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Posted: 8/11/2013 8:52:32 PM EDT
Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?



Does it depend on severity of the charges?
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 8:56:19 PM EDT
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If it has anything to do with homosexuality, chances are,  you're good to go.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 8:56:28 PM EDT
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In Stripes, super-hot MPs picked them up and had wild sex in the base commander's house.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 8:56:36 PM EDT
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Our jail gets a phone call from the Air Force base every morning, asking if we have any of their folks in jail.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 8:58:24 PM EDT
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Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?

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Depends, a guy got arrested for DUI a few hours from base on libo and they never found out, he got probation and such but escaped any military punishment.

If the cops don't report it and you don't do any time, they may never find out.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 8:59:33 PM EDT
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In the majority of cases it will depend on the severity of charges and the distance between where you've been arrested and your duty station.

I've seen it go both ways but it usually ends up being one or the other actually prosecutes you for the charges.

We've had DUI's and other misdemeanors go either way.  On the other hand we had one guy in our unit get popped on kiddy porn charges and that was taken by the feds and he went away with the quickness.

ETA:  If the military decides to take it, civilian authorities will drop all civilian charges and let the military deal with it if that is what you're wondering.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 8:59:57 PM EDT
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In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 9:00:16 PM EDT
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Depends. Can either kick you out for it before trial, or wait til after conviction. Depends on the severity if the offenses and a host of other things.
 



ETA: Only one jurisdiction will prosecute the offenses.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 9:03:27 PM EDT
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In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.
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Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?

Does it depend on severity of the charges?


In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.


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In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.
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Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?

Does it depend on severity of the charges?


In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.


You do have to remember that it is usually not for the same thing. Most JAG officers won't let you get slammed by both for the same offense, cause they know that they would lose if it went to appeal.
e.g. You get a civilian DUI conviction and an ART. 15 for disobeying an order, conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, etc. You usually won't get punished by Art. 15 for exactly the same thing that you are already being punished for in the civilian world.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 9:08:53 PM EDT
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Had a guy in my unit wait around for about a year, maybe longer, until civil authorities dropped all charges.  The military then court-martialed him (ETA: not for the original charges though, it was something like discrediting the AF). I've also seen people get convicted by civilian courts then after serving their time the military gave them an administrative discharge.  Only seen one case where a kid was arrested by civilian LE and then turned over to the military for court-martial.  It was a small Podunk county in Idaho though, I doubt they had the time or money to investigate and then take the kid to trial.

Generally speaking, unless they somehow don't find out about it, which is rare, the military will get their piece of the action.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 9:09:12 PM EDT
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Ajm said it. We had a guy go to jail for manslaughter (you probably remember the accident, it was right before you left) and he got some time off because he spent a few months restricted to the barracks.
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You do have to remember that it is usually not for the same thing. Most JAG officers won't let you get slammed by both for the same offense, cause they know that they would lose if it went to appeal.
e.g. You get a civilian DUI conviction and an ART. 15 for disobeying an order, conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, etc. You usually won't get punished by Art. 15 for exactly the same thing that you are already being punished for in the civilian world.
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Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?

Does it depend on severity of the charges?


In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.


You do have to remember that it is usually not for the same thing. Most JAG officers won't let you get slammed by both for the same offense, cause they know that they would lose if it went to appeal.
e.g. You get a civilian DUI conviction and an ART. 15 for disobeying an order, conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, etc. You usually won't get punished by Art. 15 for exactly the same thing that you are already being punished for in the civilian world.


Correct.
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Ajm said it. We had a guy go to jail for manslaughter (you probably remember the accident, it was right before you left) and he got some time off because he spent a few months restricted to the barracks.
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Actually, I don't remember that one, maybe I was already on PCS leave. IM me the details and maybe it will jog my shitty memory.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 9:14:09 PM EDT
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My wife, until recently, had a violent felon on her probation caseload that was AD. His superiors had no idea.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 10:07:00 PM EDT
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My 1stSgt turned over someone from my unit to the local police and told him that if he ever saw him again he would kill him.



