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Posted: 9/23/2013 2:48:44 PM
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WAVY: Boys suspended for airsoft guns in yard
"VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (WAVY) - Monday, a suspended seventh grade Virginia Beach student will find out if he is expelled for the rest of the year for shooting an airsoft gun.

Like thousands of others in Hampton Roads, Khalid Caraballo plays with airsoft guns. Caraballo and his friend Aidan were suspended because they shot two other friends who were with them while playing with the guns as they waited for the bus to come.

WAVY News’ Andy Fox spoke with Khalid and asked if he took the gun to the bus stop or school. Khalid answered “No, sir,” to both questions."
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Idiots.
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Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time
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Posted: 9/23/2013 2:57:30 PM
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 2:58:29 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time

Yup!

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Posted: 9/23/2013 2:58:47 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time

This. OWN that school district by the time their lawyer is done...


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Posted: 9/23/2013 2:59:19 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time


Yes, this shit has gotten beyond absurd. If this keeps up, eventually children who have gun owning parents will be barred from public schools.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 2:59:51 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time


Yep, with a side of
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As a boy my friends and I would run the neighborhood playing 'Army' with full size black plastic M16s, this was before blaze orange muzzles. I could only imagine what would happen to a group of boys doing that today. I suspect they would be arrested and taken to jail and the parents stripped of custody.

I fear at some point I will have to deal with the idiocy that is 'zero tolerance' first hand.
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"Zero Tolerance" is a lazy way to run anything
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.


I guess you're one of those troglodytes who thinks he owns his child.


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time


Exactly! There's no grounds for suspension.

Granted I think the kids are fucking idiots for shooting at each other, but... if this is allowed to pass, then what's to stop them from suspending all children who own airguns. Or children who have been taught how to fire real guns by their parents / guardians?


They are overstepping their rights here.
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Didn't watch it but if it happened "at the bus stop" they treat them as school property, not that it can't be fought.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time

This.
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The school isn't responsible for them until they get on the bus
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.


I guess you're one of those troglodytes who thinks he owns his child.

http://youtu.be/hAAMGatMHss

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I was in grade school in the sixites. We couldn't take toy guns to school then , either. This was in a blue collar river town, not some liberal mecca.
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Lol, I remember in one class in high school one of the trouble makers had a tiny airsoft pistol up his hoodie sleeve, watching him shoot others when we were supposed to be quiet was rather amusing
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time


A teacher tried that with me in high school.

I got into a fight off school grounds (over a mile away) after school. The guy told a teacher the next day when the teacher asked about the black eye. The teacher then went to the Dean and I got called into the office. The teacher and Dean tried to threaten me with the police. I told them to "go ahead and get the school police officer in here". They called him and he came in, they relayed the story, and he asked for clarification on where the fight took place. I told him where and he looks at the teacher and Dean like they were the biggest fucking morons on Earth and said it wasn't on school property so they had no jurisdiction. So he walked out and went on his way. They still tried to BS me with a suspension so I said "good luck with that" and walked out.

Now the police officer was a cool guy and had a good relationship with the students. He stopped me in the hall and told me to "cut that shit out". I had an assistant Dean get from my next class and haul me to the Principal's office. He didn't try to BS me with the other stuff just told me to get my life together and make something of myself. Good guy IMO. He retired the day I graduated.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.


I guess you're one of those troglodytes who thinks he owns his child.

http://youtu.be/hAAMGatMHss
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By callgood:

I guess you're one of those troglodytes who thinks he owns his child.

http://youtu.be/hAAMGatMHss

My Grandmother got to experience that first-hand in the Ukraine after the Commies took over.

10 years old and "given" to a Commune farm as slave labor.

Fuck... that... shit.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.


I guess you're one of those troglodytes who thinks he owns his child.

http://youtu.be/hAAMGatMHss



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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Ameshawki:
I was in grade school in the sixites. We couldn't take toy guns to school then , either. This was in a blue collar river town, not some liberal mecca.


Huh? Where did it say he took it to school?

I think the schools should inspect every student's home to be sure they only play with approved toys.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.


I guess you're one of those troglodytes who thinks he owns his child.

http://youtu.be/hAAMGatMHss


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.


they always have. people think I am crazy when I tell them that if your child goes to public school, you no longer are the guardian of your child. the public school system is.
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So apparently the Virginia Beach BOE code says this:

Virginia law gives the school board the power to make reasonable rules for the government of the schools and to regulate the conduct of students going to and returning from school.

