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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:42:36 PM
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:43:50 PM
Please post pictures of your 80%s so Someone can submit you as a terrierist.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:44:38 PM
It wouldn't really be off the books if you know about it, now would it?
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Originally Posted By learath:
Please post pictures of your 80%s so Someone can submit you as a terrierist.



Sorry, I don't have any 80%ers.... or any weapons of any kind, as they were all sadly lost in a freak kayaking accident. <kicks ground>
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:45:42 PM
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:46:51 PM

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.

Thank God I use YOUR name for all that crap. Usually with Allah Ackbar written at the bottom and
Prosecutor Kristyna S. Mills said her office prosecutes these types of cases “all the time”speaking of the prosecution of Sgt. Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, for possessing AR15 magazines
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:47:38 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Agreed. But assuming I had a lower that a 4473 was filled out for, and then sold the lower to someone else using a 4473 also, there would be proof that I don't have it anymore.

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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:49:23 PM
Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Agreed. But assuming I had a lower that a 4473 was filled out for, and then sold the lower to someone else using a 4473 also, there would be proof that I don't have it anymore.



if confiscation time comes you think they won't be issuing a warrant for a complete search....lol
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:49:52 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


But will I still get the $500 for making the anonymous call?
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:49:58 PM
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.

Thank God I use YOUR name for all that crap. Usually with Allah Ackbar written at the bottom and


well that explains the christmas card i get from the obamas every year.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:51:08 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Agreed. But assuming I had a lower that a 4473 was filled out for, and then sold the lower to someone else using a 4473 also, there would be proof that I don't have it anymore.



if confiscation time comes you think they won't be issuing a warrant for a complete search....lol


I doubt they'll even bother with the warrant. If the 2nd Amendment is cancelled, why worry about the others?
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:52:05 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


My thoughts precisely
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:52:09 PM
Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Agreed. But assuming I had a lower that a 4473 was filled out for, and then sold the lower to someone else using a 4473 also, there would be proof that I don't have it anymore.



Here's the problem:

If you are concerned that a 4473 will be used as some kind of "probable cause" to get a warrant to search your house - in the hypothetical case of house-to-house confiscation of "assault rifles" - then your house WILL be searched if you filled out a 4473 at some point.

If they are at your door with the warrant, they're not going to care (or be interested in checking) your story that some other guy might own it now, even if there's a 4473 to show that transaction too. They will still search your house, and then find your "off-paper" receiver.

... unless you've hidden it REALLY well, and if you are able to do that with a non-4473 gun, then you can just hide your 4473 gun really well, and tell them you sold it to a guy called Bob at the flea market, who seemed like a really law-abiding fellow.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:52:29 PM
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.

Thank God I use YOUR name for all that crap. Usually with Allah Ackbar written at the bottom and


well that explains the christmas card i get from the obamas every year.

My buddy's dad apparently for years would get drunk and call the White House to yell at the Clintons whenever he was at someone else's house for a party (using their phone, you kids who do not remember the time before cel phones). He finally confessed when the Secret Service called asking who the drunk guy from that town was who kept calling from different phone numbers and telling the guy whose home it was to tell him to cut it out.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:53:07 PM
an 80% is on my list of "to do's" but if you want to unload some lowers cheap so you can be "off the books" i'd be happy offer you very little for them.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:53:14 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Agreed. But assuming I had a lower that a 4473 was filled out for, and then sold the lower to someone else using a 4473 also, there would be proof that I don't have it anymore.



if confiscation time comes you think they won't be issuing a warrant for a complete search....lol


thats what secret compartments etc are for.

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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:53:15 PM
You mean those really cool paperweights?

Other than that, I don't know what you are talking about
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:54:30 PM
Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Agreed. But assuming I had a lower that a 4473 was filled out for, and then sold the lower to someone else using a 4473 also, there would be proof that I don't have it anymore.



if confiscation time comes you think they won't be issuing a warrant for a complete search....lol


thats what secret compartments etc are for.



So just put your 4473 rifle in there, and tell them you sold it in a private sale when they toss your house.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:56:40 PM
Originally Posted By Colonel_Angus:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


My thoughts precisely


If you've ever gone to a public range you may also make the list..
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Posted: 4/22/2013 2:59:37 PM
all good info guys, sounds like I may still get an 80% but will just keep the guns I have that are laying at the bottom of a lake in MN... I don't remember which one.

