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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:14:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:15:18 PM EDT
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:16:22 PM EDT
The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop.

Fuck the ATF.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

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It's GD so I'm gonna go with "OH GOD THEY'RE OUTLAWING PISTOLS BUT I AIN'T GOT TIME TO READ IT".

And then 4 pages, two personal attacks and locked.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:30 PM EDT
Anything with them is bad. They'd like to make anything with a pistol grip nfa
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:17:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

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This
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:18:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

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Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:02 PM EDT
so, what do they want to do
?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:12 PM EDT
Motherfuck the ATF
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:19:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Daytona955i:


Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.
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Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.


how is that not a negative?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:20:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:21:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thepinkmist:


how is that not a negative?
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Originally Posted By thepinkmist:
Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.


how is that not a negative?


This.

Are they going to start saying that pistol AR's are actually SBRs?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:21:54 PM EDT
Is this aimed at that Sig X thingy?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:22:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.


I'd like to see the goofy as wording they'll have to work out for that one.

Unless the make exceptions by name.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:23:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.


Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:24:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.

haha Fuck them, I already paid to have a Draco, AR pistol, and HK SP89 into NFA SBRs haha.

ohh yeah $600 for a short barrel and stock ummm. Fuck them...
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Roebuck:
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Ar pistols will no longer be considered pistols, possibly in the future these will be NFA only.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.

That would make sense.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:48 PM EDT
Sounds like they want to shitcan ar and ak pistols.

In states that don't allow sbr, we are fucked again.

I would presume no more of the mare's leg type lever guns as well.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:28:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FP2000H:
The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop.

Fuck the ATF.
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I'm ok with that.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.



That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.

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Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:27 PM EDT
They're currently going after trusts. Now they're trying to go after pistol ARs?

Was only a matter of time.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:29:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 9mmRandy:


Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico.

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Originally Posted By 9mmRandy:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.


Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico.



Well that would be like admitting they fucked up. Can't have that.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:31:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:32:03 PM EDT
it looks as though they are simply removing a redundancy about making a pistol out of a rifle...
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:32:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:



That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.

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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.



That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.

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I think you are onto something.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:33:16 PM EDT
If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it. If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:33:52 PM EDT
I see it as going after pistol griped shotguns and lever action mare's legs, since they are not reloaded solely by the trigger. An ar pistol isn't a modified rifle but rather built from the start as a pistol. You can't take a rifle and make it into a pistol legally now.

???
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:34:21 PM EDT
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fucks sake, what are they doing and who are they doing it too?

Does anyone know?

From what I understand it means you cant make a gun with a stock into a pistol. But that has been the law forever.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:36:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Schlange:


Well that would be like admitting they fucked up purposely broke the law. Can't have that.
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Originally Posted By Schlange:
Originally Posted By 9mmRandy:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.


Why don't they do something productive.. Like get the guns back they lost in Mexico.



Well that would be like admitting they fucked up purposely broke the law. Can't have that.
Fixed it, for honesty.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:36:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4)
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translation we are taking this part out because we already say it here
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:39:26 PM EDT
Start llc, get sot class 1, sell .001% shares of llc to friends that want to get cool class 3 stuff without a wait.

What could go wrong?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:40:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
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When has it ever been positive?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:41:13 PM EDT
It doesn't show up on regulations.gov yet
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:13 PM EDT
I'm not sure about the second part, because the definition sounds sort of machinegun like, but the first part about things that don't resemble guns, it to make things like brass knuckle guns into AOW.
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:42:16 PM EDT
Reading it, they seem to be trying to find a way to change the "rifle to pistol to rifle" thing.

IE, they want to make it so you cant build a rifle into a pistol
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:43:06 PM EDT
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Have they opened that convenience store yet?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:51:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By superbowtie:
I see it as going after pistol griped shotguns and lever action mare's legs, since they are not reloaded solely by the trigger. An ar pistol isn't a modified rifle but rather built from the start as a pistol. You can't take a rifle and make it into a pistol legally now.

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Maybe Sig's "arm brace" and pistol-caliber carbine with attached supressor core (er, I meant to say "muzzle break") have pushed them into doing SOMETHING - just anything - to push back & tow the line.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:52:57 PM EDT
Am I an idiot, or does no one know anything?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:54:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:55:12 PM EDT
So.... Time to panic buy pistol lowers?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:56:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By VBC:
If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it. If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies.
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You cant do that anyways. A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR. A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp.
Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity.

See, clear as mud
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:56:51 PM EDT
How do you know it's being revived?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:57:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:



That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.

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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.



That is later. I think the idea is to bring over 26 inch under 18 inch barreled shotguns into the registry. Right now they are just firearms per at least 3 letters.

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SONOFABITCH!

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 6:57:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BladedRonin:

You cant do that anyways. A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR. A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp.
Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity.

See, clear as mud
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Originally Posted By BladedRonin:
Originally Posted By VBC:
If the AR started out as a pistol, then I would say the rule doesn't apply to it. If you take an existing rifle/carbine AR and turn it into a pistol then I would say it applies.

You cant do that anyways. A virgin receiver for an AR can become a lower, a pistol lower, or an SBR. A rifle can become a pistol or a SBR, but only w a tax stamp.
Once it has had a stock on it, the 'rifle' has 'lost' its virginity.

See, clear as mud


It did say they wanted to clarify it.

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 7:00:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Daytona955i:


Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.
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Originally Posted By Daytona955i:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us.
What guns?
Link Posted: 9/27/2013 7:00:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By haydendavid380:
Dumb it down.

Negative or positive step?


I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA.
How with out making other semi autos NFA?

Link Posted: 9/27/2013 7:01:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
They're currently going after trusts. Now they're trying to go after pistol ARs?

Was only a matter of time.

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This is coming straight down from Obama. He's looking for any outlet to restrict gun rights that he can slip by the courts and Congress. Everything is incremental steps with these guys. You have to look 5 or 6 steps and 10 years down the line to get a feel for what they're doing. Of course they'll lie to your face and say they don't want to force AR and AK pistols under NFA rules, but that's exactly what they're aiming for... pun intended.

They are some conniving bastards.
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