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Posted: 3/30/2013 4:51:45 PM EDT
Repost from a different forum. No mention of this bill in any CO media. The writing is on the wall. |
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Don't worry. The only time the USSS will be in CO is when Obama and his family take a vacation. Pray that global warming is a reality because that will keep them away since there will be no snow on the mountains...
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Don't worry. The only time the USSS will be in CO is when Obama and his family take a vacation. Pray that global warming is a reality because that will keep them away since there will be no snow on the mountains... USSS does a lot more than just guard the President. |
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Quoted: Dupe. State grants Secret Service new powers-will be able to enforce Obama gun laws without sheriffs' help I searched for the bill number and nothing came up. |
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Other federal agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, USMS, FPS, and DHS/ICE already have these powers. It essentially recognizes them as peace officers as defined by the state.
See Colorado Revised Statute 16-2.5-147. This simply gives the same recognition to the Secret Service since they had apparently been left out in the bill I cited above. |
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Other federal agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, USMS, FPS, and DHS/ICE already have these powers. It essentially recognizes them as peace officers as defined by the state. See Colorado Revised Statute 16-2.5-147. This simply gives the same recognition to the Secret Service since they had apparently been left out in the bill I cited above. So, it looks like that revised statute is from 2012. Why is it getting changed NOW, with everything going on in CO? |
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Damn. Some of you are really need to think things thru before posting.
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Other federal agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, USMS, FPS, and DHS/ICE already have these powers. It essentially recognizes them as peace officers as defined by the state. See Colorado Revised Statute 16-2.5-147. This simply gives the same recognition to the Secret Service since they had apparently been left out in the bill I cited above. So, it looks like that revised statute is from 2012. Why is it getting changed NOW, with everything going on in CO? Here's the text of the statute I cited. Read and decide for yourself. 16-2.5-147. Federal special agents (1) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, in any jurisdiction within the state of Colorado, is a peace officer whose authority is limited as provided in this section. The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is authorized to act in the following circumstances: (a) The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is: (I) Responding to a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor that has been committed in the presence of the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer; (II) Responding to an emergency situation in which the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer has probable cause to believe that a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor involving injury or threat of injury to a person or property has been, or is being, committed and immediate action is required to prevent escape, serious bodily injury, or destruction of property; (III) Rendering assistance at the request of a Colorado peace officer; or (IV) Effecting an arrest or providing assistance as part of a bona fide task force or joint investigation with Colorado peace officers; and (b) The agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer acts in accordance with the rules and regulations of his or her employing agency. (2) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement is a person who is employed by the United States government, assigned to the federal bureau of investigation, the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, the United States marshal service, or the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, empowered to effect an arrest with or without a warrant for violations of the United States code, and authorized to carry a firearm and use deadly force in the performance of the special agent's, deputy's or special deputy's, or officer's official duties as a federal law enforcement officer. (3) Upon effecting an arrest under the authority of this section, a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement shall immediately surrender custody of the arrested individual to a Colorado peace officer. (4) This section does not impose liability on or require indemnification or create a waiver of sovereign immunity by the state of Colorado for any action performed under this section by a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement. (5) Nothing in this section shall be construed to expand the authority of federal law enforcement officers to initiate or conduct an independent investigation into violations of Colorado law. HISTORY: Source:. L. 2006: Entire section added, p. 126, § 1, effective March 27.L. 2008: Entire section amended, p. 701, § 1, effective August 5.L. 2011: Entire section amended, (HB 11-1073), ch. 32, p. 90, § 1, effective August 10. |
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I imagine that like most agencies, the secret service is short of money and personnel. As a result, they have to pick carefully where they spend the money/resources that they have. They obviously can't be everywhere at once. There simply aren't that many of 'me to go around.