Students shall be under the jurisdiction of the rules and regulations governing school activities while in transit to and from school as a pedestrian in route to the bus or at the bus stop and while riding on a school bus.


So they claim they are in charge of your kids as soon as they walk out the door in the morning.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Ameshawki:
I was in grade school in the sixites. We couldn't take toy guns to school then , either. This was in a blue collar river town, not some liberal mecca.


I grew up in SE OK in the 70's and 80's. we took rifles and shotguns to go hunting after school. we checked them in at the principles office.
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I wish they would have posted the name of the school. We could have given them our 2 cents directly.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By jeep450:
Didn't watch it but if it happened "at the bus stop" they treat them as school property, not that it can't be fought.



Thats pretty obvious

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.


I guess you're one of those troglodytes who thinks he owns his child.

http://youtu.be/hAAMGatMHss


That right there should send a chill up your spine (if its not already been removed by the .gov and its insidious agents) regarding where the "progressives" want to take this country.
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Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time


+1

Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.

Especially the "loco" part.
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I got my parking pass suspended for passing a teacher who pulled out in front of me five miles from the school.
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...got to break those bumpkins away from their Bibles and guns. If public schools are administered locally why is it that ones in conservative precincts end up being run by liberal douche nozzles?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
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Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time


I got my parking pass suspended for passing a teacher who pulled out in front of me five miles from the school.


Wow.
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How does an Airsoft gun constitute a firearm. Why would you want your child in an institution with so much ignorance. Is a Nerf gun now a firearm, is a squirt gun a firearm. is a Stick that is shaped like and wielded in the fashion of a gun a firearm. What if a kid just imagines a toy gun not even pointing his finger does that constitute a firearm?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By jeep450:
Didn't watch it but if it happened "at the bus stop" they treat them as school property, not that it can't be fought.


WAVY News’ Andy Fox spoke with Khalid and asked if he took the gun to the bus stop or school. Khalid answered “No, sir,” to both questions."


Besides "bus stop" doesn't automatically mean "school property" anyway. Where I grew up the bus stopped in front of my driveway. I'm sure that hasn't gone away entirely yet.


and that's what this sounds like... kids fucking around on private property.
now if it turns out that they did bring the airsoft to the school etc, or to a public bus stop that's a different story, but for now it sounds like a school trying to extend their jurisdiction to private property.


Originally Posted By JDtalon:
How does an Airsoft gun constitute a firearm. Why would you want your child in an institution with so much ignorance. Is a Nerf gun now a firearm, is a squirt gun a firearm. is a Stick that is shaped like and wielded in the fashion of a gun a firearm. What if a kid just imagines a toy gun not even pointing his finger does that constitute a firearm?

Sadly... yes. Schools have punished students for "finger guns" and pop-tarts in the shape of guns (to me it looked more like Idaho). Oh and for NRA shirts, and facebook posts too don't forget.


they've gone off the deep fucking end... into an empty pool. head first.
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Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time

Silly peasant the children are state property! The government will decide what is best from them not some fools cling to their guns and religion.

Seems like the Carlisle all over again.
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Zero Tolerance was meant to be a blanket to protect the Administrators and Educators from cries of 'Racism!'

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time

Yep, but this type of shit is pretty common. I.e. punishments for stuff unrelated to school and off grounds.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By geekz0r:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Didn't watch it but if it happened "at the bus stop" they treat them as school property, not that it can't be fought.


WAVY News’ Andy Fox spoke with Khalid and asked if he took the gun to the bus stop or school. Khalid answered “No, sir,” to both questions."


Besides "bus stop" doesn't automatically mean "school property" anyway. Where I grew up the bus stopped in front of my driveway. I'm sure that hasn't gone away entirely yet.


and that's what this sounds like... kids fucking around on private property.
now if it turns out that they did bring the airsoft to the school etc, or to a public bus stop that's a different story, but for now it sounds like a school trying to extend their jurisdiction to private property.


Originally Posted By JDtalon:
How does an Airsoft gun constitute a firearm. Why would you want your child in an institution with so much ignorance. Is a Nerf gun now a firearm, is a squirt gun a firearm. is a Stick that is shaped like and wielded in the fashion of a gun a firearm. What if a kid just imagines a toy gun not even pointing his finger does that constitute a firearm?

Sadly... yes. Schools have punished students for "finger guns" and pop-tarts in the shape of guns (to me it looked more like Idaho). Oh and for NRA shirts, and facebook posts too don't forget.


they've gone off the deep fucking end... into an empty pool. head first.


