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Posted: 6/25/2013 12:50:27 PM
Originally Posted By DD977GM2:
Knew a mountain guide in Northern Arizona who carried a 8 shooter and a NAA mini revolver both in 22 Win Mag as his defense for 2 and 4 legged creatures. He said it had never failed him and showed pics of a mountain lion he killed with it. Forget how many shots but he did it all with 22 Win Mag

I agree with others as a better then nothing option.


I'm going to read up on the 22 Win Mag vs 22 LR.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 1:00:55 PM
I have the even less useful .22 short. It's really more of a good luck charm than a weapon.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 1:03:32 PM
I want the new one with the swingout cylinder
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Posted: 6/25/2013 1:24:27 PM
Originally Posted By netofficer3710:
I want the new one with the swingout cylinder


I did not know about that!
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Posted: 6/25/2013 1:35:11 PM
Originally Posted By ClinchMtnman:
The derringer is a little piece of history... pulled many an ass out of a crack. A .22 mag will ruin your day, that's a fact. I'd like to have a little vest gun like that, sure.


I read that as "pulled out of many an ass crack"

True story.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 1:37:06 PM
These were everywhere in the 80's, google image search belt buckle gun.....freedom arms, north american arms, etc.

Gun would pop out of buckle when little button was pressed.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 1:41:57 PM
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when this is out, I may take the plunge.

I had the 22, but I'd want the 22wmr this time.

I'm tempted to go 22 since I' have other 22's, but I'm not about to sacrifice power at this level just for ammo interchangeability.

Originally Posted By netofficer3710:
I want the new one with the swingout cylinder


http://northamericanarms.com/firearms/sidewinder/naa-sidewinder.html

my only quesiton is that I thought you could shoot 22lr out of a 22wmr cylinder, yet they sell a different cylinder for each.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 1:44:03 PM
A friend of mine defended himself with one of those. He was attacked by two
Thugs. One attacker is dead, the other was injured. The incident occurred in 1992 in
New Jersey. He carried the gun on a belt buckle. The attackers never saw it until it was
too late.

So, yes it does have a purpose.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 1:57:22 PM
A guy at work defended himself with a NAA 22 mag like that.
He found a thief prying his radio out of his 280Z dash at night with a screwdriver.
The thief came at him with the screwdriver and the 22 mag put him on the ground but didn't kill him.
The police told my friend he needed a bigger gun.
I carry one just like it.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 2:09:19 PM


Yes, throw it directly between the eyes/nose of your assailent as hard as you can. That should buy you enought time to get to an actual firearm, or to safety.
Seriously that is a piece of scheisse, my brother had one, and it is worthless.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 2:13:32 PM
I would much rather have a Bond Arms in 357 Mag , yeah its only two shots but its big medicine .
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Posted: 6/25/2013 2:16:44 PM
Originally Posted By Stripeknight:
Where are all the people who proclaim the .22lr is the ultimate survival do everything including killing a polar bear at?


I have seen a Polar bear skin full of .22 holes and pictures of a Polar bear killed with a 10/22. Inuit with a snowmachine, a shit load of ammo and time on his hands.


Not that I would recommend it.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 2:19:27 PM
Wearing a .22wmr version in a Lost River Neck holster as I type.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 2:19:57 PM

Originally Posted By strider98:
Originally Posted By ClinchMtnman:
The derringer is a little piece of history... pulled many an ass out of a crack. A .22 mag will ruin your day, that's a fact. I'd like to have a little vest gun like that, sure.


I read that as "pulled out of many an ass crack"

True story.

I read it the same way.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 2:23:49 PM
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Posted: 6/25/2013 2:27:50 PM
Originally Posted By fike:
Ridiculous gun deserves ridiculous grips.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/fnu87k.jpg


And on top of an exploding Glock picture no less.





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Posted: 6/25/2013 3:17:17 PM
Haha I have a little derringer like that. I've always envisioned whipping it out while wearing a three piece suit, playing poker on one of those riverboat casinos.