It was bad and I won't elaborate.







Link Posted: 8/11/2013 10:09:09 PM EDT
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Yer done for and you're gonna get hooked the fuck up.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 10:09:38 PM EDT
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Tease.
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My 1stSgt turned over someone from my unit to the local police and told him that if he ever saw him again he would kill him.

It was bad and I won't elaborate.


Tease.


Probably caught him fucking his wife?
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 10:22:45 PM EDT
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When I was in if you got busted on civilian charges you could be placed on restriction, taken from your duty assignment and placed on weeds and seeds, or discharged if it was serious enough of a charge.  Your not suppose to face double jepordy, so it would be up to command with guidance JAG as to what to do and if the military had separate charges.
Link Posted: 8/11/2013 11:07:52 PM EDT
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When I was in, you got fucked twice.  First by the civvies, then by Uncle Sam.
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Probably caught him fucking his wife?
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My 1stSgt turned over someone from my unit to the local police and told him that if he ever saw him again he would kill him.

It was bad and I won't elaborate.


Tease.


Probably caught him fucking his wife?


My guess is kid diddler.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 6:55:04 AM EDT
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I saw alot of guys get jammed up twice for off base offenses.  One guy who was Air Guard on ARC-V orders got caught in one of those Catch a Predator shows by a local TV station.  He didn't get charged by the local cops but the AF drummed his ass out for making the AF look bad and two guys from his wing came and shagged his ass back to his home state.  

I remember one guy who was on 30 days of leave back in his hometown.  He got in a bar fight was arrested, had his court date and jail time and was back to work like nothing happened.  Since he was way back home and the small town cops didn't report it to the AF, nothing happened to the guy.  He did laugh saying it sucked to be on leave and sitting in lock up.  He had just spent a tour in Iraq, so I think that had something to do with it.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 8:13:10 AM EDT
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Here's an example that happened at Tyndall AFB in 1991.  On a weekend, a Senior Airman that lived off base got into a domestic with his wife.  There had been a problem with domestics between the husband and wife and his supervisor was aware of this.  The wife calls his supervisor, who responds to the apartment to talk to the Senior Airman, to see if he would go stay with friends or get a room in billeting.  The supervisor arrives and things have gotten worse since the call and as he is walking up the stairs to the apartment, the Senior Airman is chasing his wife down the stairs.  The Supervisor tries to stop the Senior Airman, who has a kitchen knife and the supervisor gets stabbed in the arm.  The Senior Airman flees from the residence and local police are called.  Ther Senior Airman and Supervisor are CATM instructors assigned to the cop squadron.  

The Senior Airman goes to the CATM office and retrieves a M-9 and several magazines from the safe that is used to store instructors weapons (worn by instructors who also must act as security during firearms training).  He then departs the base, although the LE desk is sending a patrol to the CATM building for an alarm activation.  A local agency stops the Senior Airman (after a pursuit) based on a BOLO for agg. battery and a shoot out occurs.  The senior airman is shot in one of his ankles, the result of hiding behind his car and one of the officers shooting his ankle from the prone position.  He gets arrested and charged with Attempted Murder X 2, Agg Battery with a Deadly Weapon, Agg Assault and Felony Fleeing and Attempting to Elude.  

He spends several weeks in jail and is ultimately released to a "Pre Trial Release Program", which the state figured would put him back in Air Force Custody.  He goes back to his unit and after a month or so is is dishonorably discharged with an article 15.  The Air Force figured the local authorities would put him back in jail.  No, he pleas to the charges and is given 8 years and some change in probation.  
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Here's an example that happened at Tyndall AFB in 1991.  On a weekend, a Senior Airman that lived off base got into a domestic with his wife.  There had been a problem with domestics between the husband and wife and his supervisor was aware of this.  The wife calls his supervisor, who responds to the apartment to talk to the Senior Airman, to see if he would go stay with friends or get a room in billeting.  The supervisor arrives and things have gotten worse since the call and as he is walking up the stairs to the apartment, the Senior Airman is chasing his wife down the stairs.  The Supervisor tries to stop the Senior Airman, who has a kitchen knife and the supervisor gets stabbed in the arm.  The Senior Airman flees from the residence and local police are called.  Ther Senior Airman and Supervisor are CATM instructors assigned to the cop squadron.  

