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Link Posted: 3/22/2013 9:05:16 PM EST
They are waiting to get SB-47 passed. Once everyone has to register their guns, this topic will come back.. Why get 166k now, when you can get many more later?

"This bill would require that any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2013, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined, and including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, register the firearm before July 1, 2014, with the Department of Justice. This bill would permit the department to increase the $20 registration fee as long as it does not exceed the reasonable processing costs of the department. This bill would also require registrations to be submitted electronically via the Internet utilizing a public-facing application made available by the department. This bill would require the registration to contain specified information, including, but not limited to, a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely and specified information about the registrant. This bill would permit the department to charge a fee of up to $15 per person for registration through the Internet, not to exceed the reasonable processing costs of the department to be paid and deposited, as specified. This bill would require the department to establish procedures for the purpose of carrying out those provisions and would exempt them from the Administrative Procedure Act. This bill would also make technical and conforming changes."

Eric
Link Posted: 3/22/2013 9:38:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By Ridgeline:
166K in the entire state? Hell, we only have 24K people in this county and I would bet a years pay we have more than that.

Sounds like the state has effectively been disarmed anyway. Is this number real?


I guarantee you there's more than that.

Uhhh There's more people unemployed than what they're telling you.

More illegal aliens....

California supposedly has 38 million people......

Get the picture.

Link Posted: 3/22/2013 9:45:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By EasternSnap:
Originally Posted By Derwood18:

Originally Posted By FP2000H:
These people should consider themselves fortunate they are removed from office through the ballot box. They are blatantly passing de facto unconstitutional laws. I wonder if they fully understand the war they are trying to start?

Sure they do. That's why the police are allowed to mag-dump innocent's cars without even having to explain in court.

http://i48.tinypic.com/b3phqh.jpg

The war has already started, most just don't realize it yet.


I don't think many people want to wake up to the reality of what is going on.


If the "powers that be" keep this up, I fear it is they who will have the rude awakening.
Link Posted: 3/22/2013 9:52:54 PM EST
If you EVER have to decide to comply, the best answer given to the question of reason why, is "ALL LAWFUL REASONS"

(NFA)
Link Posted: 3/22/2013 9:56:47 PM EST
HCI wish list of laws………..

http://www.skepticfiles.org/conspire/hcidoc.htm

Aloha, Mark

Link Posted: 3/22/2013 10:03:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By California_Kid:

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By Ridgeline:
166K in the entire state? Hell, we only have 24K people in this county and I would bet a years pay we have more than that.

Sounds like the state has effectively been disarmed anyway. Is this number real?
That's the number of registered assault weapons, and it's accurate.

There was (and continues to be) MASSIVE non-compliance. You have no idea.


It's worse than that. A police official from my area was hired by the DoJ to audit the registry shortly after the deadline closed. He told me that a significant percentage of the items that ARE registered aren't required to be. For example, one guy registered two Colt Python revolvers as AWs. Because the registration form had room for five items, some people made up stuff that doesn't exist just so the form would be completely filled out.

The real compliance rate is very, very low, and there really isn't anything the .gov can do about it.


Why would you do that though? Just makes it harder to legally transport the weapons. And impossible to sell/give to family. Why do that for a revolver or pump shotgun ect.?
Link Posted: 3/22/2013 10:07:28 PM EST
CA spilled the beans.
Link Posted: 3/22/2013 10:30:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/22/2013 10:31:32 PM EST by PatriotAr15]

Originally Posted By Subnet:

Originally Posted By Ridgeline:
166K in the entire state? Hell, we only have 24K people in this county and I would bet a years pay we have more than that.

Sounds like the state has effectively been disarmed anyway. Is this number real?
That's the number of registered assault weapons, and it's accurate.

There was (and continues to be) MASSIVE non-compliance. You have no idea.





ETA: I love that meme... been getting a lot of mileage out of it.
Link Posted: 3/23/2013 6:32:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Eric_Mayer:
They are waiting to get SB-47 passed. Once everyone has to register their guns, this topic will come back.. Why get 166k now, when you can get many more later?

