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Posted: 7/4/2013 3:25:29 PM EST
I am heartily sick of the practice of using plural pronouns as though they were singular, a measure undertaken in service to plainly stupid concern over gender exclusion. Examples of the usage: "If a student raises their hand, call on them by name." "On accessing a secure area, an employee must enter their six-digit Employee ID Number into the keypad." "If a customer has a complaint, ask them if they would like to see a manager."

A pox on the jackasses who initiated and the sheep who perpetuate this horse shit.
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 3:27:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/4/2013 3:28:13 PM EST by Aimless]
Prosecutor Kristyna S. Mills said her office prosecutes these types of cases “all the time”speaking of the prosecution of Sgt. Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, for possessing AR15 magazines
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 3:28:44 PM EST
Always wondered that.

Looks like "they" or "he or she" is correct.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/he-or-she-versus-they
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 3:32:22 PM EST
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I work in an industry where written procedures are the coin of the realm.

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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 3:36:26 PM EST
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8:30 on 4th of July before a long weekend and this is consuming your thoughts? Go pack you range bag or put your fishing rod in the car for tomorrow.

edit not that you are wrong. You know they call actresses "actors" now? Reeeedickyouless


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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 3:53:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/4/2013 3:59:23 PM EST by xanadu]
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
I am heartily sick of the practice of using plural pronouns as though they were singular, a measure undertaken in service to plainly stupid concern over gender exclusion. Examples of the usage: "If a student raises their hand, call on them by name." "On accessing a secure area, an employee must enter their six-digit Employee ID Number into the keypad." "If a customer has a complaint, ask them if they would like to see a manager."

A pox on the jackasses who initiated and the sheep who perpetuate this horse shit.



Perhaps you might explain this?

a measure undertaken in service to plainly stupid concern over gender exclusion

BTW, I write a lot; user documentation, tech manuals, as well as a huge amount of international correspondence. I take advantage of anything I can to not have to battle the him/her, he/she conundrum.
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 4:09:47 PM EST
When (grammatical) gender is indeterminate, the masculine pronoun is used, but this wads up the panties of the feminazis, so we don't dare do that.

Better to speak incorrectly than to offend the ignorant. (example, niggardly)

I think this goes all the way back to Anglo-Saxon.
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 4:12:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Him:
When (grammatical) gender is indeterminate, the masculine pronoun is used, but this wads up the panties of the feminazis, so we don't dare do that.

Better to speak incorrectly than to offend the ignorant. (example, niggardly)

I think this goes all the way back to Anglo-Saxon.


Well, have site staff change your username to "Them" to avoid offending delicate sensitivities.
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 4:24:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By xanadu:
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
I am heartily sick of the practice of using plural pronouns as though they were singular, a measure undertaken in service to plainly stupid concern over gender exclusion. Examples of the usage: "If a student raises their hand, call on them by name." "On accessing a secure area, an employee must enter their six-digit Employee ID Number into the keypad." "If a customer has a complaint, ask them if they would like to see a manager."

A pox on the jackasses who initiated and the sheep who perpetuate this horse shit.



Perhaps you might explain this?

a measure [an action] undertaken [initiated or pursued] in service to [in furtherance or support of] plainly stupid [manifestly ill-informed, ill-considered, or ill-advised; obviously wrong] concern over [worry about; interest in] gender [in this sense, sex] exclusion [negative discrimination; pretermission]

BTW, I write a lot; user documentation, tech manuals, as well as a huge amount of international correspondence. I take advantage of anything I can to not have to battle the him/her, he/she conundrum.


There's no conundrum (apart from one I hope I have solved for you). Until the very recent nonsense of using plural pronouns as universals, masculine pronouns were used throughout the history of the language for that purpose. Pronoun-referent agreement is now to be sacrificed to assuage a purely imaginary injury. While there is at root no purely rational basis for any convention of language, neither is there any rational basis for overturning centuries or millennia of settled usage in favor of the social militancy of the day.
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 4:26:54 PM EST
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When (grammatical) gender is indeterminate, the masculine pronoun is used, but this wads up the panties of the feminazis, so we don't dare do that.

Better to speak incorrectly than to offend the ignorant. (example, niggardly)

I think this goes all the way back to Anglo-Saxon.


Well, have site staff change your username to "Them" to avoid offending delicate sensitivities.


I never thought of that.

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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 4:40:45 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 4:42:52 PM EST
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8:30 on 4th of July before a long weekend and this is consuming your thoughts? Go pack you range bag or put your fishing rod in the car for tomorrow.

edit not that you are wrong. You know they call actresses "actors" now? Reeeedickyouless


Long weekend?

I have to work tomorrow.


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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 4:46:31 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 4:48:35 PM EST
Prosecutor Kristyna S. Mills said her office prosecutes these types of cases “all the time”speaking of the prosecution of Sgt. Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, for possessing AR15 magazines
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 5:00:00 PM EST
Here's what a Linguists Prof has to say:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTYZm0gyKqI

All of her "The Word on Language and Grammar" clips are interesting and informative. (She was my son's Prof for a couple classes at Michigan).
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 5:13:37 PM EST
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Grammar isn't for everyone.


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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 5:20:20 PM EST
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I am healtiry sick of the plactice of using prular plonouns as though they wele singural, a measule undeltaken in selvice to prainry stupid conceln ovel gendel excrusion. Exampres of the usage: "If a student laises theil hand, carr on them by name." "On accessing a secule alea, an emproyee must entel theil six-digit Emproyee ID Numbel into the keypad." "If a customel has a compraint, ask them if they wourd rike to see a managel."

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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 5:51:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
I am heartily sick of the practice of using plural pronouns as though they were singular, a measure undertaken in service to plainly stupid concern over gender exclusion. Examples of the usage: "If a student raises their hand, call on them by name." "On accessing a secure area, an employee must enter their six-digit Employee ID Number into the keypad." "If a customer has a complaint, ask them if they would like to see a manager."

A pox on the jackasses who initiated and the sheep who perpetuate this horse shit.

Concur.

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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 5:53:16 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 5:57:14 PM EST
I still say Stewardess is gender neutral enough.
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 6:04:04 PM EST
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I still say Stewardess is gender neutral enough.


Sometimes the spelling needs tweaking,,,stewardeth
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 6:06:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By VarmintKilla:
Aint nobody got time fo them!

Dem.

It's dem, not them.
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 6:32:02 PM EST
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Always wondered that.

Looks like "they" or "he or she" is correct.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/he-or-she-versus-they


We only ever used he or she in those cases. That is what I was taught.
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Link Posted: 7/4/2013 6:33:37 PM EST
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8:30 on 4th of July before a long weekend and this is consuming your thoughts? Go pack you range bag or put your fishing rod in the car for tomorrow.

edit not that you are wrong. You know they call actresses "actors" now? Reeeedickyouless


Long weekend?

I have to work tomorrow.


OP....a man's gotta know his limitations. Go shoot something this weekend.


OP ain't working tomorrow


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