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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:38:18 AM EDT
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The person pulling the trigger.
Denverdan beat me to it 
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:38:47 AM EDT
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bigger version http://i.imgur.com/v5sBv6Y.jpg |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:39:50 AM EDT
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Larue Noveske Daniel Defense BCM Colt In that order. Fuck the rest... Hahah I am guessing you have never heard about Christensen Arms? BCM over CMMG? |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:46:02 AM EDT
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Hahah I am guessing you have never heard about Christensen Arms? BCM over CMMG? CMMG LPKS have commercial hammers and they put a AR15 bolt catch in my MK3. They're good for the money but not great at any price. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:47:55 AM EDT
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I can't believe no one has said "Bushmaster" yet, the brand name has become a media synonym for any AR style rifle, especially when used in some type of horrific crime.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:49:46 AM EDT
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Larue Noveske Daniel Defense BCM Colt In that order. Fuck the rest... Cant afford a KAC? They are at the top end of the price curve, for sure. But their lowers are the best buy there is IMO. I prefer Noveske or Larue barrels, but KAC is overall phenomenal. Simply my opinion after trying a bunch of AR's, I put Noveske/Larue as my co-favorites with KAC right behind them. If they were all the same price, I'd have 3 co-favorites. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:50:30 AM EDT
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The person pulling the trigger. This. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:50:45 AM EDT
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Larue Noveske Daniel Defense BCM Colt In that order. Fuck the rest... Hahah I am guessing you have never heard about Christensen Arms? BCM over CMMG? what about JP? Wilson combat? etc. Its a fucking stupid discussion, because 99% of users will/would be served just fine by a S&W, armalite, or a bushmaster. Most of the tier 1 or nothing crowd are just trying to justify their purchase. I have no issue with what people buy, I would love a complete Wilson 14.5, but I can not justify spending that much on a rifle right now. If you can afford it, good for you, but dont act like a cheaper rifle wont fit the needs of most people, because it will. Shooting 200rds a year is not a high threshold to meet. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:51:08 AM EDT
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Materials Thorough testing Quality control Customer service What does this make a SMLE, M98/96 etc, most Mannlichers, a US made Mosin Nagant.........? Garbage? |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:51:45 AM EDT
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DPMS? Tier.....?
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:52:10 AM EDT
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Gun snob nomenclature. this for a large part, Look at 1911a1s. While the Kimbers etc are considered Tier 1, in reality RIAs are generally every bit as reliable and in many cases moreso. While pinpoint accuracy is nice, reliability and minute of bad guy strikes me as pretty damned good when the SHTF. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:53:28 AM EDT
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I can't believe no one has said "Bushmaster" yet, the brand name has become a media synonym for any AR style rifle, especially when used in some type of horrific crime. Bushmaster hasn't been tier one, I think, ever. Spotty QC, marketing gimmicks. The fact that they had a "Man Card" advertisement thing going prior to Sandy Hook shows what kind of "tier" they were trying to attract. On the other hand, love the Kuffs avatar. Probably one of my favorite cop movies. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:55:45 AM EDT
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Gun snob nomenclature. this for a large part, Look at 1911a1s. While the Kimbers etc are considered Tier 1, in reality RIAs are generally every bit as reliable and in many cases moreso. While pinpoint accuracy is nice, reliability and minute of bad guy strikes me as pretty damned good when the SHTF. I've actually been told that RIAs were worthless because the grips were apparently whittled by blind squirrels and the Phillipines couldn't make a good 1911 because they were a conquered nation in WWII and weren't good for manufacturing. Mind you, the dude who told me this is a die hard Tier 1 guy... |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 9:58:44 AM EDT
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This is what makes Tier One Tier One... Behold: 
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:04:24 AM EDT
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DPMS? Tier.....? So awesome it's Tier 0!!! (Thats even higher than tier1) 
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:09:38 AM EDT
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The blood of your enemies as lubricant and a sling made of their skins the lower hammered on the forges of Endor. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:10:42 AM EDT
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I have a tier 1 stevens shotgun too! Stevens 520's are Tier 1 in my book. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:13:16 AM EDT
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I can't believe no one has said "Bushmaster" yet, the brand name has become a media synonym for any AR style rifle, especially when used in some type of horrific crime. Bushmaster hasn't been tier one, I think, ever. Spotty QC, marketing gimmicks. The fact that they had a "Man Card" advertisement thing going prior to Sandy Hook shows what kind of "tier" they were trying to attract. On the other hand, love the Kuffs avatar. Probably one of my favorite cop movies. And at one point it was just them, Colt and Olympic. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:14:25 AM EDT
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There are two types of commercially manufactured mil-spec guns.
