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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:26:10 PM
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Hearing on the radio that .Mil has contracted with the local parishes to provide liturgical services for many bases since there's s lack of active duty Catholic chaplains.

With the shutdown, the local priests were told that their services would not be able to be paid for.

When the priests offered to volunteer their services to provide for the needs of their military parishioners, or even in cases where the people offered to pay for it, the administration told them that if they attempted to perform their duties on base they faced arrest.

I'll try to provide a hard source when I get home, but it sure seems like a pretty plain 1A lawsuit.

ETA - title change and clarification.

As I stated I heard this on the radio with no direct sourcing provided and thought it might be worth discussion. Thanks to the folks that provided actual and correct sources indicating that while BHO may be gleeful (given his previously expressed disdain for those who practice a traditional religion in America) it's not actually his doing, its sadly another case of governmental rules superseding any form of common sense or sympathy.

Regardless of your party affiliation or personal beliefs, that this is occurring should provide more than enough proof that we do not want the government involved in our health care, especially to the amount that it will be in the AHCA.

Thanks to the liberals for your snarky sniping. Jay Carney and the rest of the Liberal intelligentsia would be proud of the elitism you displayed in your defense of Dear Leader. Feel free to gloat at your next Potomac area cocktail party, faculty get together, union meeting or Young Pioneers Democrats gathering. I'm sure your retelling of the events surrounding this thread will provide much amusement to your fellow travelers.

Thanks also to those who provided evidence supporting that the administration really is making every effort to inflict the most social damage to the ordinary person - including our veterans... a fact that endures despite the misinformation this thread was based upon.

[MSM]We now return you to our non-stop coverage of "the end of American Civilization as we know it", brought to you courtesy of Racist Right Wing Anarchist Arsonistic Terrorists, DBA the (R)epublican Party, already in progress...[/MSM]
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In. And wtf?

So much for separation of church and state.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:29:49 PM
Faced arrest????.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By goldtop:
In. And wtf?

So much for separation of church and state.


so clueless.
let me guess, public school education?


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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:32:30 PM
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Faced arrest????.



My guess is they were told they would need a sponsor and pass to get on base, and couldn't just drive or stroll on. Of course going on base without a pass would probably result in...arrest.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:33:10 PM
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They got to make the shutdown sting, otherwise this whole dog and pony show was for nothing.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:33:23 PM
Boy they sure aren't letting a good crisis go to waste are they?

I can see some Democrat publicist salivating over the headline:

"Republican forced shutdown of government denies worship services to Catholic soldiers!"
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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:34:10 PM
It's true. It's on the website for the archdiocese of military services.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:34:43 PM
Cue face palm and relax.

This is a new fiscal year, so the new contracts (FY14) are unfunded.
Since we can't pay the contract we can't demand the services.
The government is also legally prohibited from accepting donations of services that are contracted but unpaid.

The priests, or organ players, or anyone else for that matter aren't going to be arrested. There's no authority to arrest.
If they do "get arrested" someone is not reading/following the law/their orders correctly.

The military chaplains who run the various chapels have already been directed they cannot accept donations of time and labor so they wll largely manage chapel access.

BLUF: Contractors with a contract start date of 1 OCT are not authorized to perform work. They are also NOT authorized to provide a gift to the government of their volunteer service. This includes musicians, DREs, and Catholic Contract Religious Ministry Professionals (CRMP). The "Excepted" category includes suicide and substance abuse counseling, other activities authorized by the Secretary of Defense to provide for the safety of life or protection of property" and "Emergency counseling and crisis intervention intake screening and referral services." "Generally speaking, contract for faith specific religious services (including music/religious education/weekend worship) do not fall into the above category because contractors are not first responders and there are uniformed Chaplains/Religious Program Specialists available to provide pastoral care and support in the above situations."

While you can hold services, chapel contractors are not authorized (even if they are willing to volunteer their services) to support your services or religious education.


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:
Originally Posted By goldtop:
In. And wtf?

So much for separation of church and state.



so clueless.
let me guess, public school education?






Hey, it's not my fault you don't understand subtlety and innuendo.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Cue face palm and relax.

This is a new fiscal year, so the new contracts (FY14) are unfunded.
Since we can't pay the contract we can't demand the services.
The government is also legally prohibited from accepting donations of services that are contracted but unpaid.

The priests, or organ players, or anyone else for that matter aren't going to be arrested. There's no authority to arrest.
If they do "get arrested" someone is not reading/following the law/their orders correctly.

The military chaplains who run the various chapels have already been directed they cannot accept donations of time and labor so they wll largely manage chapel access.