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Other states have similar laws. Missouri, for example:
Authority of peace officers to respond to emergencies outside jurisdiction--definitions--authority of certain peace officers--authority of federal law enforcement officers. 70.820. 1. Any law enforcement officer as defined by section 556.061, full-time peace officer as defined by section 590.100, of a county or a full-time peace officer of any political subdivision who is certified pursuant to chapter 590, or a chief executive officer as defined by section 590.100, of a county or any political subdivision, certified pursuant to chapter 590 shall have the authority to respond to an emergency situation outside the boundaries of the political subdivision from which such peace officer's authority is derived. This section does not apply to any peace officer certified pursuant to subsection 6 of section 590.105. 2. Before a peace officer shall have the authority to respond to an emergency situation outside the boundaries of the political subdivision from which the officer's authority is derived pursuant to subsection 1 of this section, the authority shall be first authorized by ordinance, order, or other ruling by the governing body of the political subdivision from which the officer derives such officer's authority and by the governing body of the political subdivision in which the emergency situation is alleged to be occurring and by the board of police established by section 84.020 or by the board of police commissioners established by section 84.350 if the officer derives his authority from either board or if the emergency situation is alleged to be occurring within the jurisdiction of either board. 3. As used in this section, "emergency situation" means any situation in which the law enforcement officer has a reasonable belief that a crime is about to be committed, is being committed, or has been committed involving injury or threat of injury to any person, property, or governmental interest and such officer's response is reasonably necessary to prevent or end such emergency situation or mitigate the likelihood of injury involved in such emergency situation. The determination of the existence of any emergency situation shall be in the discretion of the officer making the response or in the discretion of an officer or governmental officer of the political subdivision in which the emergency situation is alleged to be occurring. 4. As used in this section, "response" shall mean to take any and all action which the officer may lawfully take as if exercising his powers within his own jurisdiction. 5. In addition to the emergency response powers prescribed in subsection 1 of this section, any peace officer of a county of the first classification with a charter form of government, or any peace officer of any political subdivision within any county of the first classification with a charter form of government, or any peace officer of any city not within a county, who has completed the basic peace training program pursuant to chapter 590 may arrest persons who violate any provision of state law within the boundaries of any county of the first classification or of any city not within a county. 6. In addition to the powers prescribed in subsections 1 and 5 of this section, section 544.216, and any other arrest powers, a law enforcement officer or federal law enforcement officer as defined in subsection 8 of this section, may arrest on view, and without a warrant, at any place within this state, any person the officer sees asserting physical force or using forcible compulsion for the purpose of causing or creating a substantial risk of death or serious physical injury to any person or any person the officer sees committing a dangerous felony as defined in section 556.061. Any such action shall be deemed to be within the scope of the officer's employment. 7. To provide assistance to law enforcement officers, a federal law enforcement officer shall have the same authority as a law enforcement officer where: (1) The federal law enforcement officer is rendering assistance at the request of any law enforcement officer of this state; or (2) The federal law enforcement officer is effecting an arrest or providing assistance as part of a bona fide task force or joint investigation in which law enforcement officers of this state are participating. 8. A federal law enforcement officer is a person employed by the United States government who is empowered to effect an arrest with or without a warrant for violation of the United States Code and who is authorized to carry a firearm in the performance of the person's official duties as a federal law enforcement officer and includes a law enforcement officer as defined in section 556.061. |
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Other federal agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, USMS, FPS, and DHS/ICE already have these powers. It essentially recognizes them as peace officers as defined by the state. See Colorado Revised Statute 16-2.5-147. This simply gives the same recognition to the Secret Service since they had apparently been left out in the bill I cited above. So, it looks like that revised statute is from 2012. Why is it getting changed NOW, with everything going on in CO? Here's the text of the statute I cited. Read and decide for yourself. 16-2.5-147. Federal special agents (1) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, in any jurisdiction within the state of Colorado, is a peace officer whose authority is limited as provided in this section. The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is authorized to act in the following circumstances: (a) The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is: (I) Responding to a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor that has been committed in the presence of the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer; (II) Responding to an emergency situation in which the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer has probable cause to believe that a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor involving injury or threat of injury to a person or property has been, or is being, committed and immediate action is required to prevent escape, serious bodily injury, or destruction of property; (III) Rendering assistance at the request of a Colorado peace officer; or (IV) Effecting an arrest or providing assistance as part of a bona fide task force or joint investigation with Colorado peace officers; and (b) The agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer acts in accordance with the rules and regulations of his or her employing agency. (2) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement is a person who is employed by the United States government, assigned to the federal bureau of investigation, the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, the United States marshal service, or the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, empowered to effect an arrest with or without a warrant for violations of the United States code, and authorized to carry a firearm and use deadly force in the performance of the special agent's, deputy's or special deputy's, or officer's official duties as a federal law enforcement officer. (3) Upon effecting an arrest under the authority of this section, a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement shall immediately surrender custody of the arrested individual to a Colorado peace officer. (4) This section does not impose liability on or require indemnification or create a waiver of sovereign immunity by the state of Colorado for any action performed under this section by a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement. (5) Nothing in this section shall be construed to expand the authority of federal law enforcement officers to initiate or conduct an independent investigation into violations of Colorado law. HISTORY: Source:. L. 2006: Entire section added, p. 126, § 1, effective March 27.L. 2008: Entire section amended, p. 701, § 1, effective August 5.L. 2011: Entire section amended, (HB 11-1073), ch. 32, p. 90, § 1, effective August 10. I will agree that the bill being discussed mimics this damn near verbatim. However, my question stands. Why, with all the emotions, with the Sheriffs standing up they way they are, with recalls starting, WHY would you ratchet it up MORE by doing a bill like this now? |