So... probably not. I mean if you were worried about concealing a gun and that was your only option to try and get close enough to make a shot then maybe.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 3:40:51 PM
I own one in .22 Short. I usually throw it in my pocket just because I can, but, to be honest, there are extremely few times I can't conceal at least a P3AT, so the NAA is more of a novelty to me.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 3:44:00 PM
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Posted: 6/25/2013 4:26:57 PM
Surprised someone hasn't put a red dot sight, laser and flashlight on one....
PRETEND or DEFEND. It really is that simple.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 5:00:14 PM
Originally Posted By BM-ARM-DPMS-guns:
Surprised someone hasn't put a red dot sight, laser and flashlight on one....


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Posted: 6/25/2013 8:22:51 PM
Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
my only quesiton is that I thought you could shoot 22lr out of a 22wmr cylinder, yet they sell a different cylinder for each.


Answered on page 3. Different case diameters make it unsafe to shoot .22lr in the magnum cylinder. The barrel is also different, but not enough to be a safety issue.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 8:39:27 PM
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I heard some woman in FL kept one in her cooter.


Its where I hide my Solothurn.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 8:48:00 PM
I mean if this goes tits up...
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Posted: 6/25/2013 8:52:28 PM
Originally Posted By CFletch:
I am actually planning on getting one of those soon, in 22 magnum with an extra 22lr cylinder. They are good when you absolutely have to have a gun, but for one reason or another it is not possible (or practical) to carry anything more substantial. They also make nice backup guns, or backup to your backup guns. The workmanship on the ones I have seen has been excellent. I will be putting larger grips on mine, and getting one of the models with actual sights.


Same here, no weapons allowed on person or in your car at where I am working and this would be perfect to carry for the times I am working late at night.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 9:10:41 PM
I like the black powder version better.

Makes good smoke, eh?

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Posted: 6/25/2013 9:23:41 PM
I carry one every day, either as a BUG or as a deep concealed primary carry gun. I am in the homes of affluent, often liberal customers every day. I absolutely cannot have a pistol print or show at any time and I refuse to be unarmed. I thinned the grips and dehorned mine and pocket carry it in the same pocket as my keys. It doesn't print as anything even closely resembling a gun.

Those who say they are inaccurate, haven't shot one enough. Mine will keep all five shots in the kill zone of an IDPA target at five steps. I also killed a copperhead with it last summer at about 10 feet with one shot. It helps that I have small hands. I have a friend that is 6'4" and 270 and he can't shoot it. He can't maintain a grip on it and still pull the trigger.

IMHO, the gun in your pocket is infinitely more effective than the gun you left at home. I have better, more effective guns, but this one is in my possession any time I have pants on. We went to Illinois recently on a trip of medical necessity and I felt absolutely naked without it.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 9:55:56 PM
Originally Posted By Khem762:
These were everywhere in the 80's, google image search belt buckle gun.....freedom arms, north american arms, etc.

Gun would pop out of buckle when little button was pressed.


I have one of these. You need two hands to get it out of the buckle. I have large hands, so the gun is somewhat hard to shoot for me. I bought it more for a conversation piece.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 10:02:39 PM
There's a local CCW instructor who carried one and advocated using snake shot in it to disable rather than kill any attackers.

I shit you not.
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Posted: 6/25/2013 10:52:57 PM
I bought one a dozen or more years ago in .22lr, just thought it was neat.
Also have the kydex holster from Franks Center Inc., the one that you wear around your neck.

Loved the holster add; "Stop carrying that little baby in your pocket, it's not safe for you, and it's not good for the gun."
So, it pointing up at my throat is?
Just kidding.
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You can keep one hidden in your crotch if your gay. No straight guy is going to pat down a gay guy's crotch.


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Posted: 6/25/2013 11:42:35 PM
Originally Posted By Maynard:
There's a local CCW instructor who carried one and advocated using snake shot in it to disable rather than kill any attackers.

I shit you not.


I don't agree with this but for a person that feels they could not take a life and was going to carry spray or a stun gun this may be a smaller option for easier concealment.
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Posted: 6/26/2013 12:10:35 AM
Originally Posted By Maynard:
There's a local CCW instructor who carried one and advocated using snake shot in it to disable rather than kill any attackers.

I shit you not.


Disable?

