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Posted: 5/6/2013 4:34:42 AM EDT
Canning shut down west of Mississippi by June 27
Millions of persons have benefited from the canning services offered at the LDS Canneries all over the U.S. as the LDS Church does not require that a person be a member of their church to participate in the bulk purchasing, but this shut down will inevitably make things more challenging for those who are trying to acquire quality food essentials at affordable prices. Unfortunately, the LDS Church (corporation) has enabled the wolf at the door to have the full run of the house in matters such as these. Personal interviews unveiled numerous accounts of supervisors of the canneries feeling badgered and even harassed by the USDA and the FDA. At one point the LDS Church was told that they had to stop canning their homegrown peaches because they were told by the government entity inspecting them that “they were too juicy.” Yup—“too juicy”. How about that for a lame excuse? As a result, the LDS Church began drying some of their produce so that they could still provide such yummy, nutritional produce. (Their dried apples are divine.)
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Posted: 5/6/2013 4:43:06 AM EDT
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Just another example of statists exhibiting incremental control over the food supply. The way I look at it, as long as no one is being deliberately poisoned or sickened from LDS food, the bureaucrats should just fuck off.
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Posted: 5/6/2013 4:46:42 AM EDT
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In before someone says Mormons dont have the right to can and seperation from church and state or some other nonsense. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 4:47:05 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so.
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Posted: 5/6/2013 4:55:14 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. What if my friends and I want to get together, and prepare food for ourselves? .Gov has no business intruding on such an activity. I've never been to an LDS cannery, but isn't that basically the arrangement? |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 4:57:14 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Why? |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 4:58:47 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Shut down all those charity bake sales too. Certify everything. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:00:14 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Where exactly does the federal government derive such authority? |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:00:37 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Why? Because the state says so. 
Now excuse me while I go tell my neighbor that he cant change his own oil without a business license and an ASE certificate. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:00:42 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the business of food production then you have to get certified to do so. lol yes that is what this is all about. Preparing your own food, yes it should be certified and regulated by the .go you have obviously gone to a canning facility before. For decades the LDS church has helped people willing to work at self sufficiency can and dry pack their OWN food. Its not for wholesale commercial use, its not for profit. Its intended for personnel use and if I want to pack my own food I don't need USDA or anyone else telling me how to do it the "right" way. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:02:02 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Bama your sig line says --"You do your thing. I'll do mine" This attitude is contrary to that idea, No? |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:02:37 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Why? Because if you can do things on your own, what is the government needed for? |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:02:43 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business.
Seriously. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:03:06 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the business of food production then you have to get certified to do so.
Yes, submit to the state, even when you are canning your own food, its for the children. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:06:21 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. Sorta looks like they are selling canned goods, according to the link. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:08:15 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:08:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:08:51 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Must have missed that part when I read the Constitution. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:09:10 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Well there goes any more 80% lower parties. 
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:09:26 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Yea, no one is oppressing you citizen. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:09:26 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Bama your sig line says --"You do your thing. I'll do mine" This attitude is contrary to that idea, No?  Good call Bro!
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:10:10 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Too much fail for a Monday morning. 
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:12:28 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Why? I don't see how that is any of the government's business. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:12:44 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. But if you pay those worthless bastards in Government enough in free money (tax payoff) you can buy and sell alcohol and tobacco. And those are really good for you , Right? |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:14:15 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. Sorta looks like they are selling canned goods, according to the link. And? The market has an excellent means of driving out businesses who lack proper sanitation and storage practices. People get the poops or worse and stop buying their wares, they also tend to advertise *why* they stopped shopping there. I do not need the .gov telling me what foods are safe, I have an immune system for that. I also have a mouth and a wallet and I'll use the former to explain to anyone who will stand still why I won't use the latter at a place that gave me the green apple quick step. At some point adults need to make reasonably informed decisions on their own. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:14:37 AM EDT
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Quite a stretch of the imagination to honestly say that a cannery has an impact on interstate commerce, unless of course you love the statist raping of the constitution that is Wickard v. Filburn |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:15:12 AM EDT
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All of you who are screaming that the LDS doesn't need a certificate or some such to sell "preppers" food from the LDS, I bet you will be the first to scream "where was the .gov food inspectors??!!??!!" if you get the shits or poisoned by the prepper foods due to an unsanitary condition.