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Other federal agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, USMS, FPS, and DHS/ICE already have these powers. It essentially recognizes them as peace officers as defined by the state. See Colorado Revised Statute 16-2.5-147. This simply gives the same recognition to the Secret Service since they had apparently been left out in the bill I cited above. So, it looks like that revised statute is from 2012. Why is it getting changed NOW, with everything going on in CO? Here's the text of the statute I cited. Read and decide for yourself. 16-2.5-147. Federal special agents (1) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, in any jurisdiction within the state of Colorado, is a peace officer whose authority is limited as provided in this section. The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is authorized to act in the following circumstances: (a) The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is: (I) Responding to a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor that has been committed in the presence of the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer; (II) Responding to an emergency situation in which the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer has probable cause to believe that a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor involving injury or threat of injury to a person or property has been, or is being, committed and immediate action is required to prevent escape, serious bodily injury, or destruction of property; (III) Rendering assistance at the request of a Colorado peace officer; or (IV) Effecting an arrest or providing assistance as part of a bona fide task force or joint investigation with Colorado peace officers; and (b) The agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer acts in accordance with the rules and regulations of his or her employing agency. (2) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement is a person who is employed by the United States government, assigned to the federal bureau of investigation, the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, the United States marshal service, or the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, empowered to effect an arrest with or without a warrant for violations of the United States code, and authorized to carry a firearm and use deadly force in the performance of the special agent's, deputy's or special deputy's, or officer's official duties as a federal law enforcement officer. (3) Upon effecting an arrest under the authority of this section, a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement shall immediately surrender custody of the arrested individual to a Colorado peace officer. (4) This section does not impose liability on or require indemnification or create a waiver of sovereign immunity by the state of Colorado for any action performed under this section by a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement. (5) Nothing in this section shall be construed to expand the authority of federal law enforcement officers to initiate or conduct an independent investigation into violations of Colorado law. HISTORY: Source:. L. 2006: Entire section added, p. 126, § 1, effective March 27.L. 2008: Entire section amended, p. 701, § 1, effective August 5.L. 2011: Entire section amended, (HB 11-1073), ch. 32, p. 90, § 1, effective August 10. I will agree that the bill being discussed mimics this damn near verbatim. However, my question stands. Why, with all the emotions, with the Sheriffs standing up they way they are, with recalls starting, WHY would you ratchet it up MORE by doing a bill like this now? What the proposed change does, has absolutely no effect on a Sheriff. it allows Special Agents the ability to use CO laws in their investigations. this is a good thing. |
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Thought they already were Fed LEOs under Treasury Dept
I think some people in here are lumping all USSS agents in with the protective details. |
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Thought they already were Fed LEOs under Treasury Dept Federal LEOs don't have the power to enforce state law. |
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Not as sky falling crazy as GD would think..
Gives SS the ability to make there own arrests vs having to call in local PD or US Marshall's office to arrest someone for passing counterfeit currency ect.. The protection side of the USSS is like 5-10% of the whole deal.. Most are on the money side |
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Thought they already were Fed LEOs under Treasury Dept Federal LEOs don't have the power to enforce state law. Didnt know that. Thanks. |
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Just run all the hookers out of CO, the SS will never show up.
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Other federal agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, USMS, FPS, and DHS/ICE already have these powers. It essentially recognizes them as peace officers as defined by the state. See Colorado Revised Statute 16-2.5-147. This simply gives the same recognition to the Secret Service since they had apparently been left out in the bill I cited above. This. I would be more interested to see what type of arrest powers they have. Here in Texas, they can only arrest/act as LEO's when it comes to felonies. |
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"In Texas, a Democrat in the state legislature has proposed a bill that would allow the state to remove an elected sheriff for refusing to enforce the law. The bill defines law as including any rule, regulation, executive order, court order, statute or constitutional provision"
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/03/state-grants-secret-service-vast-new-powers/#q1b1fO5l2ZVU798L.99 And you thought it was just us! All it takes is one dumbass to get it started! |
