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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:02:16 PM EDT
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a surge in demand for better-paying commercial pilots 
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:03:07 PM EDT
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And yet they slash the fucking ROTC budget.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:05:10 PM EDT
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My dad's friend said he got reassigned to drones after going for B1s.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:07:44 PM EDT
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I think cutting B schools for F15s and F16s, as well as not putting as many guys in fighter to begin with is biting them in the ass. USAF pilots get a 10 year commitment. After putting up with 10-12 years of bullshit they want out.
It aint all roses and sunshine. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:08:02 PM EDT
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I volunteer.
I'd do it right now. Without hesitation, even if it was a pay cut for me. I don't much care what I'd fly. Any fixed wing aircraft in the inventory, and I wouldn't even mind a chopper. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:13:20 PM EDT
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I volunteer. I'd do it right now. Without hesitation, even if it was a pay cut for me. I don't much care what I'd fly. Any fixed wing aircraft in the inventory, and I wouldn't even mind a chopper. What he said. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:13:30 PM EDT
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a surge in demand for better-paying commercial pilots Is this just a rewritten article from 1986? |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My dad's friend said he got reassigned to drones after going for B1s. Same thing happened to my brother-in-law; went from flying a B-52 to a Predator. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:24:44 PM EDT
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a surge in demand for better-paying commercial pilots I wouldn't necessarily say better paying out the gate, but if you've got your 20, or a burned out 12 year Major who isn't interested in staying around, you're absolutely better off going to the airlines, especially if you can get hired now. Over the next 12 years United and Delta will retire half their pilots, get in at the beginning of this next wave and you're GTG. You'd take a hit for a few years, but it will even out after about 5 yrs or so. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:26:44 PM EDT
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Meh, search me. I was willing to do my part, but the training was 3/4-ass at best, so they're one short.
I did LOL at the implication that people were leaving the USAF for sweet gigs as commercial pilots. In what universe!??? |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:26:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I volunteer. I'd do it right now. Without hesitation, even if it was a pay cut for me. I don't much care what I'd fly. Any fixed wing aircraft in the inventory, and I wouldn't even mind a chopper. So go join the USAF?
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:28:14 PM EDT
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Not to hijack the thread, but is Naval Aviation over or undermanned?
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:29:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to hijack the thread, but is Naval Aviation over or undermanned? Your question combined with your avatar made me laugh. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:31:29 PM EDT
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I don't believe it.
I have applied twice (with good scores and education) and haven't gotten in to OTS. I am giving it one more try, assuming my physical goes well wednesday. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:33:06 PM EDT
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I don't believe it. I have applied twice (with good scores and education) and haven't gotten in to OTS. I am giving it one more try, assuming my physical goes well wednesday. Go guard dude. Apply everywhere. Fly just as much, probably more, and not deal with the active duty BS. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:33:36 PM EDT
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I think cutting B schools for F15s and F16s, as well as not putting as many guys in fighter to begin with is biting them in the ass. USAF pilots get a 10 year commitment. After putting up with 10-12 years of bullshit they want out. It aint all roses hot chicks and sunshine air conditioning. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:35:47 PM EDT
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eh, build more drones
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:36:06 PM EDT
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I think cutting B schools for F15s and F16s, as well as not putting as many guys in fighter to begin with is biting them in the ass. USAF pilots get a 10 year commitment. After putting up with 10-12 years of bullshit they want out. It aint all roses and sunshine. The problem is, once you're in for a while, the appeal of flying fighters fades pretty quickly. No way I'm giving up my shitter and microwave! Besides, you also quickly learn that fighter guys are all fags anyway. 
