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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:30:35 PM EDT
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mcCaskill...what a waste Yeah thanks Akin, learn how to be a politician not an evangelical kamikaze 
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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:34:11 PM EDT
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Cocksucker Kaine.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 4:31:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless the treaty has a gold fringe!!!!  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Luckily, treaties with any nation do not override the US Constitution. Unless the treaty has a gold fringe!!!! I accept that for value  |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 5:34:57 PM EDT
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Only democrats want to give our rights to a foreign entity. Nice try skippy. Keep stumping for the dems mobies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same!  Only the velocity is different, the direction is the same. BTW, the Patrick Henry Solution FTMFW. Only democrats want to give our rights to a foreign entity. Nice try skippy. Keep stumping for the dems mobies. I'm a Patrick Henry Conservative. You just let everyone know that you haven't read the whole book because an IQ three (3) points above plant life prevents you.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 5:45:45 PM EDT
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Just the usual suspects...nothing really shocking...
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Posted: 8/6/2013 5:50:04 PM EDT
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http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/docs/ATT_text_(As_adopted_by_the_GA)-E.pdf
The treaty leaves every State Party free to define the Small Arms it applies to as it sees fit, and control them as it sees fit. The only people who can decide our current rules for serial numbers, 4473s, export limitations, etc. are not adequate, is our own legislature. The only issue I see that might affect US gunowners is with imports, as a State Party may decide the US system does not establish adequate end use assurance, and illicit re-export may occur. That's a bit of a stretch, as the US has plenty of laws preventing this. The whole idea that sovereignty is given to a foreign power is patently absurd. Should the Conference of States Parties this establishes push policies the US Congress disagrees with ( and for some reason the US delegation at the time joins consensus on, as such things have to by unanimous), the US or any other State Party can always withdraw. Oh, and what vote was this? The one from months ago? |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 6:50:25 PM EDT
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I don't know if the vote was from months ago or weeks ago. With that being said, its just important now as it was months ago and weeks ago.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 6:53:44 PM EDT
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Cuntwell and the soccer mom...no surprise...
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:00:53 PM EDT
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Fugg Bennett & Udall (both Dem from CO)
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:03:48 PM EDT
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I don't know if the vote was from months ago or weeks ago. With that being said, its just important now as it was months ago and weeks ago. It wasn't important then, it isn't important now. If you are concerned about the ATT, the actual ratification vote is the one you need to pay attention to. That vote was done before the treaty text was even agreed to. It was a political stunt meant to pander to the types who would never read it, and who have kept Larry Pratt employed all these years, nothing more. |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:03:59 PM EDT
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We need to take out the garbage in Virginia.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:04:08 PM EDT
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No R's on that list.
But obama was a better vote than romney I was told. Makes one wonder. |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:09:04 PM EDT
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Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N. Durbin (D-IL) Shocked I tell you, shocked. +1 |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:12:08 PM EDT
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Minnesota wins again.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:15:11 PM EDT
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The vote was for an amendment to the budget back in March.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/290001-senate-votes-to-stop-us-from-joining-un-arms-treaty |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:26:53 PM EDT
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same! So you're laying on the ground, spraying the room down from a femoral wound, and you have: 1) A Bandaid. 2) A tourniquet. 3) Nothing. You'd choose 3? |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 7:32:42 PM EDT
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Luckily, treaties with any nation do not override the US Constitution. Given, you have to have an administrative and judicial branch that recognizes the Constitution as binding....... The frailty of this concept seems lost on many here with their heads firmly ensconced....... I mean, it's completely ludicrous that this administration would thumb it's nose at constitutional limits placed on the government, right? Those wacky arfcommers, nuts, I tell ya. |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 8:01:09 PM EDT
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Libertarians save the day... once again.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 9:55:34 PM EDT
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I agree with Liberals on certain issues where they stand for liberty and freedom, typically issues where Republicans advocate statism. Gay marriage and legalizing drugs are among them. Open borders and abortion on demand are not. I don't want to gut our military but I also don't want to waste it bombing then rebuilding middle east countries to no real effect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same! Congratulations, you're slightly less statist than the full blown socialists in the Democrat party on some issues. Now we'll just ignore the fact the Reps created the Patriot Act, DHS, and TSA. I don't think any libertarians actually believe that the Reps are the Same as the Dems. Libertarians tend to vote Republican almost elusively except in the rare circumstance that a libertarians is actually on a ballot. But I do believe they are not nearly different enough. There does seem to be a number of dim Republicans who can't distinguish between a Libertarian and a Liberal despite the fact that Liberals always advocate state solutions to all of societys ills while Libertarians see the state as the last worst solution in almost every instance. The biggest difference between the Dems and Reps, is that Republicans tend to be highly nationalist while still being all too statist, while Dems tend to be internationalist, apparently possessing too much statism for just one state! 
