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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By phoen1x:
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OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?


QFT. Everyone will be forced into the single payer system that they want. Except the really wealth or connected who will simply ignore and litigate the problem or leave the USA all together.

Next will be to drive private insurance companies out of business.

BTW IBM is leaving the USA. They see what is going on and they are leaving. There will be no announcement. They will just be gone.

Its not like they have a huge presence state side anyway.
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We all saw this coming from miles away..


Those of us who weren't too busy Hope-ing for Change in our Future that is... or people who didn't sleep through the non-Keynesian economics class in college.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/


Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment.

Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.


So what you're saying is that you support a single payer system because it'll be cheaper?
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By KA3B:
Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/

Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment.
Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.


Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals.
According to the board they are all in California.


Moron: We already have a public health system. All the public employees, those working for corporate leeches, those on welfare are all paid for by the gov't. Gov't money has driven care cost to triple those in Europe. Who is left uninsured, or paying huge sums out of pocket are the true private sector, workers, entrepreneurs at small businesses. Obamacare will do at least one thing right. Dictate prices to those hospitals, HMOs so they can't have their $20 million executive bonus .



Hey, liberal. I work for a medical device company. Guess what sort of high tech stuff YOU won't be getting access to anymore?

Pacific rim and growth economies? Absolutely. You try to tell us what we can charge in the US, if we can't make a profit, YOU ARE NOT GETTING ANY. We'll shut down lines here and move production overseas if we have to, if that's where the only market is. We'll focus on places where we can make a profit so all the people who work for us can take home a paycheck. How about that?

Liberals now think they can dictate the price of something like a cobalt-chromium vascular stent forged at 6000 degrees in a robot furnace, stuff cut and formed by lasers, millions put out in R&D and production equipment? HA. It'll LEAVE.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:

Moron: We already have a public health system. All the public employees, those working for corporate leeches, those on welfare are all paid for by the gov't. Gov't money has driven care cost to triple those in Europe. Who is left uninsured, or paying huge sums out of pocket are the true private sector, workers, entrepreneurs at small businesses. Obamacare will do at least one thing right. Dictate prices to those hospitals, HMOs so they can't have their $20 million executive bonus .



You really have no grasp on how the economy works, do you?

Because, you know, the government dictating what people can charge for things always works out perfectly in the end and never causes the quality of service to drop, right?
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Very simple.

IBM was certain that healthcare costs were going up. So they dumped the employees.
Now the employees have the liability for the higher healthcare costs, not IBM.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By M82Assault:
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Moron: We already have a public health system. All the public employees, those working for corporate leeches, those on welfare are all paid for by the gov't. Gov't money has driven care cost to triple those in Europe. Who is left uninsured, or paying huge sums out of pocket are the true private sector, workers, entrepreneurs at small businesses. Obamacare will do at least one thing right. Dictate prices to those hospitals, HMOs so they can't have their $20 million executive bonus .



You really have no grasp on how the economy works, do you?

Because, you know, the government dictating what people can charge for things always works out perfectly in the end and never causes the quality of service to drop, right?


Yeah, he might want to look at the UK, which has almost zero sales of stuff like advanced postoperative thoracic drainage systems. They use glass bottles from the 1960's because it's cheaper.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Luchs:

Pacific rim and growth economies? Absolutely. You try to tell us what we can charge in the US, if we can't make a profit, YOU ARE NOT GETTING ANY. We'll shut down lines here and move production overseas if we have to, if that's where the only market is. We'll focus on places where we can make a profit so all the people who work for us can take home a paycheck. How about that?

Liberals now think they can dictate the price of something like a cobalt-chromium vascular stent forged at 6000 degrees in a robot furnace, stuff cut and formed by lasers, millions put out in R&D and production equipment? HA. It'll LEAVE.



This is exactly right, and this is exactly what the socialists never seem to understand.

This same thing happened in England by the way, when the national health system was first implemented.

A ton of wealth moved offshore.

And with it, job creation, new revenue streams etc.

Again: the net effect of Obamacare will be to reduce the average American standard of living, period.
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Talked to an HR lady at work and she did not believe me that the Affordable Care Act is going to greatly impact healthcare coverage for our company and most other companies in a very negative way because she deals with our benefits all the time and she has not heard about any changes. Note she just explains benefits and enters people into the system and doesn't deal with negotiating our contract/account with our provider in anyway but somehow knows nothing is going to happen despite the president of the company telling me that we were going to be negatively impacted by it and was evasive when I asked about it.
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They've been pulling this crap more than a decade and this sort of thing was the reason my dad participated in the mass exodus in the late '90s. Get him started and you can get a good half hour of ranting about how the company told everyone yeah, they got paid less than the competition but the benefits made up for it, and then started pulling benefits from folks.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By USMC6177:
Originally Posted By phoen1x:
Originally Posted By centurion:
OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?