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:36:56 PM EDT
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a surge in demand for better-paying commercial pilots Yea, whoever wrote that is either a liar or an idiot. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:40:00 PM EDT
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The problem is, once you're in for a while, the appeal of flying fighters fades pretty quickly. No way I'm giving up my shitter and microwave! Besides, you also quickly learn that fighter guys are all fags anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think cutting B schools for F15s and F16s, as well as not putting as many guys in fighter to begin with is biting them in the ass. USAF pilots get a 10 year commitment. After putting up with 10-12 years of bullshit they want out. It aint all roses and sunshine. The problem is, once you're in for a while, the appeal of flying fighters fades pretty quickly. No way I'm giving up my shitter and microwave! Besides, you also quickly learn that fighter guys are all fags anyway. Haha. My dad is a retired fighter pilot. But I am a helicopter pilot so Im already weird.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:40:20 PM EDT
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My brother-in-law was a viper pilot. He was pulled out of the cockpit to fly drones. He's getting out as soon as he can.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:40:49 PM EDT
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I think cutting B schools for F15s and F16s, as well as not putting as many guys in fighter to begin with is biting them in the ass. USAF pilots get a 10 year commitment. After putting up with 10-12 years of bullshit they want out. It aint all roses and sunshine. Compared to enlisted its a cake walk.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:41:49 PM EDT
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Not to hijack the thread, but is Naval Aviation over or undermanned? Naval aviation is undermanned. ETA. Oh you meant body count, sorry I don't know. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:44:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Naval aviation is undermanned. ETA. Oh you meant body count, sorry I don't know. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not to hijack the thread, but is Naval Aviation over or undermanned? Naval aviation is undermanned. ETA. Oh you meant body count, sorry I don't know.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:45:22 PM EDT
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"I can fly, I'm pilot"
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I volunteer. I'd do it right now. Without hesitation, even if it was a pay cut for me. I don't much care what I'd fly. Any fixed wing aircraft in the inventory, and I wouldn't even mind a chopper. Add me to the list. Give me 6 weeks and I'll be keeping up with the 25 year olds.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:46:29 PM EDT
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I volunteer! let's revive my childhood dream!  |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:46:58 PM EDT
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It takes a special kind of stupid to be an USAF brass and face a pilot shortage
Lack of leadership Lack of wisdom Lack of perspective Lack of knowledge concerning the psychology of people. Who WANTS to fly drones? Use them. Don't force a C-17 pilot into that seat. Definitely a special kind of stupid. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:47:45 PM EDT
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As memory serves, the first or second year that the AF brought Predators online, they literally shanghai'd an entire F-16 pilot class and told them their now flying UAVs, and no option to get reassigned.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 4:50:29 PM EDT
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Yea, whoever wrote that is either a liar or an idiot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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a surge in demand for better-paying commercial pilots Yea, whoever wrote that is either a liar or an idiot. Well, it is an LA Times article, so.... 
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Posted: 7/22/2013 5:13:55 PM EDT
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Not to hijack the thread, but is Naval Aviation over or undermanned? I don't know, but the Navy guys' egos are writing checks their bodies can't cash... and rubber dogshit...planeloads of rubber dogshit, from Hawng Kawng. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:37:08 PM EDT
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a surge in demand for better-paying commercial pilots BULLSHIT |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:56:39 PM EDT
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Compared to enlisted its a cake walk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think cutting B schools for F15s and F16s, as well as not putting as many guys in fighter to begin with is biting them in the ass. USAF pilots get a 10 year commitment. After putting up with 10-12 years of bullshit they want out. It aint all roses and sunshine. Compared to enlisted its a cake walk. This! I was enlisted (US Navy), and it wasn't all that bad. However, the officers did have a better quality of life. Actually, pretty much everything else was better. I'd fly a washing machine off a carrier if I could. I don't have any pride in what military A/C I would fly. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 6:58:53 PM EDT
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I wanted to be one, but back problems and being 6'3" would have precluded me
I DID win Top Gun at the Aviation Challenge in Alabama in the simulators out of ~60 other highschoolers
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:01:05 PM EDT
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I don't believe it.
