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Posted: 8/24/2013 2:06:16 PM EST
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Why did Assad use chemical weapons in Syria? I can see if he is about the lose but I don't see anything that indicated his power was any more in danger than the previous weeks/months. Was there a strategic need to use those weapons?
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:08:57 PM EST
Asad?

He figures he's losing control, and desperate men do desperate things.

That, and he has all Sadaam's WMDs that the Left has been whining about not finding in Iraq.

Found them NOW, didn't you assholes?
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:09:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MedPig:
Asad?

He figures he's losing control, and desperate men do desperate things.

That, and he has all Sadaam's WMDs that the Left has been whining about not finding in Iraq.

Found them NOW, didn't you assholes?
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:10:13 PM EST
if you have chemical weapons best to use them before the other side captures them and uses them on you, what I'm thinking
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:10:19 PM EST
Because nerve gas scares the shit out of people, and rightly so.



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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:10:29 PM EST
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IF Assad used them. Things are often not as they appear, not that the guy isn't capable of doing such a thing.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:11:01 PM EST
What really happened:

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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:11:19 PM EST
I think it can go either way on who the guilty party is. Who benefits most from the outrage? The truth is he's been holding his own. Kind of makes you wonder why he'd draw scorn down on him from the UN and risk action when he's basically been kicking Al Qaeda butt recently...

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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:11:32 PM EST
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There's no proof as to who used them. If you believe everything the Islamic extremists tell you, then they have won.

ETA: You must remember, Assad is a Baathist just as Sadaam Hussein was. They believe in modernization, westernization, and good ties with 1st world countries. The opposition group is based on fundamental Islamic beliefs, not freedom. They are trying to impose Sharia law in Syria and force themselves back into the 15th century. Who do you think the real bad guys are?
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:11:48 PM EST
Just came to post fuck all sides of that conflict.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:11:49 PM EST
He's killing more with small arms. But possibly trying to unify the country from an Obama strike.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:11:55 PM EST
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Why did Azad use chemical weapons in Syria? I can see if he is about the lose but I don't see anything that indicated his power was any more in danger than the previous weeks/months. Was there a strategic need to use those weapons?
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Yes, but not by Assad.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:12:09 PM EST
What makes you think he did?
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Originally Posted By MedPig:
Asad?

He figures he's losing control, and desperate men do desperate things.

That, and he has all Sadaam's WMDs that the Left has been whining about not finding in Iraq.

Found them NOW, didn't you assholes?


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Uh yeah, that's actually were they went.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:14:00 PM EST
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Uh yeah, that's actually were they went.
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Originally Posted By MedPig:
Asad?

He figures he's losing control, and desperate men do desperate things.

That, and he has all Sadaam's WMDs that the Left has been whining about not finding in Iraq.

Found them NOW, didn't you assholes?


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Uh yeah, that's actually were they went.


Possibly, but there's no proof of that.
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There's no proof as to who used them. If you believe everything the Islamic extremists tell you, then they have won.
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There is no proof, and Obama should wait for the UN report. Binary munitions last a long time and either side has them
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:14:52 PM EST
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Chemical weapons are excellent when you don't want to ruin infrastructure and instead just kill the enemy. They don't tend to demolish buildings or ruin road ways. If you're a dictator looking to kill rebels without knocking out the national infrastructure that helps keep money flowing to your Swiss Bank Accounts they're just the ticket. They also help deny the area to an enemy for a period of time if that enemy doesn't have the proper kit.

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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:15:48 PM EST

To answer your question one must first assume that Assad is the one that used the chems.

I haven't made that assumption.

Riddle me this - Who stands to gain by the use of WMDs in Syria.

There's your answer.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:19:05 PM EST
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Chemical weapons are excellent when you don't want to ruin infrastructure and instead just kill the enemy. They don't tend to demolish buildings or ruin road ways. If you're a dictator looking to kill rebels without knocking out the national infrastructure that helps keep money flowing to your Swiss Bank Accounts they're just the ticket. They also help deny the area to an enemy for a period of time if that enemy doesn't have the proper kit.

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I didn't consider that angle. That's really fucked up
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I think it can go either way on who the guilty party is. Who benefits most from the outrage? The truth is he's been holding his own. Kind of makes you wonder why he'd draw scorn down on him from the UN and risk action when he's basically been kicking Al Qaeda butt recently...
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This

It could very well be a false flag, ala the Bosnians and that mortar attack that drew NATO in to the Balkans.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:24:27 PM EST
He didn't.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:25:47 PM EST
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To answer your question one must first assume that Assad is the one that used the chems.

I haven't made that assumption.

Riddle me this - Who stands to gain by the use of WMDs in Syria.

There's your answer.
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Assad, because he knows damn well nobody's gonna do anything about it.

If what you're suggesting is right, then Al Qaeda now has nerve gas; have you considered the implications of that?
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:26:55 PM EST
Probally some other countries security force's deed.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:28:19 PM EST
If he did actually use them, its because FBHO will do nothing about it. He can cross the red line all day long and not have to worry about repercussions.
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If he did actually use them, its because FBHO will do nothing about it. He can cross the red line all day long and not have to worry about repercussions.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:31:55 PM EST
Has there been any proof what, if any, chemical weapon was used?