QFT. Everyone will be forced into the single payer system that they want. Except the really wealth or connected who will simply ignore and litigate the problem or leave the USA all together.

Next will be to drive private insurance companies out of business.

BTW IBM is leaving the USA. They see what is going on and they are leaving. There will be no announcement. They will just be gone.

Its not like they have a huge presence state side anyway.


almost if not all of the manufacturing is gone. most remote application support is gone. they still have some hardware tech support here but less and less every year. IBM virtually destroyed the economy in endicott NY when they closed their production facilities there. i was in one of the last 3590 check sorter classes taught there years ago. i was actually told to make sure i didn;t wear any IBM logo gear out on the town as it would likely result in a confrontation.
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IBM's a leader in screwing their employees....


Xerox is giving them a hard fun for first at the finish line...

For a company with a "Total Ethical" mission statement, I never saw so much pures lies and screwing over in my many many years....
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Does this actually surprise anyone. Expect a lot more of this kind of crap now that we have national healthcare.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By M82Assault:
Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/


Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment.

Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.


So what you're saying is that you support a single payer system because it'll be cheaper?


the cost of healthcare isn't due to insurance companies. it's due to legal liability and forced care for non payers.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/


Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment.

Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.
The healthcare system is fucked up because of government meddling, out of control illegal immigration, and outrageous litigation against doctors and providers. This is basically ALL the government's fault. You want MORE government meddling? Economics is brain dead simple when you break it down. The government has completely fucked up the system by artificially driving up costs.
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Just more public leeches.


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
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So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you.


Pretty much. A couple years back I cashed out just about everything I had and bought pretty much the closest thing to a recession-proof business in existence. It's not physically demanding... I can run this store when I'm 80 if I have to (I sure as hell don't want to), and it's stocked full of tangible, portable goods for which there's always going to be a demand.

Honestly, I was just at the right place at the right time... but I sure do look smart now.



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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/


Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment.

Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.


Duh. Thats not how it works... Man your are stupid. Every consider that THERE IS NO FREE MARKET because of GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE!

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:
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Originally Posted By Katara:
Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:
Originally Posted By centurion:
OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?

So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you.



I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept??


Service member, yes.

Dependant/dependants, no.


What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ?


Just more public leeches.



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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
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Originally Posted By phoen1x:
Originally Posted By centurion:
OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?


QFT. Everyone will be forced into the single payer system that they want. Except the really wealth or connected who will simply ignore and litigate the problem or leave the USA all together.

Next will be to drive private insurance companies out of business.

BTW IBM is leaving the USA. They see what is going on and they are leaving. There will be no announcement. They will just be gone.

Its not like they have a huge presence state side anyway.


almost if not all of the manufacturing is gone. most remote application support is gone. they still have some hardware tech support here but less and less every year. IBM virtually destroyed the economy in endicott NY when they closed their production facilities there. i was in one of the last 3590 check sorter classes taught there years ago. i was actually told to make sure i didn;t wear any IBM logo gear out on the town as it would likely result in a confrontation.

I work at the Owego Facility that was bought by LM. Tons of really bitter for IBM people. Like really bitter
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By regalrocket:
Originally Posted By Katara:
Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:
Originally Posted By centurion:
OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?

So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you.



I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept??


Service member, yes.

Dependant/dependants, no.


What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ?


Just more public leeches.




Did you serve?

And the only people that get Tricare after they're out are regular and medical retirees.
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Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:

So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you.


Pretty much. A couple years back I cashed out just about everything I had and bought pretty much the closest thing to a recession-proof business in existence. It's not physically demanding... I can run this store when I'm 80 if I have to (I sure as hell don't want to), and it's stocked full of tangible, portable goods for which there's always going to be a demand.

Honestly, I was just at the right place at the right time... but I sure do look smart now.



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I worked two years for IBM. They're always looking for a way to screw over their workers/retirees. The latest one I heard was they changed the 401k contribution to once a year so they could lay people off before hand and not have to contribute to their 401k for the year. They stopped releasing their percentage of US/Offshore works since it shows their steady march to push everything offshore. They have a practice call "laser layoffs" where each year they lay people off in each state just lower than the state notification numbers so it doesn't get press. Obama care sucks, but don't be deceived that IBM is a good company.


