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Posted: 6/7/2014 11:52:56 AM EDT

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Just a heads up. I received the bag I ordered from Larue from UPS today.

It's MUCH smaller than I had anticipated, and it's not quite possible to double it over and fold it. If you were to attempt to fold it in half and use it, it's over 4" in height before adding a stock or any weight to it. Now with that said, if you simply turn it on it's side, with a long edge down, it feels pretty fat and firm while only measuring approximately 2.5-2.75" in height before adding any weight/a stock to it.

Depending on how we're viewing the rules, it seems like this bag would only be usable if set up in specific ways.

Akethan, any idea when yours will arrive?

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My kid says it has arrived along with a Memorial Day 2014 dillo.

I have to work until 2pm I'll post when I get home.

Posted: 6/7/2014 3:40:12 PM EDT

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I'm okay with the the Accuracy first bag.

Posted: 6/7/2014 5:11:42 PM EDT

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Definitely looks like the one. It's a great bag, but depending on position the thing can be quite tall.

As I had said, I'm not sure how that'll be seen in regards to the rules of this challenge. In some configurations it's much larger in height compared to a softball.

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The point is, is that it isn't big enough for you to not need to apply pressure to it. That is the key.

Posted: 6/7/2014 8:34:25 PM EDT

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The point is, is that it isn't big enough for you to not need to apply pressure to it. That is the key.

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Definitely looks like the one. It's a great bag, but depending on position the thing can be quite tall.

As I had said, I'm not sure how that'll be seen in regards to the rules of this challenge. In some configurations it's much larger in height compared to a softball.

The point is, is that it isn't big enough for you to not need to apply pressure to it. That is the key.

Cool. I shot with nothing but a bipod today. I'll have the results up in an hour or so. Just need to do the math.

Tried some shooting with the accuracy first bag and it was quite comfortable. I'll definitely be keeping it in my range bag to use in the future.

Posted: 6/7/2014 10:04:59 PM EDT

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Alright, let's try this spr entry again.

1. Range at 100yards.

2. Target with 5 groups.

3. Full shot with caliper NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction.

4. Picture of rifle as shot.

SPR 100yd; Mike_P: Larue Stealth upper .223 Rem 18"/13.2" - Predatobr Black gold trigger + Atlas Bipod + A2 stock - 12x SWFA SS in LT104, Handloads (77gr Nosler Custom Competition, 23.5gr 8208xbr, Matching LC headstamped Brass, Rem 7 1/2 Primers), Groups 0.464 / 0.552 / 0.524 / 0.513 / 0.462 = avg .503 MOA

Posted: 6/7/2014 10:07:54 PM EDT

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Mike, you are getting some sick groups with that rifle.

Posted: 6/7/2014 10:13:33 PM EDT

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I've got to try out that XBR powder I've got sitting around.

You trickling each one or just throwing it?

Posted: 6/7/2014 10:28:01 PM EDT

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Thanks guys.

Infinite, just throwing it on a Hornady LnL. Powder drop has been polished inside and cleaned quite often. It's extremely accurate with this powder, I verify it on 2 scales every 10-15 rounds or so. Also a quick dryer sheet rub down before I load.

Posted: 6/8/2014 12:42:34 AM EDT

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Alright, let's try this spr entry again.

1. Range at 100yards.

http://mywrx.net/targetrange.JPG

2. Target with 5 groups.

http://mywrx.net/calctarg.jpg

3. Full shot with caliper NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction.

http://mywrx.net/lt-target-1.JPG

4. Picture of rifle as shot.

http://mywrx.net/rifle.JPG

SPR 100yd; Mike_P: Larue Stealth upper .223 Rem 18"/13.2" - Predatobr Black gold trigger + Atlas Bipod + A2 stock - 12x SWFA SS in LT104, Handloads (77gr Nosler Custom Competition, 23.5gr 8208xbr, Matching LC headstamped Brass, Rem 7 1/2 Primers), Groups 0.464 / 0.552 / 0.524 / 0.513 / 0.462 = avg .503 MOA

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as good as it gets!!!

