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Yeah, I don't buy it partularly since the author strongly implies the only reason for the described behavior is race. Culture is not color.



There are likely schools this bad, but it is due to the social environment in which the kids were raised, not the color of their skin.

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What we need is for some resourceful white students and/or teachers to set up hidden cameras and catch this so that there is irrefutable documentation.

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I attend a HBCU, historically black college/university, and I can say I have witnessed a lot of what the article is about. You always know when the financial aid checks are cut because everyone has some new rims or new speakers for their car that cost more than the car itself. After 2 weeks, the tome it takes for FA to be dispurced, the parking garages are empty because no one shows up for class unless its test day and they immediately ask about curving before the test even commences. There are some very educated and very motivated students I encounter who are often chastised for "acting white". The ones that do show up periodically are late, headphones on with the noise so high we can hear it and the ringtones are often the most vulgar lyrics that would make a porn script writer blush. The graduation rate is 12% at my school. Why do I go there? Because comparatively speaking I am in the top of the class when if I went to a white school, that's dominated by Indians and Asian Americans, I would look like a dunce

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The author specified and gave numerous examples of those "definite problems" that you find unmentionable, and specifically identified those "certain subsections" that you seem unable to identify.


Why don't YOU provide a detailed enumeration, in your OWN words, of what YOU mean by: "definite problems within certain subsections of the population"... and do so objectively, and WITHOUT cherry-picking examples nor making any broad applications or generalizations either.


 

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I fail to see what you are accusing me of?  Abstracting, as to avoid making problematic statements, perhaps?  I do not have to enumerate my beliefs concerning the black population, since I did not provide an analysis, nor am I qualified to.  What I can speak to is how to engage in social analysis, which the author does a poor job doing.

If the author wanted to make his point, he would have done some polling, or provided some other objective metrics to justify his point, other than his experience.  There is a reason there is a scientific method, even for social science.

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Culture is learned behavior, not genetics.

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My fiancee spent four years teaching in a minority-dominated school district, two of them at the alternative school and two at a mainstream school, in special ed. Her experience was quite similar to those in the article. Now she teaches in a very affluent area (95+% white), while my brother lives a few miles away in the local ghetto (80% black). She keeps telling him to GTFO out of the ghetto, regardless of how cheap the house was, or how much he's spent on fixing it up, before he and his fiancee have children, because she knows how bad the schools are there. He makes extremely good money and could easily afford a nice house in a good neighborhood, but refuses to entertain the idea.

Kharn

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Whatever the problem might be, it's not one I created.



Whatever the solution to the problem might be, it is not in my wallet.

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I attend a HBCU, historically black college/university, and I can say I have witnessed a lot of what the article is about. You always know when the financial aid checks are cut because everyone has some new rims or new speakers for their car that cost more than the car itself. After 2 weeks, the tome it takes for FA to be dispurced, the parking garages are empty because no one shows up for class unless its test day and they immediately ask about curving before the test even commences. There are some very educated and very motivated students I encounter who are often chastised for "acting white". The ones that do show up periodically are late, headphones on with the noise so high we can hear it and the ringtones are often the most vulgar lyrics that would make a porn script writer blush. The graduation rate is 12% at my school. Why do I go there? Because comparatively speaking I am in the top of the class when if I went to a white school, that's dominated by Indians and Asian Americans, I would look like a dunce

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Yeah, I don't buy it partularly since the author strongly implies the only reason for the described behavior is race. Culture is not color.

There are likely schools this bad, but it is due to the social environment in which the kids were raised, not the color of their skin.

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Oh the attempted solution most certainly is and will be in your wallet.  

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Before 1954, Black culture in the US was nothing like this.

Urban Blacks actually had a higher high school graduation rate than Whites, etc.

And this is what the Democratic Party wants today. The Democratic Party plantation.

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We could uplift people of this culture if we wanted to. It involves giving them a purpose other than sponging off the government. Same goes for those of this same type of culture with different skin colors.