BLUF: Contractors with a contract start date of 1 OCT are not authorized to perform work. They are also NOT authorized to provide a gift to the government of their volunteer service. This includes musicians, DREs, and Catholic Contract Religious Ministry Professionals (CRMP). The "Excepted" category includes suicide and substance abuse counseling, other activities authorized by the Secretary of Defense to provide for the safety of life or protection of property" and "Emergency counseling and crisis intervention intake screening and referral services." "Generally speaking, contract for faith specific religious services (including music/religious education/weekend worship) do not fall into the above category because contractors are not first responders and there are uniformed Chaplains/Religious Program Specialists available to provide pastoral care and support in the above situations."

While you can hold services, chapel contractors are not authorized (even if they are willing to volunteer their services) to support your services or religious education.




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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:36:17 PM
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MurdocUSA:
They got to make the shutdown sting, otherwise this whole dog and pony show was for nothing.


This right here.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:39:05 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Tango7:
Hearing on the radio that .Mil has contracted with the local parishes to provide liturgical services for many bases since there's s lack of active duty Catholic chaplains.

With the shutdown, the local priests were told that their services would not be able to be paid for.

When the priests offered to volunteer their services to provide for the needs of their military parishioners, or even in cases where the people offered to pay for it, the administration told them that if they attempted to perform their duties on base they faced arrest.

I'll try to provide a hard source when I get home, but it sure seems like a pretty plain 1A lawsuit.

Can't allow someone to volunteer to perform work if they have been contracted to perform the same job. It's illegal, believe it or not.

That said, those in CONUS could always, you know, go to a Catholic Church out in town.
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Posted: 10/4/2013 4:39:05 PM
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Wow, guess he really is the Anti Christ after all. Fuck you Barack Hussein Shitstain!
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Wow guess he really is the Anti Christ after all. Fuck you Barack Hussein Shitstain!

React, don't read. Reading is for suckers. Reacting is for cool kids.
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The restriction only applies to those that are current employees, either contracted or GS. It is the exact same restriction for all furloughed federal employees. A local Catholic priest who is not a DoD employees would not be prohibited from volunteering his time. The problem, though, is what to do where there aren't any that can do this.

Obama didn't order it. Congress is the one who makes these rules And GD is the place where people were chearing this on. Now, it seems like everyday a new "well, we didn't mean that" exception pops up.

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That commie fucker HAS to be on dope...
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Cue face palm and relax.

This is a new fiscal year, so the new contracts (FY14) are unfunded.
Since we can't pay the contract we can't demand the services.
The government is also legally prohibited from accepting donations of services that are contracted but unpaid.

The priests, or organ players, or anyone else for that matter aren't going to be arrested. There's no authority to arrest.
If they do "get arrested" someone is not reading/following the law/their orders correctly.

The military chaplains who run the various chapels have already been directed they cannot accept donations of time and labor so they wll largely manage chapel access.

BLUF: Contractors with a contract start date of 1 OCT are not authorized to perform work. They are also NOT authorized to provide a gift to the government of their volunteer service. This includes musicians, DREs, and Catholic Contract Religious Ministry Professionals (CRMP). The "Excepted" category includes suicide and substance abuse counseling, other activities authorized by the Secretary of Defense to provide for the safety of life or protection of property" and "Emergency counseling and crisis intervention intake screening and referral services." "Generally speaking, contract for faith specific religious services (including music/religious education/weekend worship) do not fall into the above category because contractors are not first responders and there are uniformed Chaplains/Religious Program Specialists available to provide pastoral care and support in the above situations."

While you can hold services, chapel contractors are not authorized (even if they are willing to volunteer their services) to support your services or religious education.




That is just total bullshit.

I can just see it now. To the badly wounded soldier on the litter, "I'm sorry son, I wanted to pray with you but my contract just ended and they won't let me pray for you for free"

That is what that amounts to.

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Why is this only directed at Catholic Priests? No other clergy?
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Why is this only directed at Catholic Priests? No other clergy?


Because the OP heard it on the radio, presumably talk radio, and when has that ever been interested in giving you the whole story?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Snips:
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Why is this only directed at Catholic Priests? No other clergy?


Because the OP heard it on the radio, presumably talk radio, and when has that ever been interested in giving you the whole story?


yeah...we need the full story...like MSNBC supplies.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Cue face palm and relax.

This is a new fiscal year, so the new contracts (FY14) are unfunded.
Since we can't pay the contract we can't demand the services.
The government is also legally prohibited from accepting donations of services that are contracted but unpaid.

The priests, or organ players, or anyone else for that matter aren't going to be arrested. There's no authority to arrest.
If they do "get arrested" someone is not reading/following the law/their orders correctly.

The military chaplains who run the various chapels have already been directed they cannot accept donations of time and labor so they wll largely manage chapel access.