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By jeep450:
Didn't watch it but if it happened "at the bus stop" they treat them as school property, not that it can't be fought.

What "bus stop"?


My "bus stop" growing up was the corner of 2 blocks in my subdividsion. Which is how it works here in the subdivision I currently live in.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By 40xb-shooter:
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Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time


A teacher tried that with me in high school.

I got into a fight off school grounds (over a mile away) after school. The guy told a teacher the next day when the teacher asked about the black eye. The teacher then went to the Dean and I got called into the office. The teacher and Dean tried to threaten me with the police. I told them to "go ahead and get the school police officer in here". They called him and he came in, they relayed the story, and he asked for clarification on where the fight took place. I told him where and he looks at the teacher and Dean like they were the biggest fucking morons on Earth and said it wasn't on school property so they had no jurisdiction. So he walked out and went on his way. They still tried to BS me with a suspension so I said "good luck with that" and walked out.

Now the police officer was a cool guy and had a good relationship with the students. He stopped me in the hall and told me to "cut that shit out". I had an assistant Dean get from my next class and haul me to the Principal's office. He didn't try to BS me with the other stuff just told me to get my life together and make something of myself. Good guy IMO. He retired the day I graduated.


Here, an individual would face school consequences if the off campus behavior seriously disrupted the educational process. In some instances, an off campus fight could do that the next day when students were caught up discussing the fight (instead of participating in class), etc...
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By shade_1313:
Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By MMcCall:
They're really taking this in loco parentis bullshit seriously.


I guess you're one of those troglodytes who thinks he owns his child.

http://youtu.be/hAAMGatMHss
And if she's feeling froggy, she can come and try to take him. What she'd end up taking is two to the chest and one to the head.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By geekz0r:
Originally Posted By jeep450:
Didn't watch it but if it happened "at the bus stop" they treat them as school property, not that it can't be fought.


WAVY News’ Andy Fox spoke with Khalid and asked if he took the gun to the bus stop or school. Khalid answered "No, sir,” to both questions."


Besides "bus stop" doesn't automatically mean "school property" anyway. Where I grew up the bus stopped in front of my driveway. I'm sure that hasn't gone away entirely yet.


and that's what this sounds like... kids fucking around on private property.
now if it turns out that they did bring the airsoft to the school etc, or to a public bus stop that's a different story, but for now it sounds like a school trying to extend their jurisdiction to private property.


Originally Posted By JDtalon:
How does an Airsoft gun constitute a firearm. Why would you want your child in an institution with so much ignorance. Is a Nerf gun now a firearm, is a squirt gun a firearm. is a Stick that is shaped like and wielded in the fashion of a gun a firearm. What if a kid just imagines a toy gun not even pointing his finger does that constitute a firearm?

Sadly... yes. Schools have punished students for "finger guns" and pop-tarts in the shape of guns (to me it looked more like Idaho). Oh and for NRA shirts, and facebook posts too don't forget.


they've gone off the deep fucking end... into an empty pool. head first.
I do not recall them classifying the pop tart as a firearm. If memory serves me right he got in trouble for making it look like a firearm and not making a firearm. It is a much bigger leap into the pool of insanity to start classifying pop tarts as firearms. that was my point
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Suspending a kid for playing with a toy OFF school grounds? WTF?

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Originally Posted By Mikhail_86:
Wait... suspended for something harmless that happened OFF school grounds? Lawyer time


A teacher tried that with me in high school.

I got into a fight off school grounds (over a mile away) after school. The guy told a teacher the next day when the teacher asked about the black eye. The teacher then went to the Dean and I got called into the office. The teacher and Dean tried to threaten me with the police. I told them to "go ahead and get the school police officer in here". They called him and he came in, they relayed the story, and he asked for clarification on where the fight took place. I told him where and he looks at the teacher and Dean like they were the biggest fucking morons on Earth and said it wasn't on school property so they had no jurisdiction. So he walked out and went on his way. They still tried to BS me with a suspension so I said "good luck with that" and walked out.

Now the police officer was a cool guy and had a good relationship with the students. He stopped me in the hall and told me to "cut that shit out". I had an assistant Dean get from my next class and haul me to the Principal's office. He didn't try to BS me with the other stuff just told me to get my life together and make something of myself. Good guy IMO. He retired the day I graduated.


Here, an individual would face school consequences if the off campus behavior seriously disrupted the educational process. In some instances, an off campus fight could do that the next day when students were caught up discussing the fight (instead of participating in class), etc...


Wow. Well this was over 10 years ago before schools got bad by current examples.

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