Posted: 6/8/2014 9:55:50 AM EDT

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Alright, let's try this spr entry again.

1. Range at 100yards.

http://mywrx.net/targetrange.JPG

2. Target with 5 groups.

http://mywrx.net/calctarg.jpg

3. Full shot with caliper NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction.

http://mywrx.net/lt-target-1.JPG

4. Picture of rifle as shot.

http://mywrx.net/rifle.JPG

SPR 100yd; Mike_P: Larue Stealth upper .223 Rem 18"/13.2" - Predatobr Black gold trigger + Atlas Bipod + A2 stock - 12x SWFA SS in LT104, Handloads (77gr Nosler Custom Competition, 23.5gr 8208xbr, Matching LC headstamped Brass, Rem 7 1/2 Primers), Groups 0.464 / 0.552 / 0.524 / 0.513 / 0.462 = avg .503 MOA

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Nice shooting. That rifle is a keeper.

How do you like the SS scope? I'm looking at getting one for my Savage, it looks like the best bet in that price range.

Posted: 6/8/2014 12:37:37 PM EDT

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Outstanding Mike!

Posted: 6/8/2014 2:17:20 PM EDT

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Mike, awesome shooting!!

Posted: 6/8/2014 4:28:04 PM EDT

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Alright, let's try this spr entry again.

1. Range at 100yards.

http://mywrx.net/targetrange.JPG

2. Target with 5 groups.

http://mywrx.net/calctarg.jpg

3. Full shot with caliper NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction.

http://mywrx.net/lt-target-1.JPG

4. Picture of rifle as shot.

http://mywrx.net/rifle.JPG

SPR 100yd; Mike_P: Larue Stealth upper .223 Rem 18"/13.2" - Predatobr Black gold trigger + Atlas Bipod + A2 stock - 12x SWFA SS in LT104, Handloads (77gr Nosler Custom Competition, 23.5gr 8208xbr, Matching LC headstamped Brass, Rem 7 1/2 Primers), Groups 0.464 / 0.552 / 0.524 / 0.513 / 0.462 = avg .503 MOA

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Wow, those are some sick groups. Nice shooting!

Posted: 6/9/2014 12:47:15 AM EDT

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22lr 100 yard scoped

billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum hollow fore end adapter, Weaver T-36X scope, SK Pistol Match

Groups: 1.23”, 0.62”, 1.21”, 0.88”, 1.27” Ave: 1.042 MOA=1 (0.995)

http://i39.tinypic.com/w7o1gj.jpg

Rifle is the one on bottom, I routinely take the scope on and off this rifle without much drift in POA/POI, this time I think it hurt me, after I was done shooting I found out front ring was loose

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All pictures above apply, shot on the same day, I will post target pics to go with the data

22lr 25 yard iron

billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum Hollow Fore End adapter, SK Pistol Match

Groups: 0.692, 0.321, 0.444, 0.613, 0.509 Ave: 0.516 MOA=1.97MOA, call it 2

target

best group close up

Possum

Posted: 6/9/2014 8:38:18 AM EDT

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I edited my post on page 10 to put it in the proper scoring format:

100yd Bolt Division with magnified optics, HKocher: HS Precision Pro 2000 HTR, .308 168gr FGMM, Leupold Mk 4 LR/T 3.5-10x40mm M1.
Groups: .755"/.890"/.822"/.480"/.318" = Average .653" = .624 MOA

Posted: 6/9/2014 10:56:35 AM EDT

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Thanks again all. I'm loving the rifle. I don't think there's a single part that doesn't feel "right".

Sgtmack, I love the SS. It's not a high dollar scope but in it's price range it's an amazing performer. Clear glass and a nice thin reticle. No need to worry about magnification adjustment or anything like this. Just point and shoot, assuming you have basic fundamentals down.

Posted: 6/9/2014 11:58:34 AM EDT

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All pictures above apply, shot on the same day, I will post target pics to go with the data

22lr 25 yard iron

billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum Hollow Fore End adapter, Weaver T-36X scope, SK Pistol Match

Groups: 0.692, 0.321, 0.444, 0.613, 0.509 Ave: 0.516 MOA=1.97MOA, call it 2

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Nice shooting Billy, but you can't use a scope in that division!