"This bill would require that any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2013, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined, and including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, register the firearm before July 1, 2014, with the Department of Justice. This bill would permit the department to increase the $20 registration fee as long as it does not exceed the reasonable processing costs of the department. This bill would also require registrations to be submitted electronically via the Internet utilizing a public-facing application made available by the department. This bill would require the registration to contain specified information,including, but not limited to, a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely and specified information about the registrant. This bill would permit the department to charge a fee of up to $15 per person for registration through the Internet, not to exceed the reasonable processing costs of the department to be paid and deposited, as specified. This bill would require the department to establish procedures for the purpose of carrying out those provisions and would exempt them from the Administrative Procedure Act. This bill would also make technical and conforming changes."

Eric


It has changed again.

Ongoing thread on Calguns. SB47 will force everyone who owns a semi automatic firearm register it within a 6 month window. After that, possession of an unregistered firearm will be a felony. Registered firearms will be declared a "public nuisance" and allow for confiscation as found.
So basically registration will only exempt you from criminal punishment. Any registered semi automatic firearm found is still subject to confiscation. At least that is what I am taking from their analysis of the bill.

Well, at least I have a "get the heck out of California" date. This becomes law and I am across state lines for good by 7-1-14.
Link Posted: 3/23/2013 9:30:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
Originally Posted By Eric_Mayer:
They are waiting to get SB-47 passed. Once everyone has to register their guns, this topic will come back.. Why get 166k now, when you can get many more later?

"This bill would require that any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2013, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined, and including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, register the firearm before July 1, 2014, with the Department of Justice. This bill would permit the department to increase the $20 registration fee as long as it does not exceed the reasonable processing costs of the department. This bill would also require registrations to be submitted electronically via the Internet utilizing a public-facing application made available by the department. This bill would require the registration to contain specified information,including, but not limited to, a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely and specified information about the registrant. This bill would permit the department to charge a fee of up to $15 per person for registration through the Internet, not to exceed the reasonable processing costs of the department to be paid and deposited, as specified. This bill would require the department to establish procedures for the purpose of carrying out those provisions and would exempt them from the Administrative Procedure Act. This bill would also make technical and conforming changes."

Eric


It has changed again.

Ongoing thread on Calguns. SB47 will force everyone who owns a semi automatic firearm register it within a 6 month window. After that, possession of an unregistered firearm will be a felony. Registered firearms will be declared a "public nuisance" and allow for confiscation as found.
So basically registration will only exempt you from criminal punishment. Any registered semi automatic firearm found is still subject to confiscation. At least that is what I am taking from their analysis of the bill.

Well, at least I have a "get the heck out of California" date. This becomes law and I am across state lines for good by 7-1-14.


Link Posted: 3/23/2013 11:56:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
Originally Posted By Eric_Mayer:
They are waiting to get SB-47 passed. Once everyone has to register their guns, this topic will come back.. Why get 166k now, when you can get many more later?

"This bill would require that any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2013, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined, and including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from the firearm with the use of a tool, register the firearm before July 1, 2014, with the Department of Justice. This bill would permit the department to increase the $20 registration fee as long as it does not exceed the reasonable processing costs of the department. This bill would also require registrations to be submitted electronically via the Internet utilizing a public-facing application made available by the department. This bill would require the registration to contain specified information,including, but not limited to, a description of the firearm that identifies it uniquely and specified information about the registrant. This bill would permit the department to charge a fee of up to $15 per person for registration through the Internet, not to exceed the reasonable processing costs of the department to be paid and deposited, as specified. This bill would require the department to establish procedures for the purpose of carrying out those provisions and would exempt them from the Administrative Procedure Act. This bill would also make technical and conforming changes."

Eric


It has changed again.

Ongoing thread on Calguns. SB47 will force everyone who owns a semi automatic firearm register it within a 6 month window. After that, possession of an unregistered firearm will be a felony. Registered firearms will be declared a "public nuisance" and allow for confiscation as found.
So basically registration will only exempt you from criminal punishment. Any registered semi automatic firearm found is still subject to confiscation. At least that is what I am taking from their analysis of the bill.

Well, at least I have a "get the heck out of California" date. This becomes law and I am across state lines for good by 7-1-14.
The end game is still the same, which is eventual confiscation of all registered weapons.

Eric

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