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Other federal agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, USMS, FPS, and DHS/ICE already have these powers. It essentially recognizes them as peace officers as defined by the state. See Colorado Revised Statute 16-2.5-147. This simply gives the same recognition to the Secret Service since they had apparently been left out in the bill I cited above. So, it looks like that revised statute is from 2012. Why is it getting changed NOW, with everything going on in CO? Here's the text of the statute I cited. Read and decide for yourself. 16-2.5-147. Federal special agents (1) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, in any jurisdiction within the state of Colorado, is a peace officer whose authority is limited as provided in this section. The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is authorized to act in the following circumstances: (a) The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is: (I) Responding to a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor that has been committed in the presence of the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer; (II) Responding to an emergency situation in which the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer has probable cause to believe that a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor involving injury or threat of injury to a person or property has been, or is being, committed and immediate action is required to prevent escape, serious bodily injury, or destruction of property; (III) Rendering assistance at the request of a Colorado peace officer; or (IV) Effecting an arrest or providing assistance as part of a bona fide task force or joint investigation with Colorado peace officers; and (b) The agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer acts in accordance with the rules and regulations of his or her employing agency. (2) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement is a person who is employed by the United States government, assigned to the federal bureau of investigation, the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, the United States marshal service, or the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, empowered to effect an arrest with or without a warrant for violations of the United States code, and authorized to carry a firearm and use deadly force in the performance of the special agent's, deputy's or special deputy's, or officer's official duties as a federal law enforcement officer. (3) Upon effecting an arrest under the authority of this section, a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement shall immediately surrender custody of the arrested individual to a Colorado peace officer. (4) This section does not impose liability on or require indemnification or create a waiver of sovereign immunity by the state of Colorado for any action performed under this section by a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement. (5) Nothing in this section shall be construed to expand the authority of federal law enforcement officers to initiate or conduct an independent investigation into violations of Colorado law. HISTORY: Source:. L. 2006: Entire section added, p. 126, § 1, effective March 27.L. 2008: Entire section amended, p. 701, § 1, effective August 5.L. 2011: Entire section amended, (HB 11-1073), ch. 32, p. 90, § 1, effective August 10. I will agree that the bill being discussed mimics this damn near verbatim. However, my question stands. Why, with all the emotions, with the Sheriffs standing up they way they are, with recalls starting, WHY would you ratchet it up MORE by doing a bill like this now? What the proposed change does, has absolutely no effect on a Sheriff. it allows Special Agents the ability to use CO laws in their investigations. this is a good thing. Doesn't answer my question. Why with all the tensions running so high would you even give the APPEARANCE of grating additional power to the fedgov right now? Since this is an amendment to a law passed in 2012, why can't this wait until there is no more angst? |
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Other federal agencies, such as the FBI, ATF, USMS, FPS, and DHS/ICE already have these powers. It essentially recognizes them as peace officers as defined by the state. See Colorado Revised Statute 16-2.5-147. This simply gives the same recognition to the Secret Service since they had apparently been left out in the bill I cited above. So, it looks like that revised statute is from 2012. Why is it getting changed NOW, with everything going on in CO? Here's the text of the statute I cited. Read and decide for yourself. 16-2.5-147. Federal special agents (1) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, in any jurisdiction within the state of Colorado, is a peace officer whose authority is limited as provided in this section. The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is authorized to act in the following circumstances: (a) The special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer is: (I) Responding to a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor that has been committed in the presence of the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer; (II) Responding to an emergency situation in which the special agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer has probable cause to believe that a nonfederal felony or misdemeanor involving injury or threat of injury to a person or property has been, or is being, committed and immediate action is required to prevent escape, serious bodily injury, or destruction of property; (III) Rendering assistance at the request of a Colorado peace officer; or (IV) Effecting an arrest or providing assistance as part of a bona fide task force or joint investigation with Colorado peace officers; and (b) The agent, deputy or special deputy, or officer acts in accordance with the rules and regulations of his or her employing agency. (2) A special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement is a person who is employed by the United States government, assigned to the federal bureau of investigation, the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, the United States marshal service, or the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement, empowered to effect an arrest with or without a warrant for violations of the United States code, and authorized to carry a firearm and use deadly force in the performance of the special agent's, deputy's or special deputy's, or officer's official duties as a federal law enforcement officer. (3) Upon effecting an arrest under the authority of this section, a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement shall immediately surrender custody of the arrested individual to a Colorado peace officer. (4) This section does not impose liability on or require indemnification or create a waiver of sovereign immunity by the state of Colorado for any action performed under this section by a special agent of the federal bureau of investigation or the United States bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives, a deputy or special deputy United States marshal, or an officer of the federal protective service of the United States department of homeland security immigration and customs enforcement. (5) Nothing in this section shall be construed to expand the authority of federal law enforcement officers to initiate or conduct an independent investigation into violations of Colorado law. HISTORY: Source:. L. 2006: Entire section added, p. 126, § 1, effective March 27.L. 2008: Entire section amended, p. 701, § 1, effective August 5.L. 2011: Entire section amended, (HB 11-1073), ch. 32, p. 90, § 1, effective August 10. Where's the tiny print about getting trashed and starting fights in MA or getting trashed and stiffing hookers n South America? |
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Dupe. State grants Secret Service new powers-will be able to enforce Obama gun laws without sheriffs' help I searched for the bill number and nothing came up. |
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