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:16:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Da comrade, DA! |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:16:31 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. The problem is they are set up as a non profit. They use their kids to work the farms and grow their own food. They use this food at their facilities across the country for local Mormons to come and pick up some of this food at non profit prices. The Gov has stayed out of their business until recently when they started letting NON church members come and BUY some of the cheap food. This is where they got in trouble. If the Church just went back to the members only policy, this wouldn't be a problem. I suspect they have decided there is more money to be made selling to preppers. So now they will just can everything at a central licensed facility and ship. They can simply mail food to their church members in the future. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:17:39 AM EDT
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Quite a stretch of the imagination to honestly say that a cannery has an impact on interstate commerce, unless of course you love the statist raping of the constitution that is Wickard v. Filburn Ever read the Raich decision? The USSC decided that the commerce clause even extends to the black market and that not selling illegal things on the black market affects interstate commerce because it deprives the black market in other states the opportunity to sell illegal things there. How's THAT for a kick in the nuts? |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:17:46 AM EDT
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All of you who are screaming that the LDS doesn't need a certificate or some such to sell "preppers" food from the LDS, I bet you will be the first to scream "where was the .gov food inspectors??!!??!!" if you get the shits or poisoned by the prepper foods due to an unsanitary condition. ANNNNNDDDD NOOOOOOOPE Not gonna happen, besides if you had ever been to a cannery you would see just how well they do in fact sanitize their facility. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:17:56 AM EDT
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a good number of those around here, never heard anything but good about them, i think anyone that isnt part of the FSA is targeted by the government, from small buisiness up. I am not LDS but this is total bullshit, i say tar and feather for all
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:18:32 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. The problem is they are set up as a non profit. They use their kids to work the farms and grow their own food. They use this food at their facilities across the country for local Mormons to come and pick up some of this food at non profit prices. The Gov has stayed at of their business until recently when they started letting NON church members come and BUY some of the cheap food. This is where they got in trouble. If the Church just went back to the members only policy, this wouldn't be a problem. I suspect they have decided their is more money to be made selling to preppers. So now they will just can everything at a central licensed facility and ship. They can simply mail food to their church members in the future. hey do not use their kids to work the fams. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:18:34 AM EDT
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All of you who are screaming that the LDS doesn't need a certificate or some such to sell "preppers" food from the LDS, I bet you will be the first to scream "where was the .gov food inspectors??!!??!!" if you get the shits or poisoned by the prepper foods due to an unsanitary condition. You're wrong, at least when it comes to me, personally. Your "all of you" brush is painting far outside the lines in this case. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:19:43 AM EDT
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All of you who are screaming that the LDS doesn't need a certificate or some such to sell "preppers" food from the LDS, I bet you will be the first to scream "where was the .gov food inspectors??!!??!!" if you get the shits or poisoned by the prepper foods due to an unsanitary condition. I buy raw dairy from an unlicensed dairy farmer that sells it out of the back of his van. Best milk I have ever drank in my life. I make the choice to consume his product, and if it makes me sick it is nobody's fault by my own. Just because a good portion of the adults in the U.S. are dependent on the government to 'protect' them doesn't make it right, nor does it mean that everybody is that stupid. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:19:55 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. The problem is they are set up as a non profit. They use their kids to work the farms and grow their own food. They use this food at their facilities across the country for local Mormons to come and pick up some of this food at non profit prices. The Gov has stayed out of their business until recently when they started letting NON church members come and BUY some of the cheap food. This is where they got in trouble. If the Church just went back to the members only policy, this wouldn't be a problem. I suspect they have decided there is more money to be made selling to preppers. So now they will just can everything at a central licensed facility and ship. They can simply mail food to their church members in the future. For as far back as I can recall (let's call that 20 years or so) the LDS has AWAYS served non-LDS folks. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:20:18 AM EDT
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Quite a stretch of the imagination to honestly say that a cannery has an impact on interstate commerce, unless of course you love the statist raping of the constitution that is Wickard v. Filburn Ever read the Raich decision? The USSC decided that the commerce clause even extends to the black market and that not selling illegal things on the black market affects interstate commerce because it deprives the black market in other states the opportunity to sell illegal things there. How's THAT for a kick in the nuts? You have got to be fucking kidding me. I am looking for it now. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:21:05 AM EDT
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It appears we now have a "quote bama" shitstorm.