So yes, I prefer nationalist statism over internationalism. But I'd rather no statism at all. Now, if there is some prize for excessive usage of he word "state" you can PM me for my address. Because most "libertarians" have an identical social agenda as the lets close all our foreign bases, scrap all our force projection capabilities, and gut the defense budget by 80%, because nothing bad could possibly happen"), and anti war (cut, and run) stance of the left as well. Basically they are just liberals who happen to be pro gun, and know basic elementary school math.. I agree with Liberals on certain issues where they stand for liberty and freedom, typically issues where Republicans advocate statism. Gay marriage and legalizing drugs are among them. Open borders and abortion on demand are not. I don't want to gut our military but I also don't want to waste it bombing then rebuilding middle east countries to no real effect. You could have just posted that. |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 9:57:30 PM EDT
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same! Only a RINO would post this. And another lib outs himself. Keep defending the dems. |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 9:59:14 PM EDT
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Creating additional parties will only force us to become like Europe where coalitions have to be formed in order to accomplish anything. You will not get more conservatism by adding a third party. You will not clearly eliminate the Republican party by forming a new one. Face it, this nation is filled with idiots and you can form all the parties you want it's not going to make you the majority. When Governor Christie is the "hottest politician" in national polls and Hillary Clinton is second you've got a fundamental problem that an additional party isn't going to fix. Create a third party and you'll just strip out the religious/social conservatives and hawks from the party as you go form some libertarian party that will just be painted like the Republicans as unkind and uncaring. You'll also end up with a party winning by only getting a little over 1/3 or less of the vote. No fucking thanks! |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 10:03:14 PM EDT
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I'm a Patrick Henry Conservative. You just let everyone know that you haven't read the whole book because an IQ three (3) points above plant life prevents you.
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same! Only the velocity is different, the direction is the same. BTW, the Patrick Henry Solution FTMFW. Only democrats want to give our rights to a foreign entity. Nice try skippy. Keep stumping for the dems mobies. I'm a Patrick Henry Conservative. You just let everyone know that you haven't read the whole book because an IQ three (3) points above plant life prevents you.
You can call yourself any fancy name you like, but you're still a lib. BTW, Patrick Henry would not agree with your views. |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 10:07:00 PM EDT
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Casey (D-PA), No surprise there. He is a big yes man to zero.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 10:09:10 PM EDT
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The Democrat Party has no place in a free America. Fuck every Democrat. And their enablers in spades and then some! |
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Posted: 8/6/2013 10:11:40 PM EDT
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Bennett and Udal are both shitstains
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Posted: 8/13/2013 12:25:04 PM EDT
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So is this related to the thread or something new?
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Posted: 8/13/2013 1:24:46 PM EDT
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So is this related to the thread or something new? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=54887 No, this thread is about something real, not an elaborate hoax. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 1:30:36 PM EDT
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Over the weekend, we came four votes away from the US Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations. In a 53-46 vote, the senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty. The Statement of Purpose from the Bill reads: "To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty." The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo. Astonishingly, 46 out of our 100 United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what does this treaty entail? Over the weekend, we came four votes away from the US Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations. In a 53-46 vote, the senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty. The Statement of Purpose from the Bill reads: "To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty." The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo. Astonishingly, 46 out of our 100 United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power. Quoted:
The vote was for an amendment to the budget back in March. http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/290001-senate-votes-to-stop-us-from-joining-un-arms-treaty The last part of the Snopes article talks about the "non-binding" test amendment to gauge opposition... http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 1:31:03 PM EDT
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Could you point out those specific sections in the treaty to me? 
