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Posted: 9/7/2013 12:49:09 PM EDT
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What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ? Just more public leeches. Oh, I'm so in for this.... Look in the bear pit for the upcoming action. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 12:51:56 PM EDT
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It sucks, but it's also predictable. Getting employers involved in paying for health care was a lousy idea... and lousy ideas usually have painful consequences. The shittiest part is that the pain isn't going to hurt the one's most responsible for the bad decisions.  Getting employers involved wasn't the idea, it grew out if the FDR price and wage controls of the New Deal. Still, getting the federal government involved is an extra shitty idea. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 12:58:11 PM EDT
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My work is opening their own doctor's office on campus for employees and retirees. I don't know yet what all the benefits and downfalls of that will be, but it's something we might start seeing more of. The City of Clarksville, TN just did this too. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 1:32:20 PM EDT
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Here is a comparison of healthcare cost US vs world. http://qualityhealthcareplease.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/high-price-for-a-new-hip-charges-because-they-can/ We are getting ripped off by the current system. I know a lot of you are in the public sector have all med cost paid for by the Fed and support the current ways. The private sector is getting killed by healthcare cost in this country. American corporations have to compete worldwide. If you have to pay $7000 per employee health benefit, your competitor in ...say Belgium pays $2000. You are not going to compete. like what happened to GM. We have the worst form of socialized medicine today. Gov't pays 60%+ all costs to what the providers demand. Obamacare could turn the table in time for gov't to dictate pricing. Bad for the doctors, HMO executives. So much fail... GM Sheesh you must be trolling. No one can be that stupid. but if you are Liberal. I guess you can. I just don't have the energy or interest to enlighten you, and I'd don't think you'd listen anyway. Doctors are self driven people. You have to be to have the discipline to even GET TO Medical school much less through it, Do you think these people are going to sign onto being dictated to by the government. Nope, they will quit as soon as they can take their money and go. Many WILL NEVER BECOME A DOCTOR AT ALL. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 1:50:11 PM EDT
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International Business Machines Corp. plans to move about 110,000 retirees off its company-sponsored health plan and instead give them a payment to buy coverage on a health-insurance exchange, in a sign that even big, well-capitalized employers aren't likely to keep providing the once-common benefits as medical costs continue to rise. The move, which will affect all IBM retirees once they become eligible for Medicare, will relieve the technology company of the responsibility of managing retirement health-care benefits. IBM said the growing cost of care makes its current plan unsustainable without big premium increases. IBM will provide a payment to buy coverage, when retirees turn 65. They are getting out of managing the benefits. i can almost promise you the payment will not be equal to the cost of the benifits they are losing. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 1:53:12 PM EDT
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They moved most employees to a cash pension plan back in 1999 or so, so this practice isn't very common today Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement. They moved most employees to a cash pension plan back in 1999 or so, so this practice isn't very common today i was part of that move. i lost count at the number of long term IBM'rs that were "laid off" a few months ahead of retirement right up until i left 6 years ago. while ibm did move the plans their were a number of other benefits including medical that were part of the initial hire package on hire.the pension was gone officialy around 2000 iirc. but only the pension. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 1:55:14 PM EDT
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So much fail... GM Sheesh you must be trolling. No one can be that stupid. but if you are Liberal. I guess you can. I just don't have the energy or interest to enlighten you, and I'd don't think you'd listen anyway. Doctors are self driven people. You have to be to have the discipline to even GET TO Medical school much less through it, Do you think these people are going to sign onto being dictated to by the government. Nope, they will quit as soon as they can take their money and go. Many WILL NEVER BECOME A DOCTOR AT ALL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is a comparison of healthcare cost US vs world. http://qualityhealthcareplease.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/high-price-for-a-new-hip-charges-because-they-can/ We are getting ripped off by the current system. I know a lot of you are in the public sector have all med cost paid for by the Fed and support the current ways. The private sector is getting killed by healthcare cost in this country. American corporations have to compete worldwide. If you have to pay $7000 per employee health benefit, your competitor in ...say Belgium pays $2000. You are not going to compete. like what happened to GM. We have the worst form of socialized medicine today. Gov't pays 60%+ all costs to what the providers demand. Obamacare could turn the table in time for gov't to dictate pricing. Bad for the doctors, HMO executives. So much fail... GM Sheesh you must be trolling. No one can be that stupid. but if you are Liberal. I guess you can. I just don't have the energy or interest to enlighten you, and I'd don't think you'd listen anyway. Doctors are self driven people. You have to be to have the discipline to even GET TO Medical school much less through it, Do you think these people are going to sign onto being dictated to by the government. Nope, they will quit as soon as they can take their money and go. Many WILL NEVER BECOME A DOCTOR AT ALL. Last I checked. There are still lots of doctors around in Europe. An American can go to country like Belgium get first rate surgery for $20k out of pocket. The same surgery could cost $70k here. You can not explain this away with liabilities or burden of uninsured people. The current system doesn't work. Adopting the European system could be vast improvement. Half the people who have insurance in this country are either public employees or employees of corporations getting big fat checks from the government. This is edging out the private sector. Corporations like Apple, Microsoft can afford the best healthcare for their employees. Unionized workers can force their employer to pay. Small companies, self employed folks , the other half of the country are left to fend for themselves. Paying for healthcare at greatly inflated price or not having it. And we are the tax payers that paid for the public sectors healthcare bill. I already explained my public leech statement in another thread so I will not bring it up here. