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Posted: 8/6/2013 2:17:47 AM EST
Just now on ABC radio, KT McFarland just said Al-Wahiri, AQ's evil "genius" bombmaker had developed "clothing bombs, where they're dipped in an explosive, and dried and totally undetectable". This as got to be wrong. Seriously? sounds like bullshit to me.

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Posted: 8/6/2013 2:20:39 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By LowBeta:
Just now on ABC radio, KT McFarland just said Al-Wahiri, AQ's evil "genius" bombmaker had developed "clothing bombs, where they're dipped in an explosive, and dried and totally undetectable". This as got to be wrong. Seriously? sounds like bullshit to me.

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Posted: 8/6/2013 2:25:05 AM EST
Sounds like an episode of Get Smart.

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Posted: 8/6/2013 2:38:14 AM EST
All this new technology that has never been used at El Al.

Israel in the middle of it all and not a peep.

Somehow we are the benefactors of the new and improved Al Qaeda and they are really smart now.

Get Smart technology and all that.................



Yet somhow among all the metric tons of coke and weed that cross our borders and not one ground to air missle.

But we need clothing bombs..............just be scared, real scared...........
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Posted: 8/6/2013 2:41:24 AM EST
Probably much more detectable because it's literally soaked with explosive residue that sniffers can pick up, and also probably less effective because it's unconfined and spread out, but less likely to be found by a frisk.

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Posted: 8/6/2013 2:43:01 AM EST
The obvious consequence of this is we will all have to fly naked.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 2:53:01 AM EST
I doubt this would be lethal unless the guy is dress like this:

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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:04:29 AM EST
Sounds like it would be wonderfully effective at blowing the first layer of flesh off alqueda operatives.

Seeing them in horrible pain but not dead and not done what they tried to do would be awesome Liveleak video.

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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:08:30 AM EST
Gun cotton?

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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:11:31 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MagKnightX:
Probably much more detectable because it's literally soaked with explosive residue that sniffers can pick up, and also probably less effective because it's unconfined and spread out, but less likely to be found by a frisk.

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Fox reported this morning that it is not currently detectable.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:13:15 AM EST
I can picture achmed standing there, naked and blackened like a cartoon character, after the bomb fizzles and burns his clothing off.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:14:15 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Originally Posted By MagKnightX:
Probably much more detectable because it's literally soaked with explosive residue that sniffers can pick up, and also probably less effective because it's unconfined and spread out, but less likely to be found by a frisk.

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Fox reported this morning that it is not currently detectable.


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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:14:38 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
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Probably much more detectable because it's literally soaked with explosive residue that sniffers can pick up, and also probably less effective because it's unconfined and spread out, but less likely to be found by a frisk.

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Fox reported this morning that it is not currently detectable.


Define detectable. By your local cop? Probably not. TSA? Probably--if they use the right equipment and not just a pat.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:21:16 AM EST
Well once clothing is banned we will get to enjoy the sights of hotties...

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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:22:08 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Strats:
Sounds like an episode of Get Smart.

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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:24:50 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By SpudCrushr:
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Originally Posted By MagKnightX:
Probably much more detectable because it's literally soaked with explosive residue that sniffers can pick up, and also probably less effective because it's unconfined and spread out, but less likely to be found by a frisk.

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Fox reported this morning that it is not currently detectable.


Define detectable. By your local cop? Probably not. TSA? Probably--if they use the right equipment and not just a pat.


I have no idea, but they mentioned airports not being g able to detect it.

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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:25:52 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Alasbabalon:
All this new technology that has never been used at El Al.

Israel in the middle of it all and not a peep.

Somehow we are the benefactors of the new and improved Al Qaeda and they are really smart now.

Get Smart technology and all that.................



Yet somhow among all the metric tons of coke and weed that cross our borders and not one ground to air missle.

But we need clothing bombs..............just be scared, real scared...........


Funny thing about that too...anyone who's ever been through the El Al screening process knows that "profiling" is VERY effective. I'd even wager more effective than the current screening methodology (theater.) If we really wanted to be safe we should do this, not subject ourselves to thugs, thieves, and morons (TSA) who at best are only a partially effective deterrent.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 3:26:17 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By SpudCrushr:
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Originally Posted By MagKnightX:
Probably much more detectable because it's literally soaked with explosive residue that sniffers can pick up, and also probably less effective because it's unconfined and spread out, but less likely to be found by a frisk.