J/k I'm sure you copy/pasted.

Posted: 6/9/2014 2:23:16 PM EDT

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Nice shooting Billy, but you can't use a scope in that division!

J/k I'm sure you copy/pasted.

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All pictures above apply, shot on the same day, I will post target pics to go with the data

22lr 25 yard iron

billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum Hollow Fore End adapter, SK Pistol Match

Groups: 0.692, 0.321, 0.444, 0.613, 0.509 Ave: 0.516 MOA=1.97MOA, call it 2

Nice shooting Billy, but you can't use a scope in that division!

J/k I'm sure you copy/pasted.

, copied and pasted from a word doc, just changing the numbers

fixed it, thanks

Posted: 6/9/2014 5:26:15 PM EDT

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, copied and pasted from a word doc, just changing the numbers

fixed it, thanks

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All pictures above apply, shot on the same day, I will post target pics to go with the data

22lr 25 yard iron

billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum Hollow Fore End adapter, SK Pistol Match

Groups: 0.692, 0.321, 0.444, 0.613, 0.509 Ave: 0.516 MOA=1.97MOA, call it 2

Nice shooting Billy, but you can't use a scope in that division!

J/k I'm sure you copy/pasted.

, copied and pasted from a word doc, just changing the numbers

fixed it, thanks

You got me all confused now. Resubmit with proper pics etc.

Posted: 6/15/2014 9:46:11 PM EDT

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All pictures above apply, shot on the same day, I will post target pics to go with the data

22lr 25 yard iron

billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum Hollow Fore End adapter, SK Pistol Match

Groups: 0.692, 0.321, 0.444, 0.613, 0.509 Ave: 0.516 MOA=1.97MOA, call it 2

http://i62.tinypic.com/208fpdk.jpg target

http://i60.tinypic.com/ed4x5.jpg best group close up

http://i58.tinypic.com/2hsazq9.jpg Possum

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22lr 100 yard scoped

billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum hollow fore end adapter, Weaver T-36X scope, SK Pistol Match

Groups: 1.23”, 0.62”, 1.21”, 0.88”, 1.27” Ave: 1.042 MOA=1 (0.995)

http://i39.tinypic.com/w7o1gj.jpg

Rifle is the one on bottom, I routinely take the scope on and off this rifle without much drift in POA/POI, this time I think it hurt me, after I was done shooting I found out front ring was loose

All pictures above apply, shot on the same day, I will post target pics to go with the data

22lr 25 yard iron

billyhill: Suhl KK 150-1, 22lr, Possum Hollow Fore End adapter, SK Pistol Match

Groups: 0.692, 0.321, 0.444, 0.613, 0.509 Ave: 0.516 MOA=1.97MOA, call it 2

http://i62.tinypic.com/208fpdk.jpg target

http://i60.tinypic.com/ed4x5.jpg best group close up

http://i58.tinypic.com/2hsazq9.jpg Possum

possum looks bored

Posted: 6/15/2014 11:25:10 PM EDT

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1. Range at 100yards. (lane 4)

2. Target with 5 groups.

3. Full shot with caliper NOT adjusted for bullet size reduction.

4. Picture of rifle as shot.

SPR Division (AR/AK/FAL/M1A etc WITH magnified optics) at 100 yards

Logicgear: AR-15 HomeBuilt .223 Rem 16", Vortex Viper HS 4-16x44, 69gr SMK handloads 1.426"/1.008"/1.199"/.894"/1.313" AVG=1.168" MOA=1.116"

Posted: 6/16/2014 12:01:40 AM EDT

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Submitting this to better my ranking in the 100 yard SPR Division (previous entry was back on page 5)

I was supposed to meet some guys at the range today, but they weren't there, so I decided to get some zero/chrono information for Black Hills 223 77SMK (my turrets are currently zeroed for Georgia Arms 77SMK). And since there's probably no better way to determine an average zero, I decided to do the do the MOA ALL DAY thing.

