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What in the FUCK is going on with our special forces community?! I have been very hesitant to jump on any conspiracy theory bandwagon but this shit is just not adding up and cannot be ignored any longer. There have been way too many "accidents" involving the death of elite members of our special forces over the last two years to call it a coincidence.

A Navy SEAL from the elite SEAL TEAM 6 was killed and another SEAL injured Thursday night during a parachute training accident in Marana, Arizona, the military said. Details of the accident are not immediately available.



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17520371-member-of-seal-team-6-killed-another-seal-injured-in-parachute-accident?lite
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Stupid shit like this is why gun owners look retarded. Thanks, OP.
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You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.
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Or it could be intense media coverage because they keep putting their business out there, and they are involved in high risk operations, training, and techniques?
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From what I understand injury and death due to training accidents is common in that community. They do a lot of very high risk stuff.
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Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


He isn't. He's wondering why so many have died lately and suggesting maybe there are ulterior motives...

As far as I know, they die often, and it's being publicized now.
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Stupid shit like this is why gun owners look retarded. Thanks, OP.


Really? Go ... love yourself tenderly. Are you paying attention?
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I think you're probably seeing a lot of Navy SEALs dying because they have an extremely dangerous job. That's just a guess though.
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Parachuting is not safe, especially in close proximity to others. This stuff happens to military and recreational jumpers relatively often.
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This


Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


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Originally Posted By Epic_Ed:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Stupid shit like this is why gun owners look retarded. Thanks, OP.


Really? Go fuck yourself. Are you paying attention?


Shouldn't you be posting Sandy Hook videos?

RIP SEAL Team 6 member.
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Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.




How in the hell would anyone conclude I'm questioning their commitment or ability from the comments I made? How about if you go back and read it again.


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Having worked closely with the SEALS during parachute training in Arizona, my heart goes out to them for their loss.
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I heard it was a canopy collision which if the case is hardly a conspiracy. Canopy traffic is generally one of the more dangerous aspects to skydiving.
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Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


He isn't. He's wondering why so many have died lately and suggesting maybe there are ulterior motives...

As far as I know, they die often, and it's being publicized now.

Ulterior motives? To me, that's a dishonor to the profession.

Sorry.
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Originally Posted By Epic_Ed:
What in the FUCK is going on with our special forces community?! I have been very hesitant to jump on any conspiracy theory bandwagon but this shit is just not adding up and cannot be ignored any longer. There have been way too many "accidents" involving the death of elite members of our special forces over the last two years to call it a coincidence.

A Navy SEAL from the elite SEAL TEAM 6 was killed and another SEAL injured Thursday night during a parachute training accident in Marana, Arizona, the military said. Details of the accident are not immediately available.



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17520371-member-of-seal-team-6-killed-another-seal-injured-in-parachute-accident?lite


IMO it's a pretty fucking dangerous job they do.

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Originally Posted By Epic_Ed:
What in the FUCK is going on with our special forces community?! I have been very hesitant to jump on any conspiracy theory bandwagon but this shit is just not adding up and cannot be ignored any longer. There have been way too many "accidents" involving the death of elite members of our special forces over the last two years to call it a coincidence.

A Navy SEAL from the elite SEAL TEAM 6 was killed and another SEAL injured Thursday night during a parachute training accident in Marana, Arizona, the military said. Details of the accident are not immediately available.



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17520371-member-of-seal-team-6-killed-another-seal-injured-in-parachute-accident?lite


It's really simple. They've been conducting about a 1000% increase in operations in the last 4 years. So yea, there's going to be an increase in accidents/fatalities as well. They're not supermen. They bleed just like the rest of us. Their prone to mistakes and accidents, just like the rest of us.

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Originally Posted By Epic_Ed:
Originally Posted By 62grtofreedom:
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Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.




How in the hell would anyone conclude I'm questioning their commitment or ability from the comments I made? How about if you go back and read it again.



So you're suggesting a conspiracy designed to kill off Navy Seals?

Put down the crack pipe, dude.
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Having worked closely with the SEALS during parachute training in Arizona, my heart goes out to them for their loss.

I know the place mentioned in the article, Marana Aerospace Solutions, I believe. I was filming a TV show last year at their airline "graveyard" when some parachutists started landing nearby. Was told by an employee that they were probably CIA. CSB.