I've used the .22 shotshells in a rifle (16" barrel) to kill mice. At about 8 feet, the shot pattern from that 16" barrel spreads to a little larger than a mouse. It kills the mouse (if you have it centered on the mouse) but does very little visible damage.

I haven't tried the .22 shotshells from a handgun, but I did try the .38special shotshells in a 6" revolver. The pattern spreads so fast, from that 6" barrel, that it is useless at 8 feet.

Was he planning to fire it with the muzzle pressed against a leg or arm?
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Posted: 6/26/2013 11:28:23 PM
It seems like a single shot .357 would be more practical.
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Posted: 6/26/2013 11:30:10 PM
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Dumb. I'd rather carry an extra G26 than that.


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Dumb. I'd rather carry an extra G26 than that.




Bro I'm all for that G26, with that said it's not an ass crack gun
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Posted: 6/26/2013 11:36:34 PM
I know two different guys that didn't get mugged on two different occasions because they had their derringers. Oh and if you shoot one of those they are accurate enough to hit horse apples at about 20ft.
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Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By J_Praetorian:
poverty pistol tbh



These NAA revolvers are some of the nicest guns made.

The fit, finish and function are near flawless.

This.

I own a number of the NAA guns. All are top shelf fine firearms, all will kill on the spot, none can be visually detected.


I went down the table of them at SHOT and thanked each one of them for some of my favorite BUG's.



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Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By J_Praetorian:
poverty pistol tbh



These NAA revolvers are some of the nicest guns made.

The fit, finish and function are near flawless.

This.

I own a number of the NAA guns. All are top shelf fine firearms, all will kill on the spot, none can be visually detected.


I went down the table of them at SHOT and thanked each one of them for some of my favorite BUG's.



NaySayers? Everything has them. Usually envious or dont have enough information to make an intelligent addition to the topic.


Thank you for the great feedback , I'm going to look for one with the swing out cylinder, can't decide between 22LR and 22 Win Mag though
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Posted: 6/27/2013 6:04:45 AM
Originally Posted By JPN:
Originally Posted By Maynard:
There's a local CCW instructor who carried one and advocated using snake shot in it to disable rather than kill any attackers.

I shit you not.


Disable?

I've used the .22 shotshells in a rifle (16" barrel) to kill mice. At about 8 feet, the shot pattern from that 16" barrel spreads to a little larger than a mouse. It kills the mouse (if you have it centered on the mouse) but does very little visible damage.

I haven't tried the .22 shotshells from a handgun, but I did try the .38special shotshells in a 6" revolver. The pattern spreads so fast, from that 6" barrel, that it is useless at 8 feet.

Was he planning to fire it with the muzzle pressed against a leg or arm?



His plan was to shoot them in the face.

I asked him what he would do if they were wearing glasses.

He didn't have an answer.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 7:49:56 AM
Originally Posted By Stripeknight:
Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By J_Praetorian:
poverty pistol tbh



These NAA revolvers are some of the nicest guns made.

The fit, finish and function are near flawless.

This.

I own a number of the NAA guns. All are top shelf fine firearms, all will kill on the spot, none can be visually detected.


I went down the table of them at SHOT and thanked each one of them for some of my favorite BUG's.



NaySayers? Everything has them. Usually envious or dont have enough information to make an intelligent addition to the topic.


Thank you for the great feedback , I'm going to look for one with the swing out cylinder, can't decide between 22LR and 22 Win Mag though


Get the combo that comes with a .22LR conversion cylinder. I shoot .22LR at the range and then pop the .22Mag cylinder in place for carry when I am working out or running or as my BUG. Hornady makes a "Critical Defence" load in .22Mag engineered for short barrels. No, it does not make .22Mag a go to round for self-defense but it does give it a little something extra.

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Posted: 6/27/2013 8:07:00 AM
I want one of the top break models, though not really for carry, just because it's cool.
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Originally Posted By Maynard:
Originally Posted By JPN:
Originally Posted By Maynard:
There's a local CCW instructor who carried one and advocated using snake shot in it to disable rather than kill any attackers.

I shit you not.


Disable?