Targets and setup at 100 yards:

Target (yes, the date on the target is wrong; there are also some extra holes near the lower-left target dot, which are explained below):

Best group:

An explanation of the extra holes at the lower-left target dot: the crazy chic next to me [as noted above] mistakenly put three of her shots on my target - our targets looked very similar, and in the course of target fixation, well there you have it. She was shooting .22LR, and you can see that the holes are clearly different from the holes left from the .223 rounds, so the measurement for that group just measures the .223 impacts - and ignores the crazy.

The rifle and shooting position I was using:

Measurements were made with my daughter's crazy chic's ruler, rounding up to the nearest 1/16", where appropriate.

SPR 100 yards, L_JE: Noveske w/.223 18" WOA barrel - Vortex PST 2.5-10x - Black Hills 77SMK .223. Groups: 0.651"/0.651"/1.026"/1.026"/1.526" = avg 0.976" = 0.932 MOA

Posted: 6/16/2014 12:30:14 AM EDT

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Submitting this to better my ranking in the 100 yard SPR Division (previous entry was back on page 5)

I was supposed to meet some guys at the range today, but they weren't there, so I decided to get some zero/chrono information for Black Hills 223 77SMK (my turrets are currently zeroed for Georgia Arms 77SMK). And since there's probably no better way to determine an average zero, I decided to do the do the MOA ALL DAY thing.

Targets and setup at 100 yards:
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/0471861731/2014/20140615%20Range/IMG_20140615_121006-Az_zpsab6444db.jpg

Target (yes, the date on the target is wrong; there are also some extra holes near the lower-left target dot, which are explained below):
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/0471861731/2014/20140615%20Range/_DSC2154Az_zpsd9a59bc5.jpg

Best group:
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/0471861731/2014/20140615%20Range/_DSC2155Az_zpsf2ba558d.jpg

An explanation of the extra holes at the lower-left target dot: the crazy chic next to me [as noted above] mistakenly put three of her shots on my target - our targets looked very similar, and in the course of target fixation, well there you have it. She was shooting .22LR, and you can see that the holes are clearly different from the holes left from the .223 rounds, so the measurement for that group just measures the .223 impacts - and ignores the crazy.
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/0471861731/2014/20140615%20Range/_DSC2155Bz_zpsbc453438.jpg

The rifle and shooting position I was using:
http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/0471861731/2014/20140615%20Range/IMG_20140615_120956Az_zps7e5464a1.jpg

Measurements were made with my daughter's crazy chic's ruler, rounding up to the nearest 1/16", where appropriate.

SPR 100 yards, L_JE: Noveske w/.223 18" WOA barrel - Vortex PST 2.5-10x - Black Hills 77SMK .223. Groups: 0.651"/0.651"/1.026"/1.026"/1.526" = avg 0.976" = 0.932 MOA

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Nice Shooting L_JE.

you should jump to #16 & put me at #20

Posted: 6/16/2014 12:48:43 AM EDT

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He has that luxury, he is the official target cat. That face is him trying to chew on the camera's strap.

I am going to reshoot the 25 iron sight next weekend

Posted: 6/16/2014 5:27:22 AM EDT

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I am going to reshoot the 25 iron sight next weekend

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possum looks bored

He has that luxury, he is the official target cat. That face is him trying to chew on the camera's strap.

I am going to reshoot the 25 iron sight next weekend

waiting on match ammo to get out and shoot the challenge.

Posted: 6/16/2014 9:30:14 PM EDT

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Got a chance to get to the range on Father's day and give this a whirl. I've been working on load development for this rifle this spring and felt like I had a load getting close enough to give this a legitimate shot.

Set up:

View from the bench. I was shooting 100 yds. Target stand second from the left.

Pic of the finished target. Please note that group sizes shown on target are out/out:

Pic of best group with calipers. Once again out/out measurement:

My rear bag was home-made by my buddies mom, and measures about 6"x4"x1-1/2". Please advise if this is outside the acceptable limits.