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... Not too concerned about this specific treaty, actually. From what I understand, it has no real impact on us as citizens. It's an arms trafficking treaty, dealing mostly with larger-scale things like tanks and missiles. Except as written it would also ban all guns, parts, and ammo as well, basically we would be stuck with domestic made stuff only. No more Glock, Sig, Springfield Armory, Taurus, HK, etc., and no more C&R, parts, kits, surplus ammo, Wolf, S&B, PRVI, Lapua, etc. Say hello to 20 round boxes at $2.00-$3.00 per round minimum domestic ammo. The only stuff that MIGHT get through would be the most politically correct euro-trash aproved garbage imaginable. Think single shot .22 short rifles with no extractors, manual cocking, 48 inch barrels, and fixed sites. Could you point out those specific sections in the treaty to me?
I ask because I've actually read it, and I don't remember seeing anything in the treaty that would restrict the current importation of firearms. lol I am incredibly unsurprised that nobody responded to my question about what the treaty ACTUALLY SAYS |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 1:36:49 PM EDT
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No, this thread is about something real, not an elaborate hoax. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is this related to the thread or something new? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=54887 No, this thread is about something real, not an elaborate hoax. That's what I thought. I received it in an email (gee imagine that) and thought I'd bring it to the hive mind before anything else. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 1:46:36 PM EDT
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Does the UN treaty trump the constitution? Not legally. There is precedent already in the Supreme Court. I forget the name of the case right now though. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 1:56:06 PM EDT
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Does the UN treaty trump the constitution? NO the Constitution is the supreme law of the land |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 1:59:25 PM EDT
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Any excuse for them, eh? No, you're not a dem supporter, oh no! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same! They are the same, shit like this keeps people like you feeling like you have a say in things. Is it working? Any excuse for them, eh? No, you're not a dem supporter, oh no! Not a dem supporter at all, don't like either side one bit. Every member of both sides needs to go and the sooner the better. Just like the ACA, why would they vote for it when they did not need to? They keep saying they will stop it or cut the money for it and all that crap when they can't. They don't have the numbers. All this repeal shit does is make people like you think they are on your side. They will keep voting to get rid of it until they actually can and then see how they vote. Me a dim supporter, that is funny. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 2:01:46 PM EDT
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We need to take out the garbage in Virginia DC. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 2:10:23 PM EDT
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I'll bet that treaty is working out real swell in Africa or the ME.
Ban pangas and IEDs. It's for the children. While those morons are at it they can ban disease too. Frankly, I don't care what those treasonous vipers in DC or the UN do anymore. I say let the chips fall where they may and let's get on with it. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 2:11:41 PM EDT
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I'm surprised that douche bag Tester didn't vote for it
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Posted: 8/13/2013 2:29:25 PM EDT
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Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N. Durbin (D-IL) Shocked I tell you, shocked. i think there is some one running aginst him this time around dont know if it will work but one can hope |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 2:30:59 PM EDT
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That's what I thought. I received it in an email (gee imagine that) and thought I'd bring it to the hive mind before anything else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is this related to the thread or something new? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=54887 No, this thread is about something real, not an elaborate hoax. That's what I thought. I received it in an email (gee imagine that) and thought I'd bring it to the hive mind before anything else. Looks like someone spent a lot of work on it. Something tells me many of the people who obsessed over "layers" on Obama's Birth Certificate scan won't hesitate for a second to declare it legit, though. If we had an arfcommer with access to the internal UN delegation document library, they could check by number. I'm not sure such a person would come out here in public, though. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 2:34:02 PM EDT
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http://www.un.org/disarmament/ATT/docs/ATT_text_(As_adopted_by_the_GA)-E.pdf The treaty leaves every State Party free to define the Small Arms it applies to as it sees fit, and control them as it sees fit. The only people who can decide our current rules for serial numbers, 4473s, export limitations, etc. are not adequate, is our own legislature. The only issue I see that might effect US gunowners is with imports, as a State Party may decide the US system does not establish adequate ned use assurance, and illicit re-export may occur. That's a bit of a stretch, as the US has plenty of laws preventing this. The whole idea that sovereignty is given to a foreign power is patently absurd. Should the Conference of States Parties this establishes push policies the US Congress disagrees with, and for some reason the US delegation at the time joins consensus on, as such things have to by unanimous), the US or any other State Party can always withdraw. Oh, and what vote was this? The one from months ago? You are not trying to inject logic and reason into a GD thread (involving the UN) are you ? You sir, are a brave man, I salute you. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 2:34:44 PM EDT
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same! This is one instance with no Republican support, bfd! If you buy into the false dichotomy you are a moron. Dying by firing squad or a thousand cuts is still dying. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 2:36:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brown. What a piece of shit. No surprise though... True story. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 3:06:58 PM EDT
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Not a dem supporter at all, don't like either side one bit. Every member of both sides needs to go and the sooner the better. Just like the ACA, why would they vote for it when they did not need to? They keep saying they will stop it or cut the money for it and all that crap when they can't. They don't have the numbers. All this repeal shit does is make people like you think they are on your side. They will keep voting to get rid of it until they actually can and then see how they vote. Me a dim supporter, that is funny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same! They are the same, shit like this keeps people like you feeling like you have a say in things. Is it working? Any excuse for them, eh? No, you're not a dem supporter, oh no! Not a dem supporter at all, don't like either side one bit. Every member of both sides needs to go and the sooner the better. Just like the ACA, why would they vote for it when they did not need to? They keep saying they will stop it or cut the money for it and all that crap when they can't. They don't have the numbers. All this repeal shit does is make people like you think they are on your side. They will keep voting to get rid of it until they actually can and then see how they vote. Me a dim supporter, that is funny. Including the ones who have fought hard for our gun rights? Every member? Paul, Amash, Lee, Gowdy, Cruz?