BLUF: Contractors with a contract start date of 1 OCT are not authorized to perform work. They are also NOT authorized to provide a gift to the government of their volunteer service. This includes musicians, DREs, and Catholic Contract Religious Ministry Professionals (CRMP). The "Excepted" category includes suicide and substance abuse counseling, other activities authorized by the Secretary of Defense to provide for the safety of life or protection of property" and "Emergency counseling and crisis intervention intake screening and referral services." "Generally speaking, contract for faith specific religious services (including music/religious education/weekend worship) do not fall into the above category because contractors are not first responders and there are uniformed Chaplains/Religious Program Specialists available to provide pastoral care and support in the above situations."

While you can hold services, chapel contractors are not authorized (even if they are willing to volunteer their services) to support your services or religious education.




This is all true.

If the services were/are contracted for, by law you cannot offer those services for free or donate the. You will be arrested.

This is only the case because the .mil is contracting out to the church for the services. It's a contracting law issue, not an Obama issue, other than the fact that they have been listed as non-essential. Obama actually doesn't have any say in it, it's the law.

Although, in general, FBHO.
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Originally Posted By Snips:
Originally Posted By azjeeper:
Why is this only directed at Catholic Priests? No other clergy?


Because the OP heard it on the radio, presumably talk radio, and when has that ever been interested in giving you the whole story?


yeah...we need the full story...like MSNBC supplies.


Or like some of our more rational members have provided...
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Just go to service off post?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By dport:
Originally Posted By Tango7:
Hearing on the radio that .Mil has contracted with the local parishes to provide liturgical services for many bases since there's s lack of active duty Catholic chaplains.

With the shutdown, the local priests were told that their services would not be able to be paid for.

When the priests offered to volunteer their services to provide for the needs of their military parishioners, or even in cases where the people offered to pay for it, the administration told them that if they attempted to perform their duties on base they faced arrest.

I'll try to provide a hard source when I get home, but it sure seems like a pretty plain 1A lawsuit.

Can't allow someone to volunteer to perform work if they have been contracted to perform the same job. It's illegal, believe it or not.

That said, those in CONUS could always, you know, go to a Catholic Church out in town.


Quiet you! We're rabbling here and grabbing pitchforks! Didn't you read the strawman in this thread that said if a soldier is wounded in combat and someone tries to pray with them Bareefer Obonghit "B-Rock the Islamic Shock Superallah" HUSSEIN will personally fly in and behead them as part of his jihad?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
The restriction only applies to those that are current employees, either contracted or GS. It is the exact same restriction for all furloughed federal employees. A local Catholic priest who is not a DoD employees would not be prohibited from volunteering his time.


I don't know if that is true. because there is a cvontract in place with a contractor, I don't believe the Govt can accept any donation of those contracted services from anyone. It would be a violation of the contract with the original contractor as well.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Cue face palm and relax.

This is a new fiscal year, so the new contracts (FY14) are unfunded.
Since we can't pay the contract we can't demand the services.
The government is also legally prohibited from accepting donations of services that are contracted but unpaid.

The priests, or organ players, or anyone else for that matter aren't going to be arrested. There's no authority to arrest.
If they do "get arrested" someone is not reading/following the law/their orders correctly.

The military chaplains who run the various chapels have already been directed they cannot accept donations of time and labor so they wll largely manage chapel access.



You're assuming their contracts are new and or haven't been funded with isn't necessarily true.
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Curious - in any previous shutdown has this ever been applied?

http://www.milarch.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=dwJXKgOUJiIaG&b=8486699&ct=13344123
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Excellent! The Obama administration is publicly showing their true colors. This stuff needs to be Tweeted and Facebook-ed like crazy!

Libs like to "raise awareness"....well, let's raise some "awareness".
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By mousehunter:
Curious - in any previous shutdown has this ever been applied?


The last real FY shutdown was what, 1995? Do some homework and get back to us on that...
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Yeah! rabble rabble rabble!



In other news, the guys who drive the truck on base to suck shit out of the port-a-potties aren't working, either.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By highstepper:
Excellent! The Obama administration is publicly showing their true colors. This stuff needs to be Tweeted and Facebook-ed like crazy!

Libs like to "raise awareness"....well, let's raise some "awareness".


Yeah! Inaccurate soundbytes are exactly what we need to raise awareness of!
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Wow, guess he really is the Anti Christ after all. Fuck you Barack Hussein Shitstain!
Welp, if he's not he's missing a good opportunity.









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Could not find it quickly, but will post this picture as it is funny enough. What I did find was this is an issue noted from advice of council - not necessarily a military ruling.

So these pictures might be as realistic.




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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Taft:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Cue face palm and relax.

This is a new fiscal year, so the new contracts (FY14) are unfunded.
Since we can't pay the contract we can't demand the services.
The government is also legally prohibited from accepting donations of services that are contracted but unpaid.

The priests, or organ players, or anyone else for that matter aren't going to be arrested. There's no authority to arrest.
If they do "get arrested" someone is not reading/following the law/their orders correctly.