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:22:40 AM EDT
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Quite a stretch of the imagination to honestly say that a cannery has an impact on interstate commerce, unless of course you love the statist raping of the constitution that is Wickard v. Filburn Ever read the Raich decision? The USSC decided that the commerce clause even extends to the black market and that not selling illegal things on the black market affects interstate commerce because it deprives the black market in other states the opportunity to sell illegal things there. How's THAT for a kick in the nuts? You have got to be fucking kidding me. I am looking for it now. California dope dispensary case Gonzales v. Raich |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:22:49 AM EDT
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Before we allowed the government to take control of our lives and ushered in welfare, neighbors, churches and social groups used to take care of each other and the needy.
America was a better place back then. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:22:56 AM EDT
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Why is everything a war? War on drugs. War on crime. War on christians. War on muslims. War on canneries.
We use that word way too much |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:23:24 AM EDT
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It appears we now have a "quote bama" shitstorm. Cuz it don't make sense. I'm gonna print up some certificates and sell em to my neighbors or they gonna have to pull up dim dare toe mater plants. 
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:24:17 AM EDT
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For those talking about the un sanitary conditions. Go check out survival blogs, websites, food packing information. Find me a story of people getting sick from LDS food distribution. Cant? I wonder why. Now use your head. Why would the .gov focus in on getting back at a church that does not go with the mainstream idea of gay marriage, dependency on .gov, as well as a million other DEM ideas? I wonder why. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:24:55 AM EDT
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If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. The problem is they are set up as a non profit. They use their kids to work the farms and grow their own food. They use this food at their facilities across the country for local Mormons to come and pick up some of this food at non profit prices. The Gov has stayed out of their business until recently when they started letting NON church members come and BUY some of the cheap food. This is where they got in trouble. If the Church just went back to the members only policy, this wouldn't be a problem. I suspect they have decided there is more money to be made selling to preppers. So now they will just can everything at a central licensed facility and ship. They can simply mail food to their church members in the future. For as far back as I can recall (let's call that 20 years or so) the LDS has AWAYS served non-LDS folks. Right. But things were much different before the internet. Y2K, 9/11, 2012, SouthPark, etc..... There is much more exposure on them now than ever before. The Congressional aides reading this thread never knew about the canneries until 2010-2011. This is just like Chuck seeing the plastic gun on Drudge and wanting a law passed within hours. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:25:34 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Wow.
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:25:50 AM EDT
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All of you who are screaming that the LDS doesn't need a certificate or some such to sell "preppers" food from the LDS, I bet you will be the first to scream "where was the .gov food inspectors??!!??!!" if you get the shits or poisoned by the prepper foods due to an unsanitary condition. You will NEVER, EVER hear me clammer for ANY government inspector, helper, overseer, baby sitter or anything else the government does "for" us. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:26:23 AM EDT
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If you want to be in the buisness of food production then you have to get certified to do so. Respect; I just lost some. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:26:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: If people are canning and preserving their own food (and not commercially selling it), then I don't see where this is any of the FedGov's business. Seriously. Exactly. When one considers the fact that storing food is a basic tenant of the LDS church...this seems like just one more instance of .gov shitting on peoples religious freedoms.  I guess they weren't happy just to mandate Catholic operated hospitals provide birth control to their adherents whose religion expressly forbids it. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:27:03 AM EDT
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It's not prepping, it's Self Reliance they're after.
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:28:18 AM EDT
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For those talking about the un sanitary conditions. Go check out survival blogs, websites, food packing information. Find me a story of people getting sick from LDS food distribution. Cant? I wonder why. Now use your head. Why would the .gov focus in on getting back at a church that does not go with the mainstream idea of gay marriage, dependency on .gov, as well as a million other DEM ideas? I wonder why. And? Every other cannery and food seller is required to be certified. Is it right? Maybe, maybe not, but giving the LDS special exemption isn't the way to do things. |
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Posted: 5/6/2013 5:28:35 AM EDT
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All of you who are screaming that the LDS doesn't need a certificate or some such to sell "preppers" food from the LDS, I bet you will be the first to scream "where was the .gov food inspectors??!!??!!" if you get the shits or poisoned by the prepper foods due to an unsanitary condition. No, I would be the last. I take full responsibility for what I eat. I do not need a nanny. |
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