I've used the .22 shotshells in a rifle (16" barrel) to kill mice. At about 8 feet, the shot pattern from that 16" barrel spreads to a little larger than a mouse. It kills the mouse (if you have it centered on the mouse) but does very little visible damage.

I haven't tried the .22 shotshells from a handgun, but I did try the .38special shotshells in a 6" revolver. The pattern spreads so fast, from that 6" barrel, that it is useless at 8 feet.

Was he planning to fire it with the muzzle pressed against a leg or arm?



His plan was to shoot them in the face.

I asked him what he would do if they were wearing glasses.

He didn't have an answer.


The "you'll shoot your eye out, kid" approach to self defense...

He should just carry a Daisy, instead. Better sights, and much higher ammo capacity.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 8:15:57 AM
Originally Posted By Stripeknight:
Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By J_Praetorian:
poverty pistol tbh



These NAA revolvers are some of the nicest guns made.

The fit, finish and function are near flawless.

This.

I own a number of the NAA guns. All are top shelf fine firearms, all will kill on the spot, none can be visually detected.


I went down the table of them at SHOT and thanked each one of them for some of my favorite BUG's.



NaySayers? Everything has them. Usually envious or dont have enough information to make an intelligent addition to the topic.


Thank you for the great feedback , I'm going to look for one with the swing out cylinder, can't decide between 22LR and 22 Win Mag though


They're very well made. I got the 22lr version because it's cheaper to shoot. I also figured that the distance it might be used in self defense, another 100fps wasn't going to make that big of difference. The Magnum version also has more recoil and noise. The lr version is loud, the mag version makes your ears ring.

For the money they're an excellent value.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 8:24:35 AM
Originally Posted By rob78:
Originally Posted By Stripeknight:
Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By GLOCKREAPER:
Originally Posted By J_Praetorian:
poverty pistol tbh



These NAA revolvers are some of the nicest guns made.

The fit, finish and function are near flawless.

This.

I own a number of the NAA guns. All are top shelf fine firearms, all will kill on the spot, none can be visually detected.


I went down the table of them at SHOT and thanked each one of them for some of my favorite BUG's.



NaySayers? Everything has them. Usually envious or dont have enough information to make an intelligent addition to the topic.


Thank you for the great feedback , I'm going to look for one with the swing out cylinder, can't decide between 22LR and 22 Win Mag though


They're very well made. I got the 22lr version because it's cheaper to shoot. I also figured that the distance it might be used in self defense, another 100fps wasn't going to make that big of difference. The Magnum version also has more recoil and noise. The lr version is loud, the mag version makes your ears ring.

For the money they're an excellent value.


You only gain 100fps going to. A mag?
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Posted: 6/27/2013 8:40:37 AM
Originally Posted By caveman:
I want the one that folds like a pocket knife.



This isn't a different model , just a different grip .

I have just medium sized hands and frankly the NAA standard grip scares the heck out of me just messing about at the range ., I picture myself shooting through my hand because it is so small . With the fold out grip I can grip it better but the process of getting the grip folded out into shooting position is fairly scary with a loaded gun . Hard to get it into operation without pointing the gun places it shouldn't be pointed.


22mag out of the super short barrel still has some punch but the only way it could be considered impressive is in comparison to 22LR

I feel the 22mag is likely to kill but my confidence in it being able to stop is pretty low and when I factor my low ability to get hits with this tiny gun my overall confidence in this as even a backup gun is pretty low.

As others have said however , something is better than nothing.

The choice is to be made by the individual but I have to believe most folks with one of these in their pocket have not put much thought into things

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Posted: 6/27/2013 9:07:27 AM
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They're very well made. I got the 22lr version because it's cheaper to shoot. I also figured that the distance it might be used in self defense, another 100fps wasn't going to make that big of difference. The Magnum version also has more recoil and noise. The lr version is loud, the mag version makes your ears ring.

For the money they're an excellent value.


You only gain 100fps going to. A mag?


With ammo that was designed for a rifle barrel, shooting it from a barrel less than 2 inches long reduces the advantage of the magnum. A large percentage of the extra powder will just be converted to muzzle blast, instead of velocity.
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Posted: 6/27/2013 9:19:29 AM
Originally Posted By chapperjoe:

You only gain 100fps going to. A mag?


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