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She had an answer to that: "Dey half breed." The class agreed. I let the subject drop.

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Get dat green

Eta

Where is that essay on avoiding large numbers of blacks, avoiding places with black politicians etc?

A Dismal Reality


September 7. 2005

I was traveling in China when pictures of the looters in New Orleans began to appear on CNN. They were black of course. Looting and raping and burning are what blacks do when the lid loosens. Yes, I could phrase this more cautiously: These things are what some blacks, etc. or, more cutely, not all blacks are looters, but all looters….blah blah.

Yet it happens time and again. There was Los Angeles, burned in 1992. There have been Cincinnati, Miami, Seattle, Washington DC, Chicago, Detroit, Crown Heights, Watts, Newark, on and on and on. When the law loses its grip, the looting begins.

We have come to expect it. Members of my tour group in China to whom I spoke assumed that the looters were black before watching. They had seen it before. I knew it before I saw the pictures. The looters are always black except when, occasionally, they are Latino. If they were looting for food it would be understandable. But that isn’t what is happening. Few of us eat television sets. Nike’s running shoes are not particularly digestible.*

With the dismantling in the Fifties of apartheid in the United States, many hoped that blacks would rise, study, progress, and become genuinely as distinct from formally integrated into the country. I hoped it too, though my expectations were low. Southerners said it would never happen, but were dismissed as prejudiced. They were right.

The melding of the races just hasn’t worked and, if examined honestly, shows few signs of working. Fifty years after the Brown decision, blacks remain unassimilated. They appear to be unassimilable. This, after endless programs, after the nation has turned itself on its head trying to encourage, promote, force, or imagine assimilation.

Integration of the schools degraded the schools, but did little for blacks. Operation Head Start didn’t work. Racial quotas in the universities didn’t work, nor did the awarding of unearned degrees or the establishment of departments of Black Studies. Compulsory integration of restaurants didn’t work. Quotas in hiring, enforced by the federal government, didn’t work. Welfare didn’t work. “Hate-crime” laws didn’t work. Nothing has worked.

These attempts have not been without results, but assimilation of blacks into the country has not been one of them. Compelled hiring by race instead of merit has produced a black middle class, but those so hired are regarded as a sort of tax, a cost of doing business. Saying this aloud is a firing offense, so no one says it in the office. They say it later over a beer. This was not the intended outcome. It is what we got.

Neither race shows much inclination to associate with the other. Left to themselves, they quickly segregate, in housing, on campus, in night clubs. Only heavy federal pressure produces an appearance of togetherheid.

As a police reporter frequently in the hearts of the big cities, I saw the failure with a clarity available to few. The black regions are huge, and they are purely black. Their denizens share little with a society of European derivation. In particular, with not enough exceptions, they seem to regard laws as restraints externally imposed instead of internally felt: When the police go away, so do restrictions on behavior. So do televisions. God help you if you are a white woman. If you don’t believe this, check the Uniform Crime Reports of the FBI. They are on the web.

I am not sure with what instrument one measures passivity, but passivity is what I sensed in the moldering dark regions—people just waiting, for what neither I nor they knew, just going from day to day, except for the gangs, who killed people. There was a smell of violence awaiting its chance. If you think I am imagining this, reflect on the looting and burning that erupt when the lid grows loose. Always there is another city with young blacks carrying television sets from stores.

I do not say these things with rejoicing. Morally it is saddening. For blacks, for whites, for the country the best thing would be that blacks genuinely flourish. They do not.

Something seems inherent in the race, or perhaps embedded in the culture, that does not understand success or morals or responsibility as others understand them. Perhaps, as many suggest, a history of being wards of the state, of being given special aid and special privilege, of having nothing expected of them, has inculcated passivity. Perhaps the persistently noted difference in measured IQ is the explanation. Be that as it may, the blacks of the rioting regions seem to labor under a crippling torpor and a dull, paralyzing lack of concern for those things that define European societies. Or, for that matter, Chinese or Japanese societies. Scholarship, reading, study do not seem to appeal. In Washington, I almost never saw blacks in the art galleries, the museums, or the public libraries. The races do not appear to want the same things, do not value the same things.