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 2:07:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2013 2:12:39 PM EDT
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Last I checked. There are still lots of doctors around in Europe. An American can go to country like Belgium get first rate surgery for $20k out of pocket. The same surgery could cost $70k here. You can not explain this away with liabilities or burden of uninsured people. The current system doesn't work. Adopting the European system could be vast improvement. Half the people who have insurance in this country are either public employees or employees of corporations getting big fat checks from the government. This is edging out the private sector. Corporations like Apple, Microsoft can afford the best healthcare for their employees. Unionized workers can force their employer to pay. Small companies, self employed folks , the other half of the country are left to fend for themselves. Paying for healthcare at greatly inflated price or not having it. And we are the tax payers that paid for the public sectors healthcare bill. I already explained my public leech statement in another thread so I will not bring it up here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is a comparison of healthcare cost US vs world. http://qualityhealthcareplease.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/high-price-for-a-new-hip-charges-because-they-can/ We are getting ripped off by the current system. I know a lot of you are in the public sector have all med cost paid for by the Fed and support the current ways. The private sector is getting killed by healthcare cost in this country. American corporations have to compete worldwide. If you have to pay $7000 per employee health benefit, your competitor in ...say Belgium pays $2000. You are not going to compete. like what happened to GM. We have the worst form of socialized medicine today. Gov't pays 60%+ all costs to what the providers demand. Obamacare could turn the table in time for gov't to dictate pricing. Bad for the doctors, HMO executives. So much fail... GM Sheesh you must be trolling. No one can be that stupid. but if you are Liberal. I guess you can. I just don't have the energy or interest to enlighten you, and I'd don't think you'd listen anyway. Doctors are self driven people. You have to be to have the discipline to even GET TO Medical school much less through it, Do you think these people are going to sign onto being dictated to by the government. Nope, they will quit as soon as they can take their money and go. Many WILL NEVER BECOME A DOCTOR AT ALL. Last I checked. There are still lots of doctors around in Europe. An American can go to country like Belgium get first rate surgery for $20k out of pocket. The same surgery could cost $70k here. You can not explain this away with liabilities or burden of uninsured people. The current system doesn't work. Adopting the European system could be vast improvement. Half the people who have insurance in this country are either public employees or employees of corporations getting big fat checks from the government. This is edging out the private sector. Corporations like Apple, Microsoft can afford the best healthcare for their employees. Unionized workers can force their employer to pay. Small companies, self employed folks , the other half of the country are left to fend for themselves. Paying for healthcare at greatly inflated price or not having it. And we are the tax payers that paid for the public sectors healthcare bill. I already explained my public leech statement in another thread so I will not bring it up here. Get a brain moran. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 2:13:49 PM EDT
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Yeah I hate to break the news to him(OP), but he will dictate NOTHING. To anyone. In England, if you try to DICTATE*, they let you die by dehydration. (* or are just "old") |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 2:23:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2013 2:24:05 PM EDT
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forget it The European system works pretty good over there. No reason it can't here. A lot of bitching on Obamacare came from people who are actually enjoying public paid healthcare. I paid for your healthcare, I paid my own healthcare. Those of you whose healthcare I paid for have no ground to stand on. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 2:39:38 PM EDT
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. I paid for your healthcare,. Wrong-o, bucko! My company pays for my healthcare and they deduct it from my pay. The only "healthcare" that "you" as a taxpayer pay for is the Medicare I will likely never receive. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 3:22:09 PM EDT
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Both my parents retired from IBM, they just got envelopes in the mail yesterday. I hope this isn't as bad as I am expecting.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 3:23:55 PM EDT
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Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. You can dictate what professions people choose? lol |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 3:27:42 PM EDT