All true. They have become very militant and heartless. Soon it won't be a US problem anymore. Just remember it was government that made the business environment IMPOSSIBLE. via regulation, policy and inflation. It made the USA non-competitive. Why put up with it when you can leave?
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The more people on the rolls the faster the system will fail. Just what they want. Can't have socialised medicine until they destroy what we have now.
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Thats what my employer does. Gives retirees about $400.00 a month to buy their own health insurance plan. a family plan is about 2,200 a month BTW. So they pay 400, you pay 1,1800.

Im pretty much only working for health insurance right now.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:
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IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/


Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment.

Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.





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Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/

Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment.
Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.


Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals.
According to the board they are all in California.


Moron: We already have a public health system. All the public employees, those working for corporate leeches, those on welfare are all paid for by the gov't. Gov't money has driven care cost to triple those in Europe. Who is left uninsured, or paying huge sums out of pocket are the true private sector, workers, entrepreneurs at small businesses. Obamacare will do at least one thing right. Dictate prices to those hospitals, HMOs so they can't have their $20 million executive bonus .





So lets give them control of it all, that makes since.


Go back to DU.
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Actually my retirement insurance is like IBM will be doing and it is not bad.

At age 65 my regular insurance came to an end.

I was required to sign up for Medicare and then got a monthly stipend to take care of a supplement to Medicare. I think that is the same thing IBM proposes to do.

I have no deductions or co payments because the Untied Heathcare supplement.

My yearly cost actually decreased substantially when we went to this system. Nowadays my wife and I combined spend less than $3K a year for medical and prescriptions and that is with $2400 being taken out of SS to cover the Medicare portion.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Stevesc:
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Originally Posted By Katara:
Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:
Originally Posted By centurion:
OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?

So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you.



I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept??


Service member, yes.

Dependant/dependants, no.


What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ?


Just more public leeches.






You are one seriously fucked up person. Public leaches? That is just a fucked up thing to say. Those "leaches" are doing a job for this country. Sadly this country includes people like you.
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Do you guys not understand that the biggest proponents of Socialized Medicine were big business? As far back as Hillary's first attempt at Hillary Care, GM and Ford where right there with her.

Obamacare is a windfall for big business.


In the short run, maybe. In the long run it will tax them right out of existence and destroy their health care, just like everyone else.

Of course, companies like GM and Ford aren't exactly known for thinking ahead.....
Ford does not fit your statement. They trimmed the company severely before the recession thus avoiding most bailout problems.
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How may of those 110,000 retires are members of the AARP, and followed their guidance and voted for Obummer?

So it comes back to elections have consequences and we are all about to get fucked
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Bottom line is while you guys still have any semblance of healthcare, get EVERYTHING checked and EVERYTHING done.

Do it now. You will be lining up Doc visits for the next 6 months, some of the backlogs are amazing.

You also want to discover if you have any diseases which haven't made their presence known. Be proactive. Do it now.


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Never trust that a company is actually going to follow through with benefits later. (Never trust any bureaucracy)
Take the cash up front, do not bank on the credit. (assume they will be looking for a way to not pay out)

The idea of retirement and pensions was a short lived one that only a few generations got to enjoy.

Most people will not have what retirees in the 70s and 80s had.

Many companies do not even offer pensions now.

If health insurance was part of that deal... that whole medical system/health care just got tossed upside down..
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Posted: 9/7/2013 3:48:09 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By USMC6177:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/

I better prepare for riots. Endicott and Endwell are gonna blow the fuck up once all the retired IBMrs find out they got dumped.

Poughkeepsie won't be far behind. My retired father is pissed as hell at what IBM has become.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By raven:
I wish we could just discriminate on who voted for Obama and who didn't.



I can tell with 98% certainty who voted for the Nobel Peace Prize winning Muslim MFer.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By wwace:
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:

In the short run, maybe. In the long run it will tax them right out of existence and destroy their health care, just like everyone else.

Of course, companies like GM and Ford aren't exactly known for thinking ahead.....
Ford does not fit your statement. They trimmed the company severely before the recession thus avoiding most bailout problems.


True... Mulally and Ford seem to be making a serious run at getting their shit together. Still, if you just started thinking ahead, it means you're still behind.
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International Business Machines Corp. plans to move about 110,000 retirees off its company-sponsored health plan and instead give them a payment to buy coverage on a health-insurance exchange, in a sign that even big, well-capitalized employers aren't likely to keep providing the once-common benefits as medical costs continue to rise.


The move, which will affect all IBM retirees once they become eligible for Medicare, will relieve the technology company of the responsibility of managing retirement health-care benefits. IBM said the growing cost of care makes its current plan unsustainable without big premium increases.




IBM will provide a payment to buy coverage, when retirees turn 65. They are getting out of managing the benefits.
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Wondering how long it will take the airline industry to do the same. Shocking as they are usually the first to screw their retirees.
United cut my grandparents pension twice, as in half and if they pull this BS like IBM, grandma is going to grab her gun.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By centurion:
OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?