I have applied twice for OTS with no luck. I'm trying again, pending an acceptable physical wednesday. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:03:47 PM EDT
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Know a couple ANG Hawg drivers getting reassigned to UAVs.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:04:33 PM EDT
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So the USAF and Navy are ahead of schedule on their drone programs? Do you really need a pilot to fly a drone, IIRC they can take off and land themselves.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:04:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So go join the USAF? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I volunteer. I'd do it right now. Without hesitation, even if it was a pay cut for me. I don't much care what I'd fly. Any fixed wing aircraft in the inventory, and I wouldn't even mind a chopper. So go join the USAF? Not possible at my age. Not unless they changed many rules. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:05:28 PM EDT
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Whats next, a shortage of Infantry in the Army? Holy Shit balls.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:07:55 PM EDT
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So the USAF and Navy are ahead of schedule on their drone programs? Do you really need a pilot to fly a drone, IIRC they can take off and land themselves. Still need someone to talk to the JTAC or FSO for a type 1 or type 2 kinetic strick |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:08:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Compared to enlisted its a cake walk. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think cutting B schools for F15s and F16s, as well as not putting as many guys in fighter to begin with is biting them in the ass. USAF pilots get a 10 year commitment. After putting up with 10-12 years of bullshit they want out. It aint all roses and sunshine. Compared to enlisted its a cake walk. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:08:44 PM EDT
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Same thing happened to my brother-in-law; went from flying a B-52 to a Predator. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My dad's friend said he got reassigned to drones after going for B1s. Same thing happened to my brother-in-law; went from flying a B-52 to a Predator. I would think shit like that would leave you with little to no commercial pilot applications post retirement... |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:09:13 PM EDT
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Why do they need pilots to fly drones? I saw these guys sitting at Nellis and they were not even officers flying them.
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:09:20 PM EDT
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USAF facing severe pilot shortage Gee whiz, just like when clinton was in office ? Who would have thunk it ? 
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:12:57 PM EDT
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Still need someone to talk to the JTAC or FSO for a type 1 or type 2 kinetic strick Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the USAF and Navy are ahead of schedule on their drone programs? Do you really need a pilot to fly a drone, IIRC they can take off and land themselves. Still need someone to talk to the JTAC or FSO for a type 1 or type 2 kinetic strick Unfamiliar with the shorthand specifics but I am guessing you are saying you need a human to verify ordinance drop and placement? Why does that have to be A pilot? |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:13:37 PM EDT
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I would think shit like that would leave you with little to no commercial pilot applications post retirement... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My dad's friend said he got reassigned to drones after going for B1s. Same thing happened to my brother-in-law; went from flying a B-52 to a Predator. I would think shit like that would leave you with little to no commercial pilot applications post retirement... Flying predators or the reapers are more involved in the GWOT. The ISR suite is complex. Just can't throw some old bomber guy in there . |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:14:24 PM EDT
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Unfamiliar with the shorthand specifics but I am guessing you are saying you need a human to verify ordinance drop and placement? Why does that have to be A pilot? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So the USAF and Navy are ahead of schedule on their drone programs? Do you really need a pilot to fly a drone, IIRC they can take off and land themselves. Still need someone to talk to the JTAC or FSO for a type 1 or type 2 kinetic strick Unfamiliar with the shorthand specifics but I am guessing you are saying you need a human to verify ordinance drop and placement? Why does that have to be A pilot? 9 lines. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:14:27 PM EDT
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"I can fly, I'm pilot" LMMFAO |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:15:27 PM EDT
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Dammit! Where's Sylvan?
This is a CAS thread. If not, it should will be. |
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Posted: 7/22/2013 7:17:09 PM EDT
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The AF's decision to only have actual pilots fly drones is coming back to bite them in the ass.
My belief is the AF made the decision for a couple reasons. One would be the fact that the larger, more complex drones, are more difficult to fly and more expensive when lost. From that point of view having someone with a pilot's skill flying it does make some sense. The other reason I think they went with pilots though is more because they don't want non-pilots, or even non-officers, flying ANYTHING in the Air Force. It's partially a prestige thing and partially a realization that if they let enlisted or other non-pilots fly drones their worried about what will happen as the number of drones increases and especially when the proportion of drones to manned aircraft increases. So, in a backhanded way, it's a "pilot protection program" to keep AF pilots from being marginalized. Personally, I think its a bad decision and I'm not surprised it's causing problems with pilot retention. |
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