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OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE. Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?  QFT. Everyone will be forced into the single payer system that they want. Except the really wealth or connected who will simply ignore and litigate the problem or leave the USA all together. Next will be to drive private insurance companies out of business. BTW IBM is leaving the USA. They see what is going on and they are leaving. There will be no announcement. They will just be gone. Its not like they have a huge presence state side anyway. From the analyst reports I've read, IBM was almost 50% US when I started (late 2007), and it's dropped to about 10% now. That was a combination of big layoffs in the US and more than doubling the non-US workforce though. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 3:28:58 PM EDT
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Just saw that. This is not good news. I bet a metric shit ton of those retirees are AARP members. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 4:08:24 PM EDT
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Our government is a failure of a business, which is incapable of turning a profit (or even breaking even) without resorting to taxing its citizens more and more heavily in order to keep itself afloat. Then instead of just staying afloat, they try to grow even bigger and more powerful, which requires- yep even more taxes. A huge failure and only getting worse. No other business anywhere could sustain that mindset, but our government will continue taking from us until there's nothing left.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 4:22:09 PM EDT
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I already explained my public leech statement admitted to being an anti-military troll in another thread so I will not bring it up here. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I already explained my public leech statement admitted to being an anti-military troll in another thread so I will not bring it up here. FIFY...Or is it Quoted:
I already explained my public leech statement in another thread so I will not bring it up here since I view anyone who questions my statements as worthy of less than contempt, and the aforementioned leeches as too stupid to understand it anyway. Inquiring public leeches, their friends and family want to know. Just to be accurate. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 4:23:33 PM EDT
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I hope this wakes up a whole bunch of people.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 4:30:29 PM EDT
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Let me chime in here. I worked for that POS company for 8 years. Now, back in the day, the old timers said it was a great place to work. After Bush got in, he opened the doors to the H1B visas and the rest is history. Their plan, the "roadkill to 2015" is to get rid of 80% or American workers. Move, offshore, all the work overseas to cheap labor. It's not the company it used to be. It's driven by greedy executives making millions and screw the common worker. If you want so see what IBM is doing to the American worker go to:
http://www.endicottalliance.org/ I'm glad I've been out of that shithole for the past 6 years. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 4:37:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i can almost promise you the payment will not be equal to the cost of the benefits they are losing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: International Business Machines Corp. plans to move about 110,000 retirees off its company-sponsored health plan and instead give them a payment to buy coverage on a health-insurance exchange... i can almost promise you the payment will not be equal to the cost of the benefits they are losing. We have a winner. If it was going to cost IBM more, then IBM would not be doing it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 5:19:53 PM EDT
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IBM has going downhill for awhile.. not sure when but they used to be BIG.. like in the 90's... they may have some good years in between but I think overall they are dying.. thus this move doesn't come as a surprise.
Healthcare has issues.... they need to limit the BS lawsuits, limit the ridiculous charges for meds/etc.. the problem is uninsured people. My father had heart attack surgery they billed him $100,000 and eventually accepted around $35,000 apparently they over charge due to people who don't have insurance... so people who work and pay for stuff end up paying for those who don't.. same concept as any store and theft.. do you think the thieves pay for the losses? Doctor's make mistakes.. but that doesn't mean that you deserve $25 million when in reality you wouldn't earn that much money in 30 years of working for a living! 30 years @ $50,000 per year = $1.5 Million minus taxes why does anyone deserve a crazy ass settlement.. it depends on what happens but worst case scenario someone is killed by the doctor's mistake.. they shouldn't get more than $5 million and they should ELIMINATE the entire BS in between.. lawyers/hospital/court/etc I'm in favor of Government controlled Health-care... not saying obamacare.. not saying 'our' government.. as it's pretty obvious that they don't know how to run a business. I'm also in favor of overhaulin' the Government/System I'm also in favor of you get what you earned.. you work for 30 years and are promised things and don't get them.. pretty damn shitty.. you get pay cuts/higher insurance copays and some CEO gets a $15 million bonus the system is broken |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 5:29:38 PM EDT
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FIFY...Or is it Inquiring public leeches, their friends and family want to know. Just to be accurate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I already explained my public leech statement admitted to being an anti-military troll in another thread so I will not bring it up here. FIFY...Or is it Quoted:
I already explained my public leech statement in another thread so I will not bring it up here since I view anyone who questions my statements as worthy of less than contempt, and the aforementioned leeches as too stupid to understand it anyway. Inquiring public leeches, their friends and family want to know. Just to be accurate. please send me that link |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 5:31:23 PM EDT
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Hey Texas... you guys are usually pretty up to speed about things like this... somebody want to give this guy a ride home? He obviously drank too much crazy last night. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.