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Posted: 4/22/2013 3:00:17 PM
I'm surprised there hasn't been any "Nice Dag" comments...
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Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
I'm surprised there hasn't been any "Nice Dag" comments...


He looks embarrassed.

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Why not just buy a regular lower F2F from someone who doesn't care to keep a bill of sale. I don't see how that would be any different.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 3:34:07 PM
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Posted: 4/22/2013 3:36:12 PM
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Come on people. Those records are purged in 48 hours. They don't even know what your are buying
at the time of purchase. All records live with the FFL.

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Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
I'm surprised there hasn't been any "Nice Dag" comments...


He looks embarrassed.



Yes he does.
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Originally Posted By lockinload:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Come on people. Those records are purged in 48 hours. They don't even know what your are buying
at the time of purchase. All records live with the FFL.



except when an ffl closes and they are turned into the ATF, and then there was the time they actually got caught abusing the system and ordered to cease.

do you not think for a second those forms would also be confiscated and used if needed? why ask the FFL to maintain them once the BG check is completed? they don't need to know what you have, only that you bought something.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 3:42:44 PM
Originally Posted By lockinload:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Come on people. Those records are purged in 48 hours. They don't even know what your are buying
at the time of purchase. All records live with the FFL.




Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh, you were serious......

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Nice dag and I'm not sure I see the point unless the buyer has a milling machine and knows how to use it. Would have to make/buy Jigs to hold the work as well. Unless you know your way around machining equipment or know somebody that does what good is an 80% lower?
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Posted: 4/22/2013 3:48:15 PM
Originally Posted By lockinload:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Come on people. Those records are purged in 48 hours. They don't even know what your are buying
at the time of purchase. All records live with the FFL.



You're thinking of the NICS check. The 4473s are kept, if I remember correctly, for 10 years at the dealer's location. Not sure what the actual time limit is, but it's 7 or 10 years or something like that. Most dealers keep them indefinitely b/c the ATF can decide to be dicks, even if the legal time has passed. So yeah, good luck with the 48 hours thing on the 4473s.
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Posted: 4/22/2013 3:48:33 PM
Originally Posted By lockinload:
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.


Come on people. Those records are purged in 48 hours. They don't even know what your are buying
at the time of purchase. All records live with the FFL.



Don't think this.

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Posted: 4/23/2013 10:03:20 AM
Originally Posted By peecmkr45:
Nice dag and I'm not sure I see the point unless the buyer has a milling machine and knows how to use it. Would have to make/buy Jigs to hold the work as well. Unless you know your way around machining equipment or know somebody that does what good is an 80% lower?


There are tons of videos on youtube on how to do it, and also some tutorials here i believe. There are jigs out there for this such as ares armor and cncguns and i'm sure others, but its tough to find them right now with the popularity of the 80% lower.

If I were to buy an 80% lower, i'd obviously do the machining. Many people have had success even doing the machining with drill presses.

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Posted: 4/23/2013 10:07:54 AM
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
if you EVER filed out a 4473 for anything at sometime in the past.... your already on the list.

Thank God I use YOUR name for all that crap. Usually with Allah Ackbar written at the bottom and


TC gives me weird looks when i write my race as penguin but he hasn't figured it out yet.
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Posted: 4/23/2013 10:12:05 AM
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I'm surprised there hasn't been any "Nice Dag" comments...


He looks embarrassed.



No, he's worried his ass is getting blasted during confiscation time because OP has filled out a 4473 at some point during his life.

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Posted: 4/23/2013 10:16:02 AM
I've been waiting for my 80% lower to ship from Ares Armour since November.

I paid up front too.

Ares came right out and said that every item they stocked was sold out with an indefinite restock time. But only about a month after I placed my order.

I didn't buy mine to have some super secret squirrel lower, I just thought it would be a fun project.

Maybe someday I'll find out.
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Posted: 4/23/2013 10:20:40 AM
Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By ericnhitterdal:
I'm surprised there hasn't been any "Nice Dag" comments...


He looks embarrassed.



By the question.

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... I'm not sure I see the point unless the buyer has a milling machine and knows how to use it. Would have to make/buy Jigs to hold the work as well. Unless you know your way around machining equipment or know somebody that does what good is an 80% lower?




You're kidding, right?

You can finish an 80% lower with a hand-held dremel, as long as you are careful and take your time.
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