The Senior Airman goes to the CATM office and retrieves a M-9 and several magazines from the safe that is used to store instructors weapons (worn by instructors who also must act as security during firearms training).  He then departs the base, although the LE desk is sending a patrol to the CATM building for an alarm activation.  A local agency stops the Senior Airman (after a pursuit) based on a BOLO for agg. battery and a shoot out occurs.  The senior airman is shot in one of his ankles, the result of hiding behind his car and one of the officers shooting his ankle from the prone position.  He gets arrested and charged with Attempted Murder X 2, Agg Battery with a Deadly Weapon, Agg Assault and Felony Fleeing and Attempting to Elude.  

He spends several weeks in jail and is ultimately released to a "Pre Trial Release Program", which the state figured would put him back in Air Force Custody.  He goes back to his unit and after a month or so is is dishonorably discharged with an article 15.  The Air Force figured the local authorities would put him back in jail.  No, he pleas to the charges and is given 8 years and some change in probation.  
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I can assure you he was not dishonorably discharged on an article 15.

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I can assure you he was not dishonorably discharged on an article 15.

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Here's an example that happened at Tyndall AFB in 1991.  On a weekend, a Senior Airman that lived off base got into a domestic with his wife.  There had been a problem with domestics between the husband and wife and his supervisor was aware of this.  The wife calls his supervisor, who responds to the apartment to talk to the Senior Airman, to see if he would go stay with friends or get a room in billeting.  The supervisor arrives and things have gotten worse since the call and as he is walking up the stairs to the apartment, the Senior Airman is chasing his wife down the stairs.  The Supervisor tries to stop the Senior Airman, who has a kitchen knife and the supervisor gets stabbed in the arm.  The Senior Airman flees from the residence and local police are called.  Ther Senior Airman and Supervisor are CATM instructors assigned to the cop squadron.  

The Senior Airman goes to the CATM office and retrieves a M-9 and several magazines from the safe that is used to store instructors weapons (worn by instructors who also must act as security during firearms training).  He then departs the base, although the LE desk is sending a patrol to the CATM building for an alarm activation.  A local agency stops the Senior Airman (after a pursuit) based on a BOLO for agg. battery and a shoot out occurs.  The senior airman is shot in one of his ankles, the result of hiding behind his car and one of the officers shooting his ankle from the prone position.  He gets arrested and charged with Attempted Murder X 2, Agg Battery with a Deadly Weapon, Agg Assault and Felony Fleeing and Attempting to Elude.  

He spends several weeks in jail and is ultimately released to a "Pre Trial Release Program", which the state figured would put him back in Air Force Custody.  He goes back to his unit and after a month or so is is dishonorably discharged with an article 15.  The Air Force figured the local authorities would put him back in jail.  No, he pleas to the charges and is given 8 years and some change in probation.  


I can assure you he was not dishonorably discharged on an article 15.



Yeah, DD requires a GCM as far as I'm aware.

ETA: Could he have gotten any worse than an OTH without a CM?
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 1:27:38 PM EDT
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I had a buddy who was a Marine who always referred to NJP every time he got caught doing something stupid.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 1:41:41 PM EDT
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The authorities generally do not notify the military.  
If they are local and have a relationship with the base they may notify and conduct a courtesy turnover.
But there is no automatic notification or alert system.
If someone gets arrested ouf otf the local area, it's possible the unit will not find out.
It depends, I've seen both.

Some people who get arrested never tell the command and take leave when they go to court and the command may never find out.

The Double Jeopardy rules were strengthed in the past several years.  The military will not prosecute someone for the same crime while it is still pending in civilian court.
But you may get processed for associated infractions that are not prosecuted by civilian courts.
e.g., you get arrested for DUI; the military will defer to the civilian court for prosecution of the DUI, but the military may take the individual to Article 15 for Unauthorized Absence.