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Fox reported this morning that it is not currently detectable.


Define detectable. By your local cop? Probably not. TSA? Probably--if they use the right equipment and not just a pat.


You know....on an evolutionary scale you got those reversed. TSA is to police as Cro magnon is to Alan Sheppard.


Given the "right equipment" a chimpanzee could do any job better than TSA.
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Pigs have more sensitive noses than even the TSA's best equipment, right
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Posted: 8/6/2013 5:26:52 AM EST
Undetectabe?

I find that hard to believe.

What type of explosive is this that does not weigh much, soaks into material and is not detected as explosive material.

Must be magic.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 5:40:51 AM EST
I wonder about detonation.

Does it need a blasting cap, a flame or a good smack? Either way, I bet the explosive residue sniffer/puffer thing could catch it.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 5:42:05 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Bones45:
I can picture achmed standing there, naked and blackened like a cartoon character, after the bomb fizzles and burns his clothing off.


This made me laugh so hard this morning. Thank you.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 5:51:02 AM EST
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
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Probably much more detectable because it's literally soaked with explosive residue that sniffers can pick up, and also probably less effective because it's unconfined and spread out, but less likely to be found by a frisk.

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Fox reported this morning that it is not currently detectable.


News programs of all flavors are not well regarded for getting technical details right.

I've never heard of an undetectable explosive. Now, it's possible AQ has better and brighter chemists working on things than, say, the entire US but I doubt it.

But then, detectable and reasonably detectable in normal situations are separate. Most passengers don't get the full residue screening AFAIK, and good luck on the street. But if you swab the guy wearing the explosive shirt, you're going to get a huge hit on the machine.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 5:55:16 AM EST
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WooHoo!

Naked flying ...

Naked public transportation ...

Naked people at the .gov offices ...

Nekked people everywhere!

Meh, probably just make us all disrobe and pass out the orange jumpsuits.
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When they can have a bomb hidden up their ass, or swallow explosives like a drug mule swallows condom filled drugs.

All of these could be remotely activated by a cell phone and none can be detected by the current security devices.

It's about time we start to profile.
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Oh FFS. They'll just start putting them in cement trucks and breast implants.
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Just think of how many middle eastern engineers the US is turning out and sending back home.
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Sounds like we're all going to be flying nekid from now on.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Strats:
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Posted: 8/6/2013 6:54:33 AM EST
This reminds me of the exploding pants they made on Mythbusters.

Great, now we all have to fly naked.
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If it's anything like the old way of making explosive paper, it's P.E.T.N. based and needs a blasting cap or detonator to initiate. It also wouldn't likely be worn, but would need to be folded or rolled. It would be detectable by a sniffer or dogs but would not be visually detectable.

What I describe above has been used to make explosive newspapers and cardboard that looks like any other but contains a microcrystalline high explosive.

I'm just speculating. I have no inside information, but I bet it's nothing new other than how they might use it.
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Its been done with drugs before so I'm kinda surprised it took this long for explosives!
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By MagKnightX:
Probably much more detectable because it's literally soaked with explosive residue that sniffers can pick up, and also probably less effective because it's unconfined and spread out, but less likely to be found by a frisk.

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This. I don't believe these clothes would "explode" at all. They would likely just burn the wearer. This has been used for drug smuggling though, and I would imagine it could be used to smuggle explosive materials.
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Isn't all checked baggage checked for explosives?
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I'm guessing the first time a pickpocket bumps into them somewhere, BOOM...

Sounds like a win-win to me.
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That is while you profile passenger behavior, a guy buying a one way ticket with no luggage SHOULD raise a red flag.
TSA is too busy groping passengers to do real screening.
Look at how the Israelis do it with rings of defense, here, if a suicide bomber got caught he would just hake out the terminal instead of the plane.
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Posted: 8/6/2013 9:51:20 AM EST
I have said before that eventually the only way you will get on a plane is naked, in handcuffs.

It would be basic chemistry to nitrate a cotton Tee shirt. Then you have guncotton. And it would be child's play to detect it as well

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Strats:
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