If the truth ever comes out, I will be surprised if Assad ordered a chemical attack.

What did he have to gain? The war is at worst a stalemate, at best he's winning. He has Russia and China backing him.

Why use Chemical Weapons, and tempt the wimpy west to step in?

I still think the rebels did it. Would you put it past a bunch of Islamic Radicals to kill a bunch on their "own side", if they thought they could gain from it?

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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:37:33 PM EST
I'm not convinced he did it, or if he did place the order that there wasn't someone else pulling strings. I know it sounds like a bad tom clancy novel but it appears that someone is pulling the strings to get the US embroiled in yet another drawn out no-win shithole mideast conflict, just as the others are winding down. Drain us of $, resources, and will to do battle. I'm not saying its not sad that some kids got nerve gassed, but there are at least as many kids dying of malnutrition/disease/local conflict every damn day in all the other 3rd world shitholes. Whether they died of nerve gas or neglect or some other societal negligence doesn't make them any less dead. OH TEH KNOWZ NERVE GAS!!!!!!!!

Meanwhile, Iran is continued to allow enriching uranium.

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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:37:36 PM EST
There is far more benefit for the opposition to use gas on the civilians and blame Assad.

I would not put it past Assad to use them but there is far more reasoning the rebels used gas to draw idiot politicians into the war on their side.

Is anyone that stupid in DC?? (besides McCain)

I say let them kill each other until they have wiped out the whole lot of themselves and good ridden


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Has there been any proof what, if any, chemical weapon was used?

If the truth ever comes out, I will be surprised if Assad ordered a chemical attack.

What did he have to gain? The war is at worst a stalemate, at best he's winning. He has Russia and China backing him.

Why use Chemical Weapons, and tempt the wimpy west to step in?

I still think the rebels did it. Would you put it past a bunch of Islamic Radicals to kill a bunch on their "own side", if they thought they could gain from it?

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They're not going to step in because they've spent the last 10 years giving us shit about invading Iraq over the same issue. And audacity is a Russian virtue. They'll piss on your back and tell you it's raining right before blaming you for wasting piss. Putin will happily let Syria test the waters for his next little adventure.
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Assad, because he knows damn well nobody's gonna do anything about it.

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To answer your question one must first assume that Assad is the one that used the chems.

I haven't made that assumption.

Riddle me this - Who stands to gain by the use of WMDs in Syria.

There's your answer.
Assad, because he knows damn well nobody's gonna do anything about it.

If what you're suggesting is right, then Al Qaeda now has nerve gas; have you considered the implications of that?


The last thing Assad wants is any international intervention. He doesn't need to use chems to win. There is no upside - none.

AQ et al doesn't need a train load of chem weapons, just like they don't need an ICBM. A little dab will do ya when it comes to generating some outrage/measured strikes.

Think about it.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:41:09 PM EST
I'm just boggling at the thought that we're about to get involved in a proxy war with Russia by supporting Muslim terrorists. Again. History repeats--first as tragedy, then as farce.

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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:41:22 PM EST
I think the rebels had no problem sacrificing their own to get us into the war. They know once we start launching cruise missiles its game over for Assad. It's clear the rebels treat their own worse then animals so this is just part of winning the war for them. All those people could have been poisoned to make it look like they got gassed instead.
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I'm just boggling at the thought that we're about to get involved in a proxy war with Russia by supporting Muslim terrorists. Again. History repeats--first as tragedy, then as farce.

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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:45:15 PM EST
Have we established that it was him who used them? Or even if they were used at all?
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To answer your question one must first assume that Assad is the one that used the chems.

I haven't made that assumption.

Riddle me this - Who stands to gain by the use of WMDs in Syria.

There's your answer.
Assad, because he knows damn well nobody's gonna do anything about it.

If what you're suggesting is right, then Al Qaeda now has nerve gas; have you considered the implications of that?


Same as having MANPADS? You know the insurgents have been raiding Assad's stocks right?

Your heart's desire is to be told some mystery. The mystery is that there is no mystery.
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Nope.

Facts just get in the way.

The Brits and the French have a hardon for Assad, and Obama just wants to help his Islamist buddies.

I figure cruise missiles will be flying before Monday.

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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:50:38 PM EST
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Why did Assad use chemical weapons in Syria? I can see if he is about the lose but I don't see anything that indicated his power was any more in danger than the previous weeks/months. Was there a strategic need to use those weapons?
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To call Obamas bluff.
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If he did actually use them, its because FBHO will do nothing about it. He can cross the red line all day long and not have to worry about repercussions.


Yup. He called Obama on his bluff.


This is my guess. Message to the resistance that Obama isn't going to do shit to help them.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:53:43 PM EST
"Why did Assad use chemical weapons in Syria?" You are asking yourself a framed question.

You are assuming the controlled media that is feeding you is telling you the truth.