In general however, if someone is held by civil authorities they are not UA or a deserter (a change from past practice) but they are charged leave for every day in jail they miss work.

If the civilian court decides not to prosecute, the military may elect to do so.  
We have a fairly good relationship with civil authorities, and share evidence and case files.
The civilian courts know the standards of evidence at an Article 15 are lower than at Court Martial or civilian trial.

A CO may also "notify" someone to appear before an Administrative Separation board and show cause for retention which is not an Article 15.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 1:46:22 PM EDT
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I left active duty in 1988, with 4 years in-active obligation. Got a DUI reduced to reckless op in 1989. Got called to report to Wright Patt in 1990 for possible call-up for Desert Storm. And had considered going back to active duty due to a crappy job. They already knew about the DUI. Was told to not even bother trying to re-apply because of the DUI.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 1:47:45 PM EDT
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Here's an example that happened at Tyndall AFB in 1991.  On a weekend, a Senior Airman that lived off base got into a domestic with his wife.  There had been a problem with domestics between the husband and wife and his supervisor was aware of this.  The wife calls his supervisor, who responds to the apartment to talk to the Senior Airman, to see if he would go stay with friends or get a room in billeting.  The supervisor arrives and things have gotten worse since the call and as he is walking up the stairs to the apartment, the Senior Airman is chasing his wife down the stairs.  The Supervisor tries to stop the Senior Airman, who has a kitchen knife and the supervisor gets stabbed in the arm.  The Senior Airman flees from the residence and local police are called.  Ther Senior Airman and Supervisor are CATM instructors assigned to the cop squadron.  

The Senior Airman goes to the CATM office and retrieves a M-9 and several magazines from the safe that is used to store instructors weapons (worn by instructors who also must act as security during firearms training).  He then departs the base, although the LE desk is sending a patrol to the CATM building for an alarm activation.  A local agency stops the Senior Airman (after a pursuit) based on a BOLO for agg. battery and a shoot out occurs.  The senior airman is shot in one of his ankles, the result of hiding behind his car and one of the officers shooting his ankle from the prone position.  He gets arrested and charged with Attempted Murder X 2, Agg Battery with a Deadly Weapon, Agg Assault and Felony Fleeing and Attempting to Elude.  

He spends several weeks in jail and is ultimately released to a "Pre Trial Release Program", which the state figured would put him back in Air Force Custody.  He goes back to his unit and after a month or so is is dishonorably discharged with an article 15.  The Air Force figured the local authorities would put him back in jail.  No, he pleas to the charges and is given 8 years and some change in probation.  


I can assure you he was not dishonorably discharged on an article 15.



Yeah, DD requires a GCM as far as I'm aware.

ETA: Could he have gotten any worse than an OTH without a CM?


OTH at an Administrative Separation board.
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Here's an example that happened at Tyndall AFB in 1991.  On a weekend, a Senior Airman that lived off base got into a domestic with his wife.  There had been a problem with domestics between the husband and wife and his supervisor was aware of this.  The wife calls his supervisor, who responds to the apartment to talk to the Senior Airman, to see if he would go stay with friends or get a room in billeting.  The supervisor arrives and things have gotten worse since the call and as he is walking up the stairs to the apartment, the Senior Airman is chasing his wife down the stairs.  The Supervisor tries to stop the Senior Airman, who has a kitchen knife and the supervisor gets stabbed in the arm.  The Senior Airman flees from the residence and local police are called.  Ther Senior Airman and Supervisor are CATM instructors assigned to the cop squadron.  

The Senior Airman goes to the CATM office and retrieves a M-9 and several magazines from the safe that is used to store instructors weapons (worn by instructors who also must act as security during firearms training).  He then departs the base, although the LE desk is sending a patrol to the CATM building for an alarm activation.  A local agency stops the Senior Airman (after a pursuit) based on a BOLO for agg. battery and a shoot out occurs.  The senior airman is shot in one of his ankles, the result of hiding behind his car and one of the officers shooting his ankle from the prone position.  He gets arrested and charged with Attempted Murder X 2, Agg Battery with a Deadly Weapon, Agg Assault and Felony Fleeing and Attempting to Elude.  