Not everyone. Lets not forget that Congress and those that work for Congress are exempt. Oh yea... and all the other people Obama has exempted.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Pacs:
International Business Machines Corp. plans to move about 110,000 retirees off its company-sponsored health plan and instead give them a payment to buy coverage on a health-insurance exchange, in a sign that even big, well-capitalized employers aren't likely to keep providing the once-common benefits as medical costs continue to rise.

The move, which will affect all IBM retirees once they become eligible for Medicare, will relieve the technology company of the responsibility of managing retirement health-care benefits. IBM said the growing cost of care makes its current plan unsustainable without big premium increases.

IBM will provide a payment to buy coverage, when retirees turn 65. They are getting out of managing the benefits.

IBM will simply give the retirees a fixed $200/month (or whatever) payment, and tell them: "good luck, you're now on you're own for these rising healthcare costs..."

This move will save IBM money. Since the healthcare costs aren't coming down, that money is going to come from the retirees.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By peekay:
Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By KA3B:
Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By LurchAddams:
IBM is dumping retirees into the health insurance exchanges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/07/ibm-to-move-retirees-off-health-plan/

Good news in disguise. The healthcare system is broken. Cost of care is triple what it should cost in free market. You can buy the same surgery in Europe for 1/3 the cost here. Out of pocket Americans are flying there to buy treatment.
Once we get majority of Americans on one public payer system we can dictate those doctors, hospitals, HMOs and layers on prices. IBM just fired the first shot. Every corporation in America will do the same.


Look, a liberal troll from Texas - And here I thought Texas had no liberals.
According to the board they are all in California.


Moron: We already have a public health system. All the public employees, those working for corporate leeches, those on welfare are all paid for by the gov't. Gov't money has driven care cost to triple those in Europe. Who is left uninsured, or paying huge sums out of pocket are the true private sector, workers, entrepreneurs at small businesses. Obamacare will do at least one thing right. Dictate prices to those hospitals, HMOs so they can't have their $20 million executive bonus .


Sorry Arf, we have our share of stupid fucks too here in Texas. Most likely this one is an import.




Yep. Plenty of liberals here in TX. Most are transplants.

BTW that is some of the dumbest shit I have heard.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
It sucks, but it's also predictable. Getting employers involved in paying for health care was a lousy idea... and lousy ideas usually have painful consequences.

This was a democrapic idea back in the 1945 and then championed by unions
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IBM routinely shits on it's employees. they are infamous for canning people within a few months of retirement.

They moved most employees to a cash pension plan back in 1999 or so, so this practice isn't very common today
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Elections have consequences.

Negative Goatrider, the pattern is full.

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Obamacare could turn the table in time for gov't to dictate pricing. Bad for the doctors, HMO executives.

Which is part of the problem.

Why do you think the older doctors are leaving in droves and that a lot of practices are turning to cash-only?

Think about that.

It's because these doctors do not eventually want to become slaves to the government, and do not eventually want to work for one client, that client being the government, and the government not paying.

Actually, go ask your doctor how their Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements are working out for them.


They can certainly choose to quit, its a free country. The single payer system works quite well in Europe. Doctors and hospitals can still choose to go after private payers like American medical tourists. At one third to one quarter the American hospitals charges . Its free market.

http://qualityhealthcareplease.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/high-price-for-a-new-hip-charges-because-they-can/

Again, there is no reason American hospitals charge four time the money but for Federal dollar. The doctor you claim to be quitting is making many times more money than his European counterpart. He can opt out of it go for private payers. Its free market. He'd be making a fraction what he makes now .


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Originally Posted By Katara:
Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:
Originally Posted By centurion:
OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?

So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you.



I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept??


Service member, yes.

Dependant/dependants, no.


What percentage of today's service men and women actually see combat ? Most are desk jockeys, supply and support, do they deserve the same benefits ?


Just more public leeches.



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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By USMC6177:
Originally Posted By Katara:
Originally Posted By PanzerOfDoom:
Originally Posted By centurion:
OP, we retired military people are not far behind. They will take our TRICARE health insurance within the the next two or three years and force us into OBAMACARE.

Is anyone on this board so naive that they don't think the plan is to force EVERYONE into OBAMACARE before the marxist-socialist motherfuckers are done?

So plan your retirement all you want, your government is going to fuck you.



I think that is absolutely horrible. If someone has served, that person and their spouse should have TRICARE until they die. They earned it. Why is that such a hard concept??

There is a difference between what is right and what is going to happen. Prepare accordingly.


A rather large difference.
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