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Posted: 8/21/2013 8:06:59 AM EST
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Build your doomsday fortress.

Thought it might be fun to see what you guys have in mind has the perfect survival item.

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1) 20 acres. Anywhere you can find on Google Earth.
2) ballpark estimate of cost 100,000 or you won the lottery
3) any material.

Describe your location. An posted diagram of your fortress.



let the location and idea discussion begin.

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Will not post diagram. NSA will see it and find me!

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It's an imaginary fortress! Remember

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I like the idea of Civil War era earthen star forts.

And having recently toured the Ypres battlefield, I also want it to be placed on a hillside to better observe potential enemies.

Pity mortars would be out of my price range.

Actually it is easy to build the mortar, the ammo is the expensive part.
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I've always found these to be a resonable option with few modification and the right location.

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I like the idea . Old Fort technology. The engineering is simple and easy to maintain. In most important can be done on a budget
. you just have to scale it down to fit your needs.

And the designs are readily available to fit any region and resources.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Pickens

Way bigger than 20 acres though.
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It would be built into the top/side of a hill with 360 views and below the crest have a ring of punji pits along with tanglefoot barbed wire and sensors
A tunnel system would take me out to a hidden egress point at the base of the hill.


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SHTF in style. Sipping tequila on the beach

Put some phalanx guns at each spike in the fort and set them to destroy incoming boats/aircraft.
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Dude, unless you are Milla Jovavich, you will lose.
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http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/020/cache/dry-tortugas_2099_600x450.jpg

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SHTF in style. Sipping tequila on the beach

Put some phalanx guns at each spike in the fort and set them to destroy incoming boats/aircraft.
that i like


That's Fort Jefferson. No water except what you collect via rain. It's also 90 degrees and humid all year long. I get prickly heat just looking at pictures of it.

It's got isolation, though, and hammerhead sharks in the water.
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Something like this, just not on the ocean. I don't need all my shit rusting out in the salt air.

Definitely a hexagonal outer wall. Primary structure in the center -- the castle, essentially. Then put all my dry storage and facilities in separate buildings along the insides of the perimeter wall and/or underground. I'd also have a central tower high enough for one person to observe the entire compound.

Solar + hydrogen collection
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100 grand definitely isn't enough. I'd need lotto winnings type money.

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You can do a lot with a bulldozer and some old shipping containers

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Something like this, that is almost unrecognizable from the surface.



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A hundred grand is no where near enough. That only gets me and a few close friends to Hawaii for a doozy of a TEOTWAWKI party.
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The best defense is to remain hidden in a place no one wants to go surrounded by likeminded neighbors. A $100K budget means a normal looking (but small) house that is hardened with concrete walls, firing ports, steel shutters and the like in a remote location with good soil/growing space, well water, aabundant fish and game.

Even the greatest fortress will succumb to a siege. The more valuable you look. The more sieges you will have to withstand.

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you mean like Detroit?

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you mean like Detroit?


Too many people there already. Short growning season too.

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Too many people there already. Short growning season too.
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The best defense is to remain hidden in a place no one wants to go. Even the greatest fortress will succumb to a siege.


you mean like Detroit?


Too many people there already. Short growning season too.


Right idea. Small modest publicly visibly presentation, larger non-visible presentation.

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That's Fort Jefferson. No water except what you collect via rain. It's also 90 degrees and humid all year long. I get prickly heat just looking at pictures of it.

It's got isolation, though, and hammerhead sharks in the water.
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SHTF in style. Sipping tequila on the beach

Put some phalanx guns at each spike in the fort and set them to destroy incoming boats/aircraft.
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That's Fort Jefferson. No water except what you collect via rain. It's also 90 degrees and humid all year long. I get prickly heat just looking at pictures of it.

It's got isolation, though, and hammerhead sharks in the water.


Well then, I add to my specifications a desalinization plant, solar power station, and hurricane proof air conditioned mansion inside the fort.

We must also fit said sharks with laser beams on their heads.
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Id renovate with the 100k

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Half-a-dozen to a dozen containers, couple truckloads of marine plywood/4x4 posts, some 1, and 2 meter corrugated metal piping...and a few odds-n-ends that I'd have to think on, a bit.
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The best defense is to remain hidden in a place no one wants to go surrounded by likeminded neighbors. A $100K budget means a normal looking (but small) house that is hardened with concrete walls, firing ports, steel shutters and the like in a remote location with good soil/growing space, well water, aabundant fish and game.
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times 20 acres.

I'll be on the other side of the country as people run to the 20 acre twinkie pile.

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That's Fort Jefferson. No water except what you collect via rain. It's also 90 degrees and humid all year long. I get prickly heat just looking at pictures of it.

It's got isolation, though, and hammerhead sharks in the water.
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With laser beams coming out of their frickin' heads? Are they at least ill tempered?
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Not saying. County has less than 50,000. is 97% ethnically white and fertile soil. Nearest big city is 400 miles.

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The building blocks

The land

Make fort with containers. Put barbed wire along tops of shipping containers. Weld ends of containers together. Spend leftover money on guns, boolits, food, and womenz.

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1500SF earth sheltered home made of 10" poured concrete, reinforced with rebar, utilizing geothermal heat/air, and a deep well.

Extensive use of solar panels to power a battery bank. Backup diesel genset with "ample" supply of fuel.

Needs to be on 40 acres, not 20.

I can't tell you any more than that.

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That's Fort Jefferson. No water except what you collect via rain. It's also 90 degrees and humid all year long. I get prickly heat just looking at pictures of it.

It's got isolation, though, and hammerhead sharks in the water.
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SHTF in style. Sipping tequila on the beach

Put some phalanx guns at each spike in the fort and set them to destroy incoming boats/aircraft.
that i like


That's Fort Jefferson. No water except what you collect via rain. It's also 90 degrees and humid all year long. I get prickly heat just looking at pictures of it.

It's got isolation, though, and hammerhead sharks in the water.



With Fricking Laser Beams???

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You'd do better earth sheltered for reasons of

Lower visibility (they can't come after you if they don't know where you are) Being a big target will be a BIG problem
Better ballistic protection
Better fire protection in case of wildfire or firestorm


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