He spends several weeks in jail and is ultimately released to a "Pre Trial Release Program", which the state figured would put him back in Air Force Custody.  He goes back to his unit and after a month or so is is dishonorably discharged with an article 15.  The Air Force figured the local authorities would put him back in jail.  No, he pleas to the charges and is given 8 years and some change in probation.  


I can assure you he was not dishonorably discharged on an article 15.



Yeah, DD requires a GCM as far as I'm aware.

ETA: Could he have gotten any worse than an OTH without a CM?


No, OTH is the worst one can get without a SCM.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 3:04:49 PM EDT
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There are a lot of what ifs.  At my son's base, if a serviceperson gets a dui, the base commander knows before the guy's (girl's) wife/girlfriend finds out.  Also depending on where it happens, if you are in the slammer and miss muster, well you get a UA out of it.  Used to be if you were on probation, you wouldn't necessarily lose any clearance, but if a clearance was downgraded or removed administratively (as might happen when you went to a job that didn't require a clearance) that clearance could not be administratively restored without adjudication from the higher clearance authorities.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 3:16:15 PM EDT
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You will become one of your commander's favorite troops and he will take a special interest in your professional development.  Commanders especially love being called in the middle of the night. It makes them feel needed and validates their sense of self worth.  You should try it.
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My guess is kid diddler.
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My 1stSgt turned over someone from my unit to the local police and told him that if he ever saw him again he would kill him.

It was bad and I won't elaborate.


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Probably caught him fucking his wife?


My guess is kid diddler.


Actually that came to mind after I submitted my post and makes more sense. Ugh. Gross.
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In the majority of cases it will depend on the severity of charges and the distance between where you've been arrested and your duty station.

I've seen it go both ways but it usually ends up being one or the other actually prosecutes you for the charges.

We've had DUI's and other misdemeanors go either way.  On the other hand we had one guy in our unit get popped on kiddy porn charges and that was taken by the feds and he went away with the quickness.

ETA:  If the military decides to take it, civilian authorities will drop all civilian charges and let the military deal with it if that is what you're wondering.
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Uh, no they don't drop the charges. They didn't for me anyway. I got to pay the civies fines and then the military had their turn fucking me. I would advise you not to find out. It will be very painful i promise.
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In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.
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Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?

Does it depend on severity of the charges?


In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.


In this instance, the military is punishing you for something completely different.

Like at Bragg, if I got a DUI off post, I'd get charged by the civ cops.  With the Army.. I would have been slammed with disobeying an order from the division commander (since he put out a memo that specifically forbid any of us from getting a DUI..lol  it was so they would be able to punish us for it too).

EDIT.. I see I'm a little late to the party on this
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In this instance, the military is punishing you for something completely different.



Like at Bragg, if I got a DUI off post, I'd get charged by the civ cops.  With the Army.. I would have been slammed with disobeying an order from the division commander (since he put out a memo that specifically forbid any of us from getting a DUI..lol  it was so they would be able to punish us for it too).



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Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?



Does it depend on severity of the charges?





In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.




In this instance, the military is punishing you for something completely different.



Like at Bragg, if I got a DUI off post, I'd get charged by the civ cops.  With the Army.. I would have been slammed with disobeying an order from the division commander (since he put out a memo that specifically forbid any of us from getting a DUI..lol  it was so they would be able to punish us for it too).



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Not in my experience. You get prosecuted for the crime you actually commit, by only one jurisdiction.



 
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Generally your buddies steal a tank and break you out.
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I converted two Lesbian MPs. Or at least turned them into switch hitters.
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In Stripes, super-hot MPs picked them up and had wild sex in the base commander's house.




I converted two Lesbian MPs. Or at least turned them into switch hitters.


In Soviet Russia, Lesbian MPs convert you.



 
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 6:04:48 PM EDT
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You get double screwed

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Not in my experience. You get prosecuted for the crime you actually commit, by only one jurisdiction.
 