The center group got the better of me, and I need a lot more practice, and a little fine tuning on the load itself. I'm pretty happy for my skill level and the rifle - I got less than $1k in it including the scope, rings, bipod, and cheek rest.

Bolt division with magnified optic (100 yd): sommere54 - Savage Model 10 FP-SR .223 Rem, Primary Arms 4-14x FFP - 69 gr. SMK, CCI 400 SRP, 23.1 gr. 8208XBR @ 2.270" COAL - Groups: 0.871", 0.991", 1.681", 1.131", 0.734"= Avg. Group 1.0816" = Avg. MOA 1.033

ETA: changed group sizes to nominal in order to clean up math (group size out/out - 0.224")

Posted: 6/16/2014 9:56:40 PM EDT

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akethan, can I get my .22LR 100 yard entry back on page 5 added to the list?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html&page=5#i43958429

Also, I believe my 600 yard target with my SPR (page 5) could be listed in the Unlimited Class. It was disqualified from the SPR Division because of my jacket, but it still meets the requirements for the Unlimited Class.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html&page=5#i43639201

Posted: 6/16/2014 11:13:43 PM EDT

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Got a chance to get to the range on Father's day and give this a whirl. I've been working on load development for this rifle this spring and felt like I had a load getting close enough to give this a legitimate shot.

Set up:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/bench_zps1f971e5e.jpg

View from the bench. I was shooting 100 yds. Target stand second from the left.

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/range_zps165cb5a9.jpg

Pic of the finished target:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/wholetarget_zps032a1cd4.jpg

Pic of best group with calipers:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/bestgroup_zps8f759107.jpg

My rear bag was home-made by my buddies mom, and measures about 6"x4"x1-1/2". Please advise if this is outside the acceptable limits.

The center group got the better of me, and I need a lot more practice, and a little fine tuning on the load itself. I'm pretty happy for my skill level and the rifle - I got less than $1k in it including the scope, rings, bipod, and cheek rest.

Bolt division with magnified optic (100 yd): sommere54 - Savage Model 10 FP-SR .223 Rem, Primary Arms 4-14x FFP - 69 gr. SMK, CCI 400 SRP, 23.1 gr. 8208XBR @ 2.270" COAL - Groups: 1.095", 1.215", 1.905", 1.355", 0.958" = Avg. Group 1.3056" = Avg. MOA 1.033

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1.3056" at 100 yards is 1.247 MOA. Good shooting and nice gun though!

Posted: 6/17/2014 6:02:49 PM EDT

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1.3056" at 100 yards is 1.247 MOA. Good shooting and nice gun though!

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Got a chance to get to the range on Father's day and give this a whirl. I've been working on load development for this rifle this spring and felt like I had a load getting close enough to give this a legitimate shot.

Set up:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/bench_zps1f971e5e.jpg

View from the bench. I was shooting 100 yds. Target stand second from the left.

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/range_zps165cb5a9.jpg

Pic of the finished target:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/wholetarget_zps032a1cd4.jpg

Pic of best group with calipers:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/bestgroup_zps8f759107.jpg

My rear bag was home-made by my buddies mom, and measures about 6"x4"x1-1/2". Please advise if this is outside the acceptable limits.

The center group got the better of me, and I need a lot more practice, and a little fine tuning on the load itself. I'm pretty happy for my skill level and the rifle - I got less than $1k in it including the scope, rings, bipod, and cheek rest.

Bolt division with magnified optic (100 yd): sommere54 - Savage Model 10 FP-SR .223 Rem, Primary Arms 4-14x FFP - 69 gr. SMK, CCI 400 SRP, 23.1 gr. 8208XBR @ 2.270" COAL - Groups: 1.095", 1.215", 1.905", 1.355", 0.958" = Avg. Group 1.3056" = Avg. MOA 1.033

1.3056" at 100 yards is 1.247 MOA. Good shooting and nice gun though!

My mistake - the groups I listed are outside/outside. I have a spreadsheet that figured the average MOA based on a .224" diameter bullet, which I simply translated to my post without verifying the math. I can edit my original post to reflect the center/center groups if needed, which would then average to 1.0816" and subsequently 1.033 MOA.

