a Ti can. I took this advice and bought a Trek-T (10 oz. thread-on Ti 5.56 can from Gemtech). Now I just need the government to re-open so it can get transferred. As far as durability goes, I'm not planning on much if any full auto use, and the blast baffle on this can (the first baffle after the muzzle, which takes the brunt of the abuse) is Iconel. The difference Ti makes compared to carbon steel is amazing. I don't have full auto so I don't care. It will out last me. |
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Quoted: How much lighter and corrosion resistant titanium is over stainless steel? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Just looking learn from others experience. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How much lighter and corrosion resistant titanium is over stainless steel? It's roughly 40-45% lighter than steel ....and the alloys resist corrosion and oxidation better than stainless steels. |
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Not to buy one.
They are still very loud. Lots of gas blowback. They just look cool, and are moderately fun. LOVE my .308 suppressor, and wish I would have gone in 9mm carbine and .22LR instead. |
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So nothing about weight, size, mounting type? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote I've learned, with my limited base of knowledge: 1. That i really, really like the weight of the YHM titanium cans vs. steel cans. a 6oz difference might not seem like much until you're hanging it on the tip of your barrel. 2. That i really, really hate the looks of the YHM mounts vs. others. they....are...fuckin....ugly. (but they work very well) 3. Thread on mounts (and thread over brake/FH) are a no-go anymore unless i was going to mount it to a bolt gun. They just wobble loose too easily on semi autos when you're running them hard. |
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1. .223 suppressors are not going to be anything like the movies. I shot mine for the first time next to an Anschutz .22LR target rifle using high-velocity .22LR and the unsuppressed Anschutz was quieter.
2. Suppressors get hot fast. Searingly hot. Nomex gloves are very handy. And you will sure learn to pay attention when you let your rifle hang on the sling. 3. Weight affects the balance. My can is 20oz and it sits on the muzzle which magnifies the effect of the weight. It made dynamic 3- gun style shooting harder for me. One thing that helped was to actually use a heavier stock like the UBR, which made the whole rifle heavier but acted kind of like a counterweight for balance. |
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Correct, with a slight addition. This thread needs more pics. <a href="http://s400.photobucket.com/user/223556762308/media/IMG_1393_zpscff8d005.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp84/223556762308/IMG_1393_zpscff8d005.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you're only buying one can get a SureFire .308 instead of a 5.56. Correct, with a slight addition. This thread needs more pics. <a href="http://s400.photobucket.com/user/223556762308/media/IMG_1393_zpscff8d005.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp84/223556762308/IMG_1393_zpscff8d005.jpg</a> Interesting way to carry a cleaning rod... |
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The difference Ti makes compared to carbon steel is amazing. I don't have full auto so I don't care. It will out last me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Spend the extra money and buy a Ti can. I took this advice and bought a Trek-T (10 oz. thread-on Ti 5.56 can from Gemtech). Now I just need the government to re-open so it can get transferred. As far as durability goes, I'm not planning on much if any full auto use, and the blast baffle on this can (the first baffle after the muzzle, which takes the brunt of the abuse) is Iconel. The difference Ti makes compared to carbon steel is amazing. I don't have full auto so I don't care. It will out last me. Regardless of whether you are shooting full-auto or not, the shorter the barrel the faster you'll wear out a suppressor shooting 5.56mm. IMO, I would not go with titanium if I was going to be doing most of my shooting with a 14.5" or less. |
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