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Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?

Does it depend on severity of the charges?


In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.


In this instance, the military is punishing you for something completely different.

Like at Bragg, if I got a DUI off post, I'd get charged by the civ cops.  With the Army.. I would have been slammed with disobeying an order from the division commander (since he put out a memo that specifically forbid any of us from getting a DUI..lol  it was so they would be able to punish us for it too).

EDIT.. I see I'm a little late to the party on this

Not in my experience. You get prosecuted for the crime you actually commit, by only one jurisdiction.
 


That's the beauty of the UCMJ, you always get charged with a laundry list of articles.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 6:08:55 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/12/2013 6:10:13 PM EDT
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When I was a PL, one of my Soldiers got caught slashing the tires of another Soldier's vehicle.  The victim turned the surveillance video over to the local cops, who then called me.  The local detective met up with me on post and he assured me that anything we could do would be 10x worse than what they could do in a civilian court.

He was right.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 7:03:15 PM EDT
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About 15 yrs ago, and moonlighting as uniformed (CPD) supplemental security at Chicago's Navy Pier.

A call of 4 men shooting dice near the USO club comes over the radio. So I walk over and sure enough 4 guys from Great Lakes are indeed shooting craps and all have full beer cups. I engage them in conversation, and of course, 1 & 2 are like sheep, #3 is standing there expressionless, NOW the 4th guys body language is saying its GO-TIME and is getting real confrontational. The 4th guy is getting louder and louder as my back up shows up. (My partner that day is a rifle qual away from going back into the Marine corp.) #4 Douche-bag is challenging me to fight etc. My partner now starts talking military stuff at them and words like Captains Mast and UCMJ brings the first 2 to openly crying, #3 has tears and to standing at attention and the DOUCHE-BAGS whole demeanor changed.  Personally the last thing I wanna do is jam up some military guys, but he opened his mouth...

About the time my partner and I, having decided to put them on a bus to the train station and be done with them- a woman walks up and flashes some military credentials at my partner. He looks at me with that OH SHIT look on his face, and tells me cuff'em all cause she is gonna press charges. Turns out she was a LT in the Naval something something, and she witnessed the whole event.

We do as asked, now 3 are crying and #4 is all teared up. She whips out small recorder and we give a brief statement. 1 week later Im served a federal subpoena- AT HOME.

Fast forward about 2 weeks- Im sworn in, and asked 2 questions. Shown a transcript and asked if I had made that statement, and #2 did the douche-bag(my words) threaten you as had been testified by the witness.3 were put on restriced something and lost  a weeks pay. Douche-bag got 30 days in jail(they called it something else) and corresponding lose of pay.

Long story to say if they had gone to court locally they would have got a slap on the wrist and been out the door. Nobody would have ever know in the military world.
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About 15 yrs ago, and moonlighting as uniformed (CPD) supplemental security at Chicago's Navy Pier.

A call of 4 men shooting dice near the USO club comes over the radio. So I walk over and sure enough 4 guys from Great Lakes are indeed shooting craps and all have full beer cups. I engage them in conversation, and of course, 1 & 2 are like sheep, #3 is standing there expressionless, NOW the 4th guys body language is saying its GO-TIME and is getting real confrontational. The 4th guy is getting louder and louder as my back up shows up. (My partner that day is a rifle qual away from going back into the Marine corp.) #4 Douche-bag is challenging me to fight etc. My partner now starts talking military stuff at them and words like Captains Mast and UCMJ brings the first 2 to openly crying, #3 has tears and to standing at attention and the DOUCHE-BAGS whole demeanor changed.  Personally the last thing I wanna do is jam up some military guys, but he opened his mouth...

About the time my partner and I, having decided to put them on a bus to the train station and be done with them- a woman walks up and flashes some military credentials at my partner. He looks at me with that OH SHIT look on his face, and tells me cuff'em all cause she is gonna press charges. Turns out she was a LT in the Naval something something, and she witnessed the whole event.