I think....

ETA: group sizes in my submission above have been adjusted per the rules (and to make sense

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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:11:09 PM EDT

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akethan, can I get my .22LR 100 yard entry back on page 5 added to the list?
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html&page=5#i43958429

Also, I believe my 600 yard target with my SPR (page 5) could be listed in the Unlimited Class. It was disqualified from the SPR Division because of my jacket, but it still meets the requirements for the Unlimited Class.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1518887___ARFCOM_1_MOA_ALL_DAY_LONG__Challenge_.html&page=5#i43639201

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I got your .22 added.

As far as the unlimited class goes. I'm not going to let everyone who does not follow the rules be listed in unlimited. If you have shot the same rifle setup and are listed in a class I'm not going to put in another entry under unlimited for breaking the rules.

Try to follow the rules and stay in a class. The grandfathered listings in unlimited will remain.

Posted: 6/17/2014 7:38:08 PM EDT

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My mistake - the groups I listed are outside/outside. I have a spreadsheet that figured the average MOA based on a .224" diameter bullet, which I simply translated to my post without verifying the math. I can edit my original post to reflect the center/center groups if needed, which would then average to 1.0816" and subsequently 1.033 MOA.

I think....

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Got a chance to get to the range on Father's day and give this a whirl. I've been working on load development for this rifle this spring and felt like I had a load getting close enough to give this a legitimate shot.
Set up:
http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/bench_zps1f971e5e.jpg
View from the bench. I was shooting 100 yds. Target stand second from the left.
http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/range_zps165cb5a9.jpg
Pic of the finished target:
http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/wholetarget_zps032a1cd4.jpg
Pic of best group with calipers:
http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/bestgroup_zps8f759107.jpg
My rear bag was home-made by my buddies mom, and measures about 6"x4"x1-1/2". Please advise if this is outside the acceptable limits.
The center group got the better of me, and I need a lot more practice, and a little fine tuning on the load itself. I'm pretty happy for my skill level and the rifle - I got less than $1k in it including the scope, rings, bipod, and cheek rest.
Bolt division with magnified optic (100 yd): sommere54 - Savage Model 10 FP-SR .223 Rem, Primary Arms 4-14x FFP - 69 gr. SMK, CCI 400 SRP, 23.1 gr. 8208XBR @ 2.270" COAL - Groups: 1.095", 1.215", 1.905", 1.355", 0.958" = Avg. Group 1.3056" = Avg. MOA 1.033

1.3056" at 100 yards is 1.247 MOA. Good shooting and nice gun though!

My mistake - the groups I listed are outside/outside. I have a spreadsheet that figured the average MOA based on a .224" diameter bullet, which I simply translated to my post without verifying the math. I can edit my original post to reflect the center/center groups if needed, which would then average to 1.0816" and subsequently 1.033 MOA.

I think....

Sorry I didn't notice that you forgot to subtract the caliber (as per the rules). Redone math should yield the same result (1.033) either way, but you should probably update for akethan's sake. Good shooting!

Posted: 6/17/2014 7:41:39 PM EDT

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I got your .22 added.

As far as the unlimited class goes. I'm not going to let everyone who does not follow the rules be listed in unlimited. If you have shot the same rifle setup and are listed in a class I'm not going to put in another entry under unlimited for breaking the rules.

Try to follow the rules and stay in a class. The grandfathered listings in unlimited will remain.

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Akethan, if I want to shoot longer than 100 yards (like 300), do I submit in the Unlimited class even if I don't use an illegal rest?

Posted: 6/17/2014 7:57:10 PM EDT

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Sorry I didn't notice that you forgot to subtract the caliber (as per the rules). Redone math should yield the same result (1.033) either way, but you should probably update for akethan's sake. Good shooting!

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Got a chance to get to the range on Father's day and give this a whirl. I've been working on load development for this rifle this spring and felt like I had a load getting close enough to give this a legitimate shot.

