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Posted: 8/8/2013 8:17:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/8/2013 8:31:24 AM EST by gym007]
I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him or drone strike him

So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens?

Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us?
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Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:26:54 AM EST
Originally Posted By gym007:
I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him

So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens?

Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us?
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If people accept what he did, they will have to reevaluate who they are and what they believe in and people hate being uncomfortable.

If what he says is true, it's hopeless since both parties are responsible for this and accepting it means you have to get out of your comfort bubble.

It's always been "it's the other sides fault!" But now, who do you turn to?

It would also mean, you actually might have to do something other than vote....

...and that's hard, so lets hate Snowden and use him as an escape goat for our own reluctance to get angry.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:27:56 AM EST
Once the case against him is publicized, I'm willing to bet there are going to be a lot of supporters of his doing complete 180s. He is one of the worst traitors in our recent history and hanging is too good of an end.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:28:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:



this.
there is a reason the soviets are harboring him.
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
You really think that's all he did?
What rock have you been living under?



this.
there is a reason the soviets are harboring him.


Because the US has pressured every other country not to take him at the risk of losing foreign aid?
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Originally Posted By ColonelPanic:
Once the case against him is publicized, I'm willing to bet there are going to be a lot of supporters of his doing complete 180s. He is one of the worst traitors in our recent history and hanging is too good of an end.
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Why? Do you hate the truth?
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:28:55 AM EST
They are week minded fools who would trade all of their freedom away for a modest amount of improved security.

Fuck them.

Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:29:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/8/2013 8:30:43 AM EST by Thunder900]
Originally Posted By gym007:
I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him

So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens?

Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us?
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The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:30:49 AM EST
I don't hate him
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:31:25 AM EST
I dont hate him and find the whole ordeal between Obunghole and Putin funny.
I still wonder if this administration wont make a swap for him though.
I have no clue what all secrets he took with him and no one on here does. I do appreciate him telling us about the spying and stuff but I hope he doesn't have anything that will jeopardize our military members.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:32:25 AM EST
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:33:27 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:33:51 AM EST
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Because the government told them he's a traitor.
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Originally Posted By Frost61:
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He would have "disappeared"

He had no other choices except to seek political asylum unless he wanted to die
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The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day.
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Originally Posted By Thunder900:
Originally Posted By gym007:
I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him

So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens?

Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us?



The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day.



Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:35:49 AM EST
This should not even be about Snowden.

It should be about the tyrannous government spying on us.
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Originally Posted By rabidus:
...and that's hard, so lets hate Snowden and use him as an escape goat for our own reluctance to get angry.
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Where do I get one of these?
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Originally Posted By Strongbow:



Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there.
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Originally Posted By Strongbow:
Originally Posted By Thunder900:
Originally Posted By gym007:
I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him

So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens?

Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us?



The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day.



Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there.


So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic?
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Because !!!

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Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:38:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By gym007:

Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us?
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To the government agents posting on this site and monitoring us it is.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:39:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:


honestly, he didn't release anything in that regard that was already pretty much known by anyone actually paying attention. about the only "secret" in that regard was the actual name of the program.
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By MadMardigan:
This should not even be about Snowden.

It should be about the tyrannous government spying on us.


honestly, he didn't release anything in that regard that was already pretty much known by anyone actually paying attention. about the only "secret" in that regard was the actual name of the program.

Wikipedia DCSNet, Carnivore Packet Sniffing Program...


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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:



this.
there is a reason the soviets are harboring him.
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
You really think that's all he did?
What rock have you been living under?



this.
there is a reason the soviets are harboring him.


He is a just a political football.

I think you guys watch too many movies.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:40:17 AM EST
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Originally Posted By gym007:


He would have "disappeared"

He had no other choices except to seek political asylum unless he wanted to die
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Originally Posted By gym007:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.


He would have "disappeared"

He had no other choices except to seek political asylum unless he wanted to die

that's not funny.


How come he didn't go to Great Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Israel, Mexico, Sweden, Italy, Japan?

So your saying whistleblowers that testifyied in the benghazi scandals are dead now too?




Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:40:29 AM EST
There's a rumor he may have leaked other state secrets to gain favor with the nations he was seeking asylum from.

IF that's true... it would make him sort of a douche and hurts his credibility as a whistleblower. I don't believe that it's true though. Just more of the lies concocted by a reactive government to destroy his character and reputation.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:40:33 AM EST
And all the while obunghole leaks top secrets almost daily.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:40:35 AM EST
Remember that at least 10%, and probably more like 20% of posters on this site depend on government in one form or another for their paycheck... and some may respond accordingly.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:41:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.
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Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.


Do you really think that the Obummer leg humping press would have put that story out??? Both parties voted for it so who do you turn to???

Originally Posted By Frost61:
Originally Posted By gym007:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.


He would have "disappeared"

He had no other choices except to seek political asylum unless he wanted to die

that's not funny.


How come he didn't go to Great Britain, France, Germany, Canada, Israel, Mexico, Sweden, Italy, Japan?

So your saying whistleblowers that testifyied in the benghazi scandals are dead now too?







Who says he didn't ask these countries for asylum????

They are not dead, but they have been made well aware that if they talk their career is over and they could face jail for breaking confidentiality agreements!
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Where do I get one of these?
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Originally Posted By surveyor3:
Originally Posted By rabidus:
...and that's hard, so lets hate Snowden and use him as an escape goat for our own reluctance to get angry.

Where do I get one of these?

On the other side of the fence!
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:41:26 AM EST
There are a bunch of boot licking, freedom hating statists patriots on this board. And there was a story, that had to be true, in the mainstream media about how Snowden gave intel to the evil Chinese.