Writers speaking of the looting in New Orleans regularly say that poverty causes looting, and that as a society we should do something about it. But why are blacks poor, and what could society do that it has not already tried? Blacks are always poor, in Africa, in Haiti and Jamaica, in New Orleans. It is a global pattern. Would that it were not, but it is. No one knows what to do about it.

With the inevitability of gravitation, commentators attribute the incompatibility with what we think of as civilization to oppression or neglect by whites. Oh? In Washington, the mayor is usually black, along with a majority of the city council and school board. The principals are black, as are most of the teachers, almost all of the students, and their parents. The funding per student is high. Yet the schools are horrifically bad.

Washington could have any schools it wanted: It is hard to imagine anyone denying blacks better textbooks or forbidding the assignment of more homework. I conclude that they do have the schools they want. Perhaps they don’t want schools at all.

Yes, there are exceptions, and they too flee the city’s schools. Unfortunately the exceptions are exceptions.

I will receive mail from blacks telling me that what I am saying is wrong. I wish it were. Yet the riots continue decade after decade and the academic necrosis never clears. The unseen downtowns wait, dead in the water, profoundly isolated from America by their size and homogeneity. From time to time they have exploded, and will explode.

Years back Carl Rowan, the black columnist, wrote a book called “The Coming Race War in America.” It couldn’t quite be ignored, but could be ignored mostly, and was. Though he had moved extensively among whites, Rowan had little grasp of how whites think. He believed that they wanted to grind their heels in black faces. That he was wrong doesn’t matter. If he believed it, one may imagine what the young black males of East St. Louis think. Rowan wrote also of the anger and hatred seething in such places. He had seen it. I have seen it.

What will happen if, or when, the economy weakens under rising Asian competition, if good jobs are shipped to India and gasoline hits unheard of prices and the standard of living falls hard? Under the imposed amity of today there lurks powerful resentment on both sides. Prosperity has held things together. A flourishing nation can afford affirmative action. But when prosperity goes so will the amity. I can think of no solution other than a passport and a Euro account.

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Yeah, I don't buy it partularly since the author strongly implies the only reason for the described behavior is race. Culture is not color.

There are likely schools this bad, but it is due to the social environment in which the kids were raised, not the color of their skin.

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I fail to see what you are accusing me of?  Abstracting, as to avoid making problematic statements, perhaps?  I do not have to enumerate my beliefs concerning the black population, since I did not provide an analysis, nor am I qualified to.  What I can speak to is how to engage in social analysis, which the author does a poor job doing.



If the author wanted to make his point, he would have done some polling, or provided some other objective metrics to justify his point, other than his experience.  There is a reason there is a scientific method, even for social science.

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Yeah, I don't buy it partularly since the author strongly implies the only reason for the described behavior is race. Culture is not color.



There are likely schools this bad, but it is due to the social environment in which the kids were raised, not the color of their skin.

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The reasoning in this post staggers the imagination.

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Reading comprehension. Git sum.



Culture is a product of genetics. PRODUCT.

 

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Whatever the problem might be, it's not one I created.

Whatever the solution to the problem might be, it is not in my wallet.

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Here's a good one I found a while ago:

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We could uplift people of this culture if we wanted to. It involves giving them a purpose other than sponging off the government. Same goes for those of this same type of culture with different skin colors.

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Which is an analytically biased way of making broad applications.  No one can deny your experience, but it fails to provide anything that resembles objective analysis.  Like I said above, there are definite problems within certain subsections of the population, but rambling about experiences that were cherry picked is not the way to engage in social analysis.  Selection bias is a bitch.

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In before some apologist blames "culture."

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The essay tragically mirrors what my friend, who teaches in a predominantly poor, black high school tells me.