Set up:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/bench_zps1f971e5e.jpg

View from the bench. I was shooting 100 yds. Target stand second from the left.

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/range_zps165cb5a9.jpg

Pic of the finished target:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/wholetarget_zps032a1cd4.jpg

Pic of best group with calipers:

http://i1337.photobucket.com/albums/o667/sommere/bestgroup_zps8f759107.jpg

My rear bag was home-made by my buddies mom, and measures about 6"x4"x1-1/2". Please advise if this is outside the acceptable limits.

The center group got the better of me, and I need a lot more practice, and a little fine tuning on the load itself. I'm pretty happy for my skill level and the rifle - I got less than $1k in it including the scope, rings, bipod, and cheek rest.

Bolt division with magnified optic (100 yd): sommere54 - Savage Model 10 FP-SR .223 Rem, Primary Arms 4-14x FFP - 69 gr. SMK, CCI 400 SRP, 23.1 gr. 8208XBR @ 2.270" COAL - Groups: 1.095", 1.215", 1.905", 1.355", 0.958" = Avg. Group 1.3056" = Avg. MOA 1.033

1.3056" at 100 yards is 1.247 MOA. Good shooting and nice gun though!

My mistake - the groups I listed are outside/outside. I have a spreadsheet that figured the average MOA based on a .224" diameter bullet, which I simply translated to my post without verifying the math. I can edit my original post to reflect the center/center groups if needed, which would then average to 1.0816" and subsequently 1.033 MOA.

I think....

Sorry I didn't notice that you forgot to subtract the caliber (as per the rules). Redone math should yield the same result (1.033) either way, but you should probably update for akethan's sake. Good shooting!

No apologies necessary on your part, I screwed it up. Group sizes have been adjusted in order to make sense and meet requirements.

Posted: 6/17/2014 8:44:21 PM EDT

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You would be in the 100 yard class with your MOA adjusted for distance.

Posted: 6/17/2014 10:46:51 PM EDT

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You would be in the 100 yard class with your MOA adjusted for distance.

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Akethan, if I want to shoot longer than 100 yards (like 300), do I submit in the Unlimited class even if I don't use an illegal rest?

You would be in the 100 yard class with your MOA adjusted for distance.

Thanks!

Posted: 6/20/2014 8:46:12 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/20/2014 9:03:20 PM EDT

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Sorry Jeff

5. OK TO USE sandbag, rest, ruck, bipod, rock with a hat, sling etc. on forearm of the rifle.

**Will be OK to use a small rear sandbag (ie: sand sock or squeeze bag) or bean bag no bigger then a softball that must require constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

Posted: 6/20/2014 10:01:00 PM EDT

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Sorry Jeff

5. OK TO USE sandbag, rest, ruck, bipod, rock with a hat, sling etc. on forearm of the rifle.

**Will be OK to use a small rear sandbag (ie: sand sock or squeeze bag) or bean bag no bigger then a softball that must require constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

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That bag was smaller than a softball and accepted in previous entries.

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Posted: 6/20/2014 10:13:02 PM EDT

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300 BLK 100 yards

Doing load development today with 125 gr Speer TNT's and various charges of Lil Gun from starting load of 18.3 grains to 19.5 grains

18.3 grains lil gun 1.401-.308= 1.093

18.6 grains Lil gun 1.280-.308=0.972

18.9 grains Lil gun 1.210-.308=0.902

19.2 grains Lil gun 1.315-.308=1.007

19.5 grains Lil gun 1.039-.308=0.731

Ok, so I haven't proven my claim of 3/4 MOA yet, but it was a great day at the range. Pretty impressive that the barrel held avg MOA of 0.9408 among all powder charges.

When time permits, I will load up some more of the most promising load, 19.5 gr Lil gun, and see if I can't do 5 5 shot groups of 0.75 or less at 100

Posted: 6/20/2014 10:31:24 PM EDT

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That bag was smaller than a softball and accepted in previous entries.