1. Put together to spec, tolerances checked and chamber correctly head spaced. 2. Assembled with exact tolerences, checked for function, top grade barrel and correctly head spaced closer to minimum SAAMI spec. Some hand fitting is sometimes required for these weapons. dc. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:15:51 AM EDT
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Red Jacket=tier 1
everything else is less |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:27:06 AM EDT
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I'm sure this will still catch some flak but how about a manufacturer that has won a contract to supply the government/military with a product that has gone through major testing, evaluation and analysis? DING! DING! DING! |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:37:04 AM EDT
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I can't believe no one has said "Bushmaster" yet, the brand name has become a media synonym for any AR style rifle, especially when used in some type of horrific crime. Bushmaster hasn't been tier one, I think, ever. Spotty QC, marketing gimmicks. The fact that they had a "Man Card" advertisement thing going prior to Sandy Hook shows what kind of "tier" they were trying to attract. On the other hand, love the Kuffs avatar. Probably one of my favorite cop movies. When I first became interested in AR's, they were certainly one of the top makes. This was before boutique AR's with all the top notch parts, and better than MOA accuracy became popular. The couple Bushmasters I have owned were perfectly good to go. I havent owned one in 10 years probably and I have "heard" they deteriorated, but imagine it is overstated. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:38:25 AM EDT
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See sig line
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:41:40 AM EDT
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Red Jacket=tier 1 everything else is less Wait a minute....  Hesse , Vulcan, Blackthorne is the choice of special forces. It said so on their www. page.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:46:39 AM EDT
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It has everything to do with the number of trips the rifle took down the driveway.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:49:26 AM EDT
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Research "Aquabumping"
A true tier 1 rifle can withstand the aqua bump. There is only one way to find out which tier your rifle rates. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:55:29 AM EDT
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Larue Noveske Daniel Defense BCM Colt In that order. Fuck the rest... Hahah I am guessing you have never heard about Christensen Arms? BCM over CMMG? what about JP? Wilson combat? etc. Its a fucking stupid discussion, because 99% of users will/would be served just fine by a S&W, armalite, or a bushmaster. Most of the tier 1 or nothing crowd are just trying to justify their purchase. I have no issue with what people buy, I would love a complete Wilson 14.5, but I can not justify spending that much on a rifle right now. If you can afford it, good for you, but dont act like a cheaper rifle wont fit the needs of most people, because it will. Shooting 200rds a year is not a high threshold to meet. Well said. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 10:56:17 AM EDT
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No love for LWRC?
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:13:13 AM EDT
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Tier 1 = Attention to Detail. Attention to detail in using the right materials, using the right processes, building to the right specs etc.
Just about any rifle can be brought up to "Tier 1" status with parts swapping out by a knowledgable AR smith. Also: Even some of the beloved brands have cut corners when/where no one is looking. Not going to name names, but one major and respected brand recently started using 6061 Aluminum buffers tubes make to mil spec dimensions using the far cheaper commercial fabrication process. As much as it pains me to say it, Colt is the one company that gets it right with both materials and processes. KAC is in the same camp if not better. Noveske is a small shop, and they have to source parts from sub contractors... but they make up for it with attention to detail and purchasing only from good supplier. Bushmaster makes their parts to spec... but it's the luck of the fucking draw if it's put together right. People think AR-15s are like legos. Everything is compatible with everything, just slam it together. On the surface, this is true. However, scratch the surface and start looking at if people are using 6061 or 7075 Aluminum. Look at their anodizing. 7075-T6 aluminum is extremely difficult to anodize to Type III mil specs correctly due to chemistry of the process... only a few subcontractors (who do major work for all the major companies) have figured out how to do it right... hence why a lot of new company's 7075 anodizing flakes off and sucks, etc etc etc. Everyone and their asshole has an opinion about ARs, but it seems their are only a few SMEs who actually knows who makes what and for who. There are a lot of Korean/Taiwanese parts subcontractors. There is a lot of 6061 going where 7075 should be going. There is a lot of shitty anodizing by folks who've never type III anodized 7075, etc etc etc. The gun business is pretty careful to protect their secrets. On the piston side of the house LWRC/PWS get my love. On the DGI side of the house Colt, Noveske, Centurion Arms, KAC, BCM, LMT gets my love. Quoted:
No love for LWRC? Much love. Their newest SPR and IC rifles are good to go 
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:15:43 AM EDT
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I can't believe nobody has posted the chart yet.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:27:40 AM EDT
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If they don't have their own hat, I don't mess with them.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:30:33 AM EDT
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The roll mark, if the roll mark lacks a horse, it's absolute shit that only guerrillas from third world shit-holes would consider using.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:33:41 AM EDT
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I can't believe no one has said "Bushmaster" yet, the brand name has become a media synonym for any AR style rifle, especially when used in some type of horrific crime. That makes a Bushie the only true Tier ALPHA gun doesn't it? |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:36:00 AM EDT
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The person pulling the trigger. +1 WTF??? John A you have no join date??  