China+ Russia + North Korea = a smaller threat to my liberty than the Federal Govt.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:41:51 AM EST
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If Manning got away with it, why would Snowden be convicted? Serious question.
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Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.
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Going to the press might not be safe. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hastings-panicked-email-fbi-death-article-1.1380539
This reporter was covering Snowden. Could be coincidence, who knows.
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Originally Posted By Dehammer:


He is a just a political football.

I think you guys watch too many movies.
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Originally Posted By Dehammer:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:
You really think that's all he did?
What rock have you been living under?



this.
there is a reason the soviets are harboring him.


He is a just a political football.

I think you guys watch too many movies.


I think some of the older members here are still living in the cold war era
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:43:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By poorman:


Do you really think that the Obummer leg humping press would have put that story out??? Both parties voted for it so who do you turn to???
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Originally Posted By poorman:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.


Do you really think that the Obummer leg humping press would have put that story out??? Both parties voted for it so who do you turn to???




You really think Fox would of turned it down along with conservative idealed papers/media?
A couple of months back the press was jumping Obama, anyone would want to break that story.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:44:02 AM EST
Because they suck Obama's cock and Snowden made Obama look bad.

Consider that, it's ok(according to "them") for Obama to fund Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood; organizations that have murdered American citizens, attacked an embassy and assassinated an Ambassador. It's also OK for the head of the DOJ to run guns to the Mexican Drug cartels which are responsible for the killing of US Border Patrol agents .
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Originally Posted By ColonelPanic:
Once the case against him is publicized, I'm willing to bet there are going to be a lot of supporters of his doing complete 180s. He is one of the worst traitors in our recent history and hanging is too good of an end.
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So you know details of the case against him that no one else knows? That would mean you are part of the intelligence community spying on citizens. Or are you just making baseless exaggerated claims?
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Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
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Funniest thing I have heard on the internet in years.....
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Originally Posted By scootr29:
Funniest thing I have heard on the internet in years.....
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Originally Posted By scootr29:
Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.
Funniest thing I have heard on the internet in years.....

Its GD. Just roll with it
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Originally Posted By watchwatch:
There are a bunch of boot licking, freedom hating statists patriots on this board.
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FIFY

Yes there are. I've been compiling a nice list of them so I know who to ignore when anything of importance comes up like gun legislation or elections.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:49:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:
Because they suck Obama's cock and Snowden made Obama look bad.

Consider that, it's ok(according to "them") for Obama to fund Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood; organizations that have murdered American citizens, attacked an embassy and assassinated an Ambassador. It's also OK for the head of the DOJ to run guns to the Mexican Drug cartels which are responsible for the killing of US Border Patrol agents .
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Weeeeeehooooooooooo.....fuck yeah. As long as it's 'MERICA doing it everything gonna be right cuz 'MERICA is kicking ass and taking names. Snowden is a commie loving traitor cuz he hates 'MERICA and freedom!!!!! Weeee doggie
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:49:26 AM EST
Because now we aren't safe from Russichinerrorists.
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Originally Posted By Thunder900:



The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day.
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Originally Posted By Thunder900:
Originally Posted By gym007:
I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him

So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens?

Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us?



The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day.


I don't care who he gave info to. He gave it to the people and he gave it to other countries. Screw our government, they're not looking out for us or anyone else. I don't care if our government's enemies have our government's secrets. I respect Snowden. Guy has balls and did what he believed was right. Time will tell if he was right. I don't know all the details though so this is just off what I know. But if our government hates him, then I'm naturally gonna love him!
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:51:49 AM EST
Snowden leaked enough operational intelligence material COMPLETELY UNRELATED to anything having to do with domestic surveillance to warrant espionage charges.
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Originally Posted By gym007:


So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic?
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Originally Posted By gym007:
Originally Posted By Strongbow:
Originally Posted By Thunder900:
Originally Posted By gym007:
I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him

So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens?

Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us?



The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day.



Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there.


So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic?

Pretty much sums up why I think every Snowden supporter has the IQ of an old sneaker.

If he exposed the policy about spying on us and stayed inside the US and fought for what was right, he might be considered a hero.

When he ran to China and Russia and made the choice every single day to buy his time there with our secrets and put real heroes at risk, he became a traitor who should be hung.

I mean that from the bottom of my heart as someone who is 100% against the death penalty for anything but treason.

There is more than one issue with this to consider when deciding whether to stand him on a dais and put a medal or a noose on him.

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+100.
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:53:48 AM EST
The moralities and legalities of his actions, and those of the government's actions, are two topics, not just one.
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Originally Posted By Frost61:
Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info.
He could of went to the press with it instead.
Funniest thing I have heard on the internet in years.....




This isn't Nazi Germany yet honey bun...
Joseph Goebbels burned himself to a nice crisp
Your telling me in this whole freakin country no one would want to report on this story?

Unfortunately Fritz and Hinkel haven't come and kicked down my door yet for speaking out against the mocha messiah
Link Posted: 8/8/2013 8:55:22 AM EST
"Why didn't citizens just sue the NSA to find out if they were spied on?"

Because they can't fight it without standing, and they can't have standing without showing they were spied on...by secret programs that won't provide that proof to people attempting to reveal them, as shown in Jewel v NSA. It's a legal catch-22, and previous leaks based on first-hand testimony and conventional oversight mechanisms failed to provide that.

That makes attacking this whistleblower inextricable from supporting massive domestic surveillance. When all legal avenues to recourse are exhausted or sealed off, then like the founding fathers people will resort to less-than-legal remedies.
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