Hey Texas... you guys are usually pretty up to speed about things like this... somebody want to give this guy a ride home? He obviously drank too much crazy last night. Unfortunately it's a big state, makes rounding him up and booting him over to New Mexico a little difficult. Though I think his native land is DU |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 5:32:15 PM EDT
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IBM has going downhill for awhile.. not sure when but they used to be BIG.. like in the 90's... they may have some good years in between but I think overall they are dying.. thus this move doesn't come as a surprise. Healthcare has issues.... they need to limit the BS lawsuits, limit the ridiculous charges for meds/etc.. the problem is uninsured people. My father had heart attack surgery they billed him $100,000 and eventually accepted around $35,000 apparently they over charge due to people who don't have insurance... so people who work and pay for stuff end up paying for those who don't.. same concept as any store and theft.. do you think the thieves pay for the losses? Doctor's make mistakes.. but that doesn't mean that you deserve $25 million when in reality you wouldn't earn that much money in 30 years of working for a living! 30 years @ $50,000 per year = $1.5 Million minus taxes why does anyone deserve a crazy ass settlement.. it depends on what happens but worst case scenario someone is killed by the doctor's mistake.. they shouldn't get more than $5 million and they should ELIMINATE the entire BS in between.. lawyers/hospital/court/etc I'm in favor of Government controlled Health-care... not saying obamacare.. not saying 'our' government.. as it's pretty obvious that they don't know how to run a business. I'm also in favor of overhaulin' the Government/System I'm also in favor of you get what you earned.. you work for 30 years and are promised things and don't get them.. pretty damn shitty.. you get pay cuts/higher insurance copays and some CEO gets a $15 million bonus the system is broken they are not dying, they have completely changed their business model from one of production to a company based on research and services. they no longer produce much of anything. the buy and rebrand other companies hardware and buy up software groups for applications they want. they then move production and support overseas. beyond enterprise level IT equipment they are pretty much out of the hardware business. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 5:33:07 PM EDT
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Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals. According to the board they are all in California. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals. According to the board they are all in California. There's a lot of them here unfortunately. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 5:33:58 PM EDT
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Pretty much. A couple years back I cashed out just about everything I had and bought pretty much the closest thing to a recession-proof business in existence. It's not physically demanding... I can run this store when I'm 80 if I have to (I sure as hell don't want to), and it's stocked full of tangible, portable goods for which there's always going to be a demand. Honestly, I was just at the right place at the right time... but I sure do look smart now.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you. Pretty much. A couple years back I cashed out just about everything I had and bought pretty much the closest thing to a recession-proof business in existence. It's not physically demanding... I can run this store when I'm 80 if I have to (I sure as hell don't want to), and it's stocked full of tangible, portable goods for which there's always going to be a demand. Honestly, I was just at the right place at the right time... but I sure do look smart now. liquor store? |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 5:35:23 PM EDT
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I already explained my public leech statement in another thread so I will not bring it up here since I view anyone who questions my statements as worthy of less than contempt, and the aforementioned leeches as too stupid to understand it anyway. Inquiring public leeches, their friends and family want to know. Just to be accurate. please send me that link He posted that in the pit thread then went silent. Ed Sr has him in his sights so no escaping for him. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 7:18:38 PM EDT
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What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ? Just more public leeches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE. Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done? So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you. I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept?? Service member, yes. Dependant/dependants, no. What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ? Just more public leeches. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:22:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look in the bear pit for the upcoming action. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ? Just more public leeches. Oh, I'm so in for this.... Look in the bear pit for the upcoming action. Copy. Inbound. Give me a vector, Victor. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:31:04 PM EDT
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I wish we could just discriminate on who voted for Obama and who didn't. Unfortunately, we'll never know who voted for Obama. All of his supporters are now too ashamed to admit they made that mistake.....twice. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:31:39 PM EDT
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Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. The fuck did you just say? |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:33:17 PM EDT
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IBM has been trying to do this for years. it started long before i left. IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just saw that. This is not good news. IBM has been trying to do this for years. it started long before i left. IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement. Yep. Saw it happen to a few guys in my group. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:41:42 PM EDT
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Nobody should appear SURPRISED at the obvious progression of Socialized Medicine.