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Posted: 8/13/2013 6:12:48 PM EDT
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Including the ones who have fought hard for our gun rights? Every member? Paul, Amash, Lee, Gowdy, Cruz? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not a single Republican. But arfcom libs say the two parties are the same! They are the same, shit like this keeps people like you feeling like you have a say in things. Is it working? Any excuse for them, eh? No, you're not a dem supporter, oh no! Not a dem supporter at all, don't like either side one bit. Every member of both sides needs to go and the sooner the better. Just like the ACA, why would they vote for it when they did not need to? They keep saying they will stop it or cut the money for it and all that crap when they can't. They don't have the numbers. All this repeal shit does is make people like you think they are on your side. They will keep voting to get rid of it until they actually can and then see how they vote. Me a dim supporter, that is funny. Including the ones who have fought hard for our gun rights? Every member? Paul, Amash, Lee, Gowdy, Cruz? Yes, every single one of them needs to go. Until they are ALL replaced we will get nothing but the same BS we have been getting. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 6:22:10 PM EDT
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Including the ones who have fought hard for our gun rights? Every member? Paul, Amash, Lee, Gowdy, Cruz? Yep. |
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Posted: 8/13/2013 7:16:27 PM EDT
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Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N. Baldwin (D-WI) Baucus (D-MT) Bennett (D-CO) Blumenthal (D-CT) Boxer (D-CA) Brown (D-OH) Cantwell (D-WA) Cardin (D-MD) Carper (D-DE) Casey (D-PA) Coons (D-DE) Cowan (D-MA) Durbin (D-IL) Feinstein (D-CA) Franken (D-MN) Gillibrand (D-NY) Harkin (D-IA) Hirono (D-HI) Johnson (D-SD) Kaine (D-VA) King (I-ME) Klobuchar (D-MN) Landrieu (D-LA) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) McCaskill (D-MO) Menendez (D-NJ) Merkley (D-OR) Mikulski (D-MD) Murphy (D-CT) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sanders (I-VT) Schatz (D-HI) Schumer (D-NY) Shaheen (D-NH) Stabenow (D-MI) Udall (D-CO) Udall (D-NM) Warner (D-VA) Warren (D-MA) Whitehouse (D-RI) Wyden (D-OR Fuck you Harry Reid!!! I hope the NRA graded this vote. |
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Posted: 8/14/2013 10:04:32 PM EDT
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Yes, every single one of them needs to go. Until they are ALL replaced we will get nothing but the same BS we have been getting. LOL! You're unhinged. |
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Posted: 8/15/2013 10:25:45 AM EDT
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Yes, every single one of them needs to go. Until they are ALL replaced we will get nothing but the same BS we have been getting. LOL! You're unhinged. Maybe. Let me ask you a question. Who can we elect that is going to change anything, or more importantly, actually be able to change anything? |
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Posted: 8/15/2013 6:54:15 PM EDT
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Does the UN treaty trump the constitution? NO the Constitution is the supreme law of the land Until someone in the current administration disagrees with you. Oh, wait....... |
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Posted: 8/15/2013 7:02:38 PM EDT
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Looks like a (D)ickfest to me.
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Posted: 8/15/2013 7:07:23 PM EDT
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In other words all the Dems, what a shocker! My state needs get rid of ours! Yes we do need to get rid of them. |
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