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:36:46 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:38:18 AM EDT
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Anyone who seriously uses the term "Tier 1" possesses and extra chromosome, has probably been referred to as "Corky" on several occasions and probably can't clap their hands without stomping their feet.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:44:07 AM EDT
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I'm sure this will still catch some flak but how about a manufacturer that has won a contract to supply the government/military with a product that has gone through major testing, evaluation and analysis? If contracts weren't usually won by the lowest bidder, that'd be feasible. My father is an investigator with the DOD procurement program. Puts guys in jail for selling crap through government contracts. If you think getting a government contract makes you something special I'll let you talk to him! Like the guy that makes life jackets, his sewing machines weren't quite right and sewed holes in the bladders. What does he do, shoots a sealant like fix-a-flat in there to make it airtight. Problem is now they seal the bladders shut and they don't inflate. Problem for the poor seaman that fell in the water and drowned because his government approved contract life jacket don't work. The owner of this flea bag small time operation gets seven years for manslaughter. Just because big green uses it, don't make it all that great! |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:47:09 AM EDT
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Can we kill this fucking "tier 1" bullshit that has been made popular by a fucking VIDEO GAME???
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:47:59 AM EDT
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Gun snob nomenclature. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:48:07 AM EDT
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You will know a Tier 1 rifle when you pick one up. Swiss K-31 rifles are Tier 1. So are K-11. Actually any Swiss made firearm is Tier 1. Other Tier 1 rifles are Fabrique Nation 98 Mausers, Finnish Sakos, and old Swedish Husqvarnas. Real controlled feed Winchester Model 70s are Tier 1. There are other Tier 1 rifles, but those a few examples. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:48:46 AM EDT
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Near as I can tell it's what I call the Fap Factor
Tier 1 ) Constant Fapping Tier 2 ) Occasional Fapping Tier 3 ) Blue Balls |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:49:14 AM EDT
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I would say anything that's been in a war zone such as colt, bushmaster, knights, etc....., definitely not larue
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:49:31 AM EDT
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This is what makes Tier One Tier One... Behold: http://i390.photobucket.com/albums/oo347/Patriot328/Theallknowingchartar15.jpg All hail the chart! |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 11:56:23 AM EDT
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The shoulder thing that goes up.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 12:33:55 PM EDT
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Hahah I am guessing you have never heard about Christensen Arms? BCM over CMMG? CMMG LPKS have commercial hammers and they put a AR15 bolt catch in my MK3. They're good for the money but not great at any price. what??????....this gibberish made no sense at all. A commercial hammer? WTF is that is it a standard hammer compared to an M16 hammer? and what is an Ar15 bolt catch? is it different than a M16 bolt catch? |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 12:34:15 PM EDT
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The person pulling the trigger. This. A guy with the right training, mindset and experience is deadly even with a single shot .22. a crackhead with a pocket knife can be deadly |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 12:55:06 PM EDT
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Tier 1? That's easy, once the number of obnoxious fanboys (Predatards for example) reaches a critical mass, then you are tier 1 and everybody else's stuff is crap and yer prolly gonna die noob if you don't spend at least 2-3 grand to be cool 'cause everybody know that duh 13'er etc. etc.
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Posted: 5/5/2013 1:15:50 PM EDT
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I can't believe no one has said "Bushmaster" yet, the brand name has become a media synonym for any AR style rifle, especially when used in some type of horrific crime. Bushmaster hasn't been tier one, I think, ever. Spotty QC, marketing gimmicks. The fact that they had a "Man Card" advertisement thing going prior to Sandy Hook shows what kind of "tier" they were trying to attract. On the other hand, love the Kuffs avatar. Probably one of my favorite cop movies. When I first became interested in AR's, they were certainly one of the top makes. This was before boutique AR's with all the top notch parts, and better than MOA accuracy became popular. The couple Bushmasters I have owned were perfectly good to go. I havent owned one in 10 years probably and I have "heard" they deteriorated, but imagine it is overstated. They were bought out and shutdown by Freedom Group a few years back. Same people that own Kahr, DPMS, Remington, and quite a few other companies. The bushmaster you owned is now a new company called Wyndham. Freedom Group fired them all and closed the bushmaster plant, so they started a new company and are back to making decent stuff. |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 1:18:14 PM EDT
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] what??????....this gibberish made no sense at all. A commercial hammer? WTF is that is it a standard hammer compared to an M16 hammer? and what is an Ar15 bolt catch? is it different than a M16 bolt catch? Dude, do you even shoot? |
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Posted: 5/5/2013 1:18:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: As I've said on Arfcom before: Tier 1 = What I own Tier 2 = What my friends own Tier 3 = What the rest of you own This. |
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