Its strange how the media constantly lies and manipulates to push domestic agendas in the US and most conservatives see through it, but when it comes to world events we still take their "reporting" as fact.

That said, the questions you should be asking yourself:

1) Who would benefit most from the use of chemical weapons in Syria?

2) Who used them the last 2 times there while blaming Syrian government forces which was proved to be false?

3) Who does the US support in Syria?

If you answered Al Queda to all 3, then you would be correct.
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The last thing Assad wants is any international intervention. He doesn't need to use chems to win. There is no upside - none.

AQ et al doesn't need a train load of chem weapons, just like they don't need an ICBM. A little dab will do ya when it comes to generating some outrage/measured strikes.

Think about it.
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To answer your question one must first assume that Assad is the one that used the chems.

I haven't made that assumption.

Riddle me this - Who stands to gain by the use of WMDs in Syria.

There's your answer.
Assad, because he knows damn well nobody's gonna do anything about it.

If what you're suggesting is right, then Al Qaeda now has nerve gas; have you considered the implications of that?


The last thing Assad wants is any international intervention. He doesn't need to use chems to win. There is no upside - none.

AQ et al doesn't need a train load of chem weapons, just like they don't need an ICBM. A little dab will do ya when it comes to generating some outrage/measured strikes.

Think about it.
I thought about it and I can't get over the fact that Assad is a Baathist dictator suppressing an uprising and they have a bit of a history of doing stupid shit like using chemical weapons against their own people.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:57:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Smash47:
"Why did Assad use chemical weapons in Syria?" You are asking yourself a framed question.

You are assuming the controlled media that is feeding you is telling you the truth.

Its strange how the media constantly lies and manipulates to push domestic agendas in the US and most conservatives see through it, but when it comes to world events we still take their "reporting" as fact.

That said, the questions you should be asking yourself:

1) Who would benefit most from the use of chemical weapons in Syria?

2) Who used them the last 2 times there while blaming Syrian government forces which was proved to be false?

3) Who does the US support in Syria?

If you answered Al Queda to all 3, then you would be correct.
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Controlled by whom?
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 2:59:49 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:00:43 PM EST
after all this time he figures he has won the propaganda game, he figures the world will do nothing to stop him, and now is a good time to cull the numbers of his opposition.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:02:28 PM EST
I heard he planned to attack a German radio station....
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:02:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kihn:
I think it can go either way on who the guilty party is. Who benefits most from the outrage? The truth is he's been holding his own. Kind of makes you wonder why he'd draw scorn down on him from the UN and risk action when he's basically been kicking Al Qaeda butt recently...
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seriously, what do dictators care about the UN, that group of pussies had Khadaffi on it's human rights commission........
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:03:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlvinYork:
after all this time he figures he has won the propaganda game, he figures the world will do nothing to stop him, and now is a good time to cull the numbers of his opposition.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:04:34 PM EST
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There's no proof as to who used them. If you believe everything the Islamic extremists tell you, then they have won.

ETA: You must remember, Assad is a Baathist just as Sadaam Hussein was. They believe in modernization, westernization, and good ties with 1st world countries. The opposition group is based on fundamental Islamic beliefs, not freedom. They are trying to impose Sharia law in Syria and force themselves back into the 15th century. Who do you think the real bad guys are?
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Baathism was formed directly upon the principles of German National Socialism. They're Muslim Nazis, in other words. There are no good guys in this fight.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:04:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SilentType:
Chemical weapons are excellent when you don't want to ruin infrastructure and instead just kill the enemy. They don't tend to demolish buildings or ruin road ways. If you're a dictator looking to kill rebels without knocking out the national infrastructure that helps keep money flowing to your Swiss Bank Accounts they're just the ticket. They also help deny the area to an enemy for a period of time if that enemy doesn't have the proper kit.

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Back in the 70s we and I'm sure others were developing the Neutron bomb to do just the same thing.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:05:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mgwantob:
There's no proof as to who used them. If you believe everything the Islamic extremists tell you, then they have won.

ETA: You must remember, Assad is a Baathist just as Sadaam Hussein was. They believe in modernization, westernization, and good ties with 1st world countries. The opposition group is based on fundamental Islamic beliefs, not freedom. They are trying to impose Sharia law in Syria and force themselves back into the 15th century. Who do you think the real bad guys are?
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I approve of the above post. Earlier in the year there was another accusation of chemical agents being used.
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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:06:15 PM EST
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That's just Polish Propaganda.



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Link Posted: 8/24/2013 3:07:17 PM EST
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I approve of the above post. Earlier in the year there was another accusation of chemical agents being used.
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Originally Posted By mgwantob:
There's no proof as to who used them. If you believe everything the Islamic extremists tell you, then they have won.

ETA: You must remember, Assad is a Baathist just as Sadaam Hussein was. They believe in modernization, westernization, and good ties with 1st world countries. The opposition group is based on fundamental Islamic beliefs, not freedom. They are trying to impose Sharia law in Syria and force themselves back into the 15th century. Who do you think the real bad guys are?


I approve of the above post. Earlier in the year there was another accusation of chemical agents being used.

both sides are fucked up assholes.
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