The military chaplains who run the various chapels have already been directed they cannot accept donations of time and labor so they wll largely manage chapel access.

BLUF: Contractors with a contract start date of 1 OCT are not authorized to perform work. They are also NOT authorized to provide a gift to the government of their volunteer service. This includes musicians, DREs, and Catholic Contract Religious Ministry Professionals (CRMP). The "Excepted" category includes suicide and substance abuse counseling, other activities authorized by the Secretary of Defense to provide for the safety of life or protection of property" and "Emergency counseling and crisis intervention intake screening and referral services." "Generally speaking, contract for faith specific religious services (including music/religious education/weekend worship) do not fall into the above category because contractors are not first responders and there are uniformed Chaplains/Religious Program Specialists available to provide pastoral care and support in the above situations."

While you can hold services, chapel contractors are not authorized (even if they are willing to volunteer their services) to support your services or religious education.




That is just total bullshit.

I can just see it now. To the badly wounded soldier on the litter, "I'm sorry son, I wanted to pray with you but my contract just ended and they won't let me pray for you for free"

That is what that amounts to.



It's no different, legally, than the guy contracted to cook food, clean heads, mow the grass or take out the trash.

Thre's enough herp derp with all of this without creating more things to get in a snit about.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By pcsutton:
That commie fucker HAS to be on dope...

No more than the people who failed to read the responses explaining, in detail, the sensationalistic headline.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Taft:

That is just total bullshit.

I can just see it now. To the badly wounded soldier on the litter, "I'm sorry son, I wanted to pray with you but my contract just ended and they won't let me pray for you for free"

That is what that amounts to.


No it doesn't. I won't say that your post is the dumbest thing I've read all day, but it's in the top 3.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By azjeeper:
Why is this only directed at Catholic Priests? No other clergy?


Because there is worldwide shortage of Catolic Priests.

There is a chronic shortage of active duty Catholic chaplains. While roughly 25% of the military is Catholic, Catholic priests make up only about 8% of the chaplain corps.


There are sufficient uniformed Chaplains of other faiths.
In order to supplement the military contracts Catolic Priests to perform services.
So a Priest from a parish in the area is contracted by the military to travel to the installation and perform Mass.
Some may travel overnight to do this at a very rural installation.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By azjeeper:
Why is this only directed at Catholic Priests? No other clergy?

Right now there is a shortage of Priests in DoD. Not sure why that is, but the services have had to contract for Priests due to the shortage.

Other Christian faiths have adequate representation in the Chaplain Corps right now, so only Catholic Priests are being contracted for.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Cue face palm and relax.

This is a new fiscal year, so the new contracts (FY14) are unfunded.
Since we can't pay the contract we can't demand the services.
The government is also legally prohibited from accepting donations of services that are contracted but unpaid.

The priests, or organ players, or anyone else for that matter aren't going to be arrested. There's no authority to arrest.
If they do "get arrested" someone is not reading/following the law/their orders correctly.

The military chaplains who run the various chapels have already been directed they cannot accept donations of time and labor so they wll largely manage chapel access.



You're assuming their contracts are new and or haven't been funded with isn't necessarily true.

He isn't assuming. He's stating with authority. He's in a position to know.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Cue face palm and relax.

This is a new fiscal year, so the new contracts (FY14) are unfunded.
Since we can't pay the contract we can't demand the services.
The government is also legally prohibited from accepting donations of services that are contracted but unpaid.

The priests, or organ players, or anyone else for that matter aren't going to be arrested. There's no authority to arrest.
If they do "get arrested" someone is not reading/following the law/their orders correctly.

The military chaplains who run the various chapels have already been directed they cannot accept donations of time and labor so they wll largely manage chapel access.



You're assuming their contracts are new and or haven't been funded with isn't necessarily true.


I'm not assuming anything.
FT14 starts on 1 Oct 2013.
A mutli-year contract is still funded year-to-year.
FY14 funds have not been released.

Where do you suppose I got the quoted text I posted?
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Let them arrest. Call their bluff. Pile shit upon shit. Piss off the proletariat.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By goldtop:
In. And wtf?

So much for separation of church and state.


There is nothing in the Constitution that says church and state must be separate, that was an article in the federalist papers IIRC. The only thing that the Constitution says is that there cannot be a "state" religion.
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I'ld go ahead and do my job, arrest me if you want! I have God on my side !!!
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By dport:
Originally Posted By azjeeper:
Why is this only directed at Catholic Priests? No other clergy?

Right now there is a shortage of Priests in DoD. Not sure why that is, but the services have had to contract for Priests due to the shortage.

Other Christian faiths have adequate representation in the Chaplain Corps right now, so only Catholic Priests are being contracted for.


Probably because they are the only ones who take a vow of poverty, and wouldn't feel comfortable making Major or LtCol pay like all the other god squad does.
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