Sorry to hear about the SEAL.

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It's a high-risk job. People die.

a friend who was an F-16 pilot told me that on the first day of pilot training, the cadets were told the % of them who would die in a military aircraft, based on compiled statistics. It turned out to be chillingly correct.

ETA: I don't see any disrespect in your post, or any basis to assume shady activity.
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Originally Posted By eracer:

Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


He isn't. He's wondering why so many have died lately and suggesting maybe there are ulterior motives...

As far as I know, they die often, and it's being publicized now.

Ulterior motives? To me, that's a dishonor to the profession.

Sorry.


It's a dishonor to the profession to suggest that the CIA, Barack Obama, or China is killing Seal Team 6 Members?
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Conspiracy?

It's a dangerous job, jumping out of planes.

RIP SEAL.
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Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Originally Posted By eracer:

Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


He isn't. He's wondering why so many have died lately and suggesting maybe there are ulterior motives...

As far as I know, they die often, and it's being publicized now.

Ulterior motives? To me, that's a dishonor to the profession.

Sorry.


It's a dishonor to the profession to suggest that the CIA, Barack Obama, or China is killing Seal Team 6 Members?


Of course not. eraser isn't using his head is all.

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Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


I don't think he's questioning their commitment or ability. I think he's insinuating there's a conspiracy against them.
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You mean guys who spend all their time, when they aren't in combat, swimming in the ocean, parachuting from ridiculous heights, shooting and riding around in helicopters tend to not have a great life expectancy sounds like a conspiracy
Prosecutor Kristyna S. Mills said her office prosecutes these types of cases “all the time”speaking of the prosecution of Sgt. Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, for possessing AR15 magazines
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Originally Posted By eracer:

Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


He isn't. He's wondering why so many have died lately and suggesting maybe there are ulterior motives...

As far as I know, they die often, and it's being publicized now.

Ulterior motives? To me, that's a dishonor to the profession.

Sorry.


What ulterior motives might I have for bringing up for discussion the frequency with which special forces members have been dying in the past two years? I don't work for Alex Jones. You might want to reference the prelude to my comment "I've been hesitant to jump on the conspiracy theory bandwagon". I haven't been throwing comments like this out there for every thing that pops up on the radar and I'm not drawing any conclusions. It is worth noticing and discussing.

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You mean guys who spend all their time, when they aren't in combat, swimming in the ocean, parachuting from ridiculous heights, shooting and riding around in helicopters tend to not have a great life expectancy sounds like a conspiracy

You're just not paying attention.

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You mean guys who spend all their time, when they aren't in combat, swimming in the ocean, parachuting from ridiculous heights, shooting and riding around in helicopters tend to not have a great life expectancy sounds like a conspiracy


What's the non-combat death rate for Seals?

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Originally Posted By Epic_Ed:
What in the FUCK is going on with our special forces community?! I have been very hesitant to jump on any conspiracy theory bandwagon but this shit is just not adding up and cannot be ignored any longer. There have been way too many "accidents" involving the death of elite members of our special forces over the last two years to call it a coincidence.

A Navy SEAL from the elite SEAL TEAM 6 was killed and another SEAL injured Thursday night during a parachute training accident in Marana, Arizona, the military said. Details of the accident are not immediately available.



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/29/17520371-member-of-seal-team-6-killed-another-seal-injured-in-parachute-accident?lite


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I sold my Hummer a few years back to a SEAL para instructor stationed at that place in AZ with over 10,000 jumps. When I said that's insane, he told me his commander had over 25,000 jumps
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Originally Posted By Epic_Ed:

There have been way too many "accidents" involving the death of elite members of our special forces over the last two years to call it a coincidence.



That's pretty epic, Ed.



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Originally Posted By GI-45:

Originally Posted By Aimless:
You mean guys who spend all their time, when they aren't in combat, swimming in the ocean, parachuting from ridiculous heights, shooting and riding around in helicopters tend to not have a great life expectancy sounds like a conspiracy

You're just not paying attention.