We do as asked, now 3 are crying and #4 is all teared up. She whips out small recorder and we give a brief statement. 1 week later Im served a federal subpoena- AT HOME.

Fast forward about 2 weeks- Im sworn in, and asked 2 questions. Shown a transcript and asked if I had made that statement, and #2 did the douche-bag(my words) threaten you as had been testified by the witness.3 were put on restriced something and lost  a weeks pay. Douche-bag got 30 days in jail(they called it something else) and corresponding lose of pay.

Long story to say if they had gone to court locally they would have got a slap on the wrist and been out the door. Nobody would have ever know in the military world.
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You could have told "LT something" to go fuck herself, she was completely outside her authority and jurisdiction to order you to arrest them.
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Just had to deal with this.  It all depends on the severity of the charges.  Police get your military ID and call your chain of command.  Or you have to take leave for your court date, in which case you have to fess up.  Or you lie, blow off court in another state, and eventually get caught when a warrent gets put out for you.

It all depends on the charges.  In my most recent case the guy was pulled off leave.  The charges ended up being reduced to a couple of misdemeanour's and he will probably get some extra duties and cut pay.  It all depends on the situation.  Violent charges, felonies, or anything drug/alcohol related, and you are getting kicked out as a best case.  If its not one of those, then its dealt with case by case.
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You could have told "LT something" to go fuck herself, she was completely outside her authority and jurisdiction to order you to arrest them.
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Yes, but as an officer of CID/NCIS  (only badge carriers in the military generally) she could have detained them herself lawfully and requested assistance from the OP. CID/NCIS officers have lawful powers of detaining any military member pretty much anywhere.
Link Posted: 8/12/2013 9:03:35 PM EDT
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The authorities generally do not notify the military.  
If they are local and have a relationship with the base they may notify and conduct a courtesy turnover.
But there is no automatic notification or alert system.
If someone gets arrested ouf otf the local area, it's possible the unit will not find out.
It depends, I've seen both.

Some people who get arrested never tell the command and take leave when they go to court and the command may never find out.

The Double Jeopardy rules were strengthed in the past several years.  The military will not prosecute someone for the same crime while it is still pending in civilian court.
But you may get processed for associated infractions that are not prosecuted by civilian courts.
e.g., you get arrested for DUI; the military will defer to the civilian court for prosecution of the DUI, but the military may take the individual to Article 15 for Unauthorized Absence.


In general however, if someone is held by civil authorities they are not UA or a deserter (a change from past practice) but they are charged leave for every day in jail they miss work.

If the civilian court decides not to prosecute, the military may elect to do so.  
We have a fairly good relationship with civil authorities, and share evidence and case files.
The civilian courts know the standards of evidence at an Article 15 are lower than at Court Martial or civilian trial.

A CO may also "notify" someone to appear before an Administrative Separation board and show cause for retention which is not an Article 15.
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We had a NCO in my Flt get arrested for domestic and he spent a couple days in jail before we could bail him out.  Shirt told him if the city kept jurisdiction he was going to get charged with AWOL/conduct unbecoming.  City dropped the charges and the base charged with assault (I think) instead.
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Not in my experience. You get prosecuted for the crime you actually commit, by only one jurisdiction.
 
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Say you're active duty, on leave, and get arrested by local LE. I'd assume it gets reported to your superiors, will they take action against you too?

Does it depend on severity of the charges?


In my experience, which was a while ago, you get busted by both. The civilians deal with you first, then when you get released and return to base you'd most likely get an Article 15 or worse depending on the charges.


In this instance, the military is punishing you for something completely different.

Like at Bragg, if I got a DUI off post, I'd get charged by the civ cops.  With the Army.. I would have been slammed with disobeying an order from the division commander (since he put out a memo that specifically forbid any of us from getting a DUI..lol  it was so they would be able to punish us for it too).

EDIT.. I see I'm a little late to the party on this

Not in my experience. You get prosecuted for the crime you actually commit, by only one jurisdiction.
 


The USAF didn't see it that way up until last year (when I got out of AD)...I have no idea what they do now.
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