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:41:55 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, we'll never know who voted for Obama. All of his supporters are now too ashamed to admit they made that mistake.....twice. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wish we could just discriminate on who voted for Obama and who didn't. Unfortunately, we'll never know who voted for Obama. All of his supporters are now too ashamed to admit they made that mistake.....twice. Bull. Most of them still have the Obama 2012 bumper stickers. They're too dumb to realize they're fucked. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 8:56:13 PM EDT
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That, I believe, is the end state of where we are headed, when the whole system crashes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So when retirees get their supplemental medical insurance and pharmaceuticals benefits cut off, are they better off just to join the FSA, drop everything, and just show up at the ER with the rest of the FSA or what? That, I believe, is the end state of where we are headed, when the whole system crashes. And many people will die unnecessarily. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:16:35 PM EDT
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What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ? Just more public leeches. Oh, I'm so in for this.... Look in the bear pit for the upcoming action. 90 percent of the military is POG. I hope all the people that voted for obama have their lives destroyed |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:19:46 PM EDT
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It sucks, but it's also predictable. Getting employers involved in paying for health care was a lousy idea... and lousy ideas usually have painful consequences. The shittiest part is that the pain isn't going to hurt the one's most responsible for the bad decisions. I was thinking about this today. Why does my healthcare have to be tied to my job? My home insurance isn't. My car insurance isn't. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 9:52:35 PM EDT
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Do you guys not understand that the biggest proponents of Socialized Medicine were big business? As far back as Hillary's first attempt at Hillary Care, GM and Ford where right there with her. Obamacare is a windfall for big business. And a long, slow, slobbering blow job, for the insurance industry. A whole new class of "Customer" was created overnight, and forced into the pools. Mussolini was a fucker, but he damn sure recognized what he created, and called it what it is. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 10:24:26 PM EDT
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I was shocked at our shareholders meeting this year. The board of directors voted on a proposal to significantly INCREASE the level of healthcare coverage provided by the company to all employees and their dependents. I was happy to be able to vote Aye.
Basically, our new position is that the coming boning that the average American is going to take on healthcare is a perfect opportunity for us to attract and keep talent, as well as build more loyalty from existing employees. I was waiting all week for the "Impact of ACA" portion to see what and who we were cutting... What a pleasant surprise. 
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Posted: 9/7/2013 10:35:00 PM EDT
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90 percent of the military is POG. I hope all the people that voted for obama have their lives destroyed Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ? Just more public leeches. Oh, I'm so in for this.... Look in the bear pit for the upcoming action. 90 percent of the military is POG. I hope all the people that voted for obama have their lives destroyed the fuck does that have to do with the price of tea in China huh "dorry" |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 10:48:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Elections have consequences. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 11:10:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good news in disguise. No it isn't. The healthcare system is broken. Yes, it is. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. Perhaps. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. See comments below. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. In a short time, most probably will. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. No it isn't. The healthcare system is broken. Yes, it is. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. Perhaps. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. See comments below. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. In a short time, most probably will. I'm astounded that people can't grasp this. (Lots of "freedom loving" ARFCOM folks, too.  ) |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 11:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept?? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE. Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done? So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you. I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept?? And on the private sector side, I remember all the outrage at huge bonuses for executives who were directly responsible for the 'too big to fail' fiasco, and I especially remember all the defenders here who pointed out that 'those bonuses are contracts.' Pensions are contracts too. And this Tricare (I'm not .mil so I don't know what it is) is a contract, right? We live in a world where 'contracts' more and more mean nothing. Used to be a handshake was enough. Now you need enough money to afford a really good team of lawyers. |
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Posted: 9/7/2013 11:54:07 PM EDT
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Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. I see it this way |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 12:26:39 AM EDT
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Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. The fuck did you just say? Layers man, we gotta dictate the layers to get the cheap healthcare. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 12:38:18 AM EDT
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I see it this way DERP |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 2:59:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see it this way Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. I see it this way I recommend you have your vision checked. |
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Posted: 9/8/2013 3:37:44 AM EDT
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/ Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment. Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same. I see it this way I recommend you have your vision checked. Anyone that believes this is a moron. the only thing that accomplishes is the quality of the service, goods, and the frequency, will decrease. what do you do for a living? how about "we" get to dictate how much you are paid for everything you do? how motivated are you to produce or even do that job when you have no control over what you are paid? |
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