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Sorry Jeff

5. OK TO USE sandbag, rest, ruck, bipod, rock with a hat, sling etc. on forearm of the rifle.

**Will be OK to use a small rear sandbag (ie: sand sock or squeeze bag) or bean bag no bigger then a softball that must require constant hand pressure to maintain hold on target.

That bag was smaller than a softball and accepted in previous entries.

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Posted: 6/21/2014 9:31:26 AM EDT

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I did have to squeeze it to maintain control and height. =/ But whatever. Measurements are 7 in. L x 4 in. W x 4.75 in H at the highest point.

Really disappointed that it wont be considered.

Isn't a softball like 4 inches in height?

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A 11" softball is 3.5" diameter and a 12" softball is 3.8" diameter.

Any bag with any dimension greater than 3.8" should be disqualified.

Posted: 6/21/2014 9:35:10 AM EDT

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But its still only 4" tall when folded in half

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http://www.laruetactical.com/shooting-bag-accuracy-first-shooting-rest-bag

Measures 8" X 5" x 2" that's a big soft ball

But its still only 4" tall when folded in half

4" is larger than a large softball which is 3.8".

Rules are rules.

Posted: 6/21/2014 10:21:31 AM EDT

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4" is larger than a large softball which is 3.8".

Rules are rules.

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Measures 8" X 5" x 2" that's a big soft ball

But its still only 4" tall when folded in half

4" is larger than a large softball which is 3.8".

Rules are rules.

Yep, even when they are stupid.

Posted: 6/21/2014 10:21:51 AM EDT

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There is quite a bit of difference between a bag and a shaped shooting rest.

Where are these other entries that you claim were allowed with the same rest?

BTW I didn't make that rule it was in place when I took this over.

Posted: 6/21/2014 4:42:45 PM EDT

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Can't wait until the rain lets up! Finally received a shipment of Wolf .22 Match Target, and shot my very first 25 rounds with it! I am excited to report that I will be moving up on the 50 yard .22 with magnified optics rank.
Started shooting as a storm moved in, and was in a bit of a hurry due to the thunder. The last group was being shot at a rate of about 1 every 7-10 seconds when it started hailing. Ow. One landed on my exposed calf, so I held up and shot when I reacquired a steady picture. Finished the 25th shot as hail started ripping through the trees. I grabbed my target fast, protecting it from rain as much as possible, and loaded the hatchback.
I need to go back out once it calms down and take a range pic and a setup pic, per the rules. Results are good (nipping at O_P's heels in 5th place), but I'll re-post everything per the rules when I get the pics in a bit...

...OK, made it back out after the rain passed:
Shot the same rifle as before, only with the award winning and leader board topping Wolf Match Target

Here is the range pic. You can see the remnants of the storm to the south and east. You can also see the damned invasive Asian Honeysuckle that has taken over the woods.

Obligatory calipers pic. Calipers is covering the last measurement, but the measurement is visible on the calipers. (.557") Sorry about that!

Target pic

Results:
Any 22lr rifle with magnified optic at 50 yards
Torf: modified Ruger 10/22 w/ Green Mountain 20" barrel & Archangel
stock, Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x50AO scope, Wolf Match Target, Groups:
0.482"/0.357"/0.414"/0.334"/0.514" Average = .4202" or 0.803 MOA

Posted: 6/22/2014 3:42:20 PM EDT

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I had 50 rounds left of the same load that I used in my first posting from last week, so I decided to give it another try and see if I could better my score. Less windy, but more humid this go around.

Bench/setup:

Shot of the range (shooting 100 yds):

Overall target:

Best group:

Bolt with magnified optics (100 yds) - sommere54: Savage Model 10 FP-SR .223 Rem with PA 4-14x FFP scope. Reloads: 69 SMK over 23.1 gr. 8208XBR in Hornady cases with CCI 400 primers. Groups: 0.821", 0.756", 0.910", 0.978", 0.849" - Avg: 0.863" - MOA: 0.824

Posted: 6/23/2014 4:51:35 PM EDT

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One of the things that jumps out at me as i look at the various entrties is that the old saw many of you with gray hair remember about how semiautos won't shoot just and simply does not apply to the modern ar.