I know all these lawyers who have died of heart disease, now the Main Stream Media would have you believe it's because they are fatasses who get no exercise, eat junk and have a lot of stress, but really I think it's the Haliburton Heartbreaker Microwave gun

Prosecutor Kristyna S. Mills said her office prosecutes these types of cases “all the time”speaking of the prosecution of Sgt. Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, for possessing AR15 magazines
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I used to work at that airport/airpark in the 2002-2006 time frame and we would see jumpers all the time, we were told to ignore them lest we get greeted by a m4 or m-16. saw lots of jumpers miss the drop zone, but none killed while I was there.

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My attention was called to this accident by a post from two people on FB who are in a branch of SpecOps (retired). They aren't drawing conclusions, either, but if they're taking notice and making these kind of comments I think it's worth mentioning.
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They train hard, probably as hard as any group out there, and train in dangerous activities. These are the risks,
and as a jumper I don't see how you can find any "sinister motive" going on with this accident.

They fold their own chutes, and gear just doesn't fail like it used to with the old gear jumping rounds. If jumpers go in these days, it's because the jumper made a mistake, not the gear going bad, or someone trying to "do them in".

Plus trying to sabotage someone's jumping gear, it's pretty easy to spot anything that would actually do them harm after the fact, so it would be well know shortly after the accident. Alot easier ways to do something in then to try and induce a skydiving malfunction. Hell, make them jump enough and it will happen, the stats speak for themselves.


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Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
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You mean guys who spend all their time, when they aren't in combat, swimming in the ocean, parachuting from ridiculous heights, shooting and riding around in helicopters tend to not have a great life expectancy sounds like a conspiracy


What's the non-combat death rate for Seals?

I have no clue, I was surprised how high it was for regular troops just getting killed in stuff like vehicle accidents, getting run over, squashed etc.

A bunch of guys at Fort Drum got killed once because some other unit accidently fired on their mess tent with mortars

Prosecutor Kristyna S. Mills said her office prosecutes these types of cases “all the time”speaking of the prosecution of Sgt. Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, for possessing AR15 magazines
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You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


He isn't. He's wondering why so many have died lately and suggesting maybe there are ulterior motives...

As far as I know, they die often, and it's being publicized now.


Not that often. They train hard doing things above and beyond the norm, but their accident rate is running higher than the norm for the last year or so.
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My attention was called to this accident by a post from two people on FB who are in a branch of SpecOps (retired). They are drawing conclusions, either, but if they're taking notice and making these kind of comments I think it's worth mentioning.


Holy shit. Facebook! Why the hell didn't you say so!
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Originally Posted By Epic_Ed:

There have been way too many "accidents" involving the death of elite members of our special forces over the last two years to call it a coincidence.


Falling out of planes and realistic training is not always the safest thing in the world. Training accidents happen. Quit acting like a tinfoil clad special ed student.

and FWIW, Special Forces are the guys with the green wool hats.
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all the media coverage,10years ago you wouldnt have heard about it





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How would someone even conspire to cause a skydiving collision? Which is more likely, an accident happened and cost a man his life, or some sinister dealing convinced a man to intentionally slam into another of his brothers in an attempt to kill him in a suicide "mission"?

Ockham's razor people.
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Originally Posted By LuckyDucky:
Originally Posted By eracer:


You're talking about real men who live on the edge of life every day, perfecting the skills that keep us free. Like astronauts, they know that every mission, every exercise, could be their last.

Don't dishonor them by questioning their commitment or their ability.


He isn't. He's wondering why so many have died lately and suggesting maybe there are ulterior motives...

As far as I know, they die often, and it's being publicized now.


Not that often. They train hard doing things above and beyond the norm, but their accident rate is running higher than the norm for the last year or so.


Hence the suspicion...
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Conspiracy?

It's a dangerous job, jumping out of planes.

RIP SEAL.


You wanna know whats even more dangerous? Diving. They do that shit all the time too.
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Originally Posted By jDrexler:
How would someone even conspire to cause a skydiving collision? Which is more likely, an accident happened and cost a man his life, or some sinister dealing convinced a man to intentionally slam into another of his brothers in an attempt to kill him in a suicide "mission"?

Occam's razor people.


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Originally Posted By Epic_Ed:
My attention was called to this accident by a post from two people on FB who are in a branch of SpecOps (retired). They are drawing conclusions, either, but if they're taking notice and making these kind of comments I think it's worth mentioning.


Holy shit. Facebook! Why the hell didn't you say so!


Yeah, I knew that would go over well. Here's the guys profile pic. I'll vouch for him.

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