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Posted: 2/18/2013 12:57:14 PM EDT
To those members of the forum who've questioned the authenticity of the original email I posted, it is 100% legitimate.

It's pretty hilarious that so many doubters base their skepticism SOLELY on my post count.

I'm simply a NYer who's had enough of this bullshit and thought other gun owners would find ArmaLite's position on 2nd Amendment protections less than inspiring.

No axe to grind, I'm not a competitor, former employee or have a DAMN thing to do with the firearms industry.

I like to do business with companies that respect my rights, and wanted others to know what ArmaLite has said in response to helping NYers.



Here's a reply from ArmaLite's Top Dog Mark Westrom, and far from a strong showing of support like LaRue and other makers with courage have demonstrated.



http://www.facebook.com/pages/Armalite/64911537585


Thanks for posting this email. I just received a concerned telephone call about it, an email from the staffer who stimulated the mail.



I think a bit of clarification is in order.



The root of the matter is a HUGE series of inquiries by both email and telephone asking ArmaLite to cut off sales to New York and other states which deny its citizens the right to own our rifles, as several other firms have done. Some of the contacts have been duplicates of others and some were so redundant that they appeared to be spam. Many of them have been rude and I'm afraid one of my staffers thought that he was responding to a spammer and was more terse than he should have been. Once he realized what happened he came to me and apologized.



My purpose here is to pass on his apology from the corporate level and to answer the initial question: What is ArmaLite going to do?



ArmaLite is continuing a policy put into place when California first banned our rifles. That policy remains:



1. We will not sell to those states which deny it's honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's.



2. We do not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. I am a former Police Officer myself, and the staffer who stimulated the recent anger is a currently serving one. We are well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving Police Officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn't be punished for the actions of their political elite.



We consider sales to those sate subdivisions which are not engaged or potentially engaged with disarming its citizens. DNR and Forestry Departments, for instance, sometimes serve in remote areas that conceal drug farms and their officers deserve good hardware.



3. We will not sell to those lower political subdivisions that deny their honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's. Chicago, for instance, prohibits its citizens from owning ArmaLite's within the city limits so we make no effort to sell into that city. We have many friends on the Chicago Police Department and have continued to sell to them individually.



Our observation is that most County Sheriffs disagree with banning sales of our rifles and many publicly refuse to enforce such laws. We sell to those departments and to their Deputies, but will not sell to those County departments headed by Sheriffs who would deny their citizens the same rights.



In short, Americans need not worry that ArmaLite is selling to those who betray them.



As you can see by reading posts on the topic, some readers have been harsh with their criticism of ArmaLite. It was in response to this atmosphere that my staffer reacted harshly. He's come to me and apologized and I personally am passing my own apology along with his.



But don't be mistaken, ArmaLite is strongly involved with both personal, corporate, and political efforts at the State, National, and International level to protect our civil rights. And we'll continue to support your shooting needs as the situation moves forward.



Respectfully,



Mark Westrom

President,

ArmaLite Inc.
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 12:58:09 PM EDT
There are like three threads on it.
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:33:21 PM EDT
My thread was locked, that's why I posted this.

Why it remains locked, when everything I posted is completely legitimate, is a question I can't answer.

Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:34:42 PM EDT

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.

Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:35:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.



Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:36:11 PM EDT
Good on you OP for speaking up
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:36:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By caduckgunner:

Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.





Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:38:30 PM EDT
Well, I for one will no longer be recommending Armalite to my customers.

Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:40:42 PM EDT
why was it locked?
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:41:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.



Why did the other thread get locked?
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:41:59 PM EDT
Did I make it?
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:45:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GuyMontag:
My thread was locked, that's why I posted this.

Why it remains locked, when everything I posted is completely legitimate, is a question I can't answer.



Dupe posts get locked. OP your first post was a dupe as an open thread already existed in the Armalite Industry Forum. The mods pointed people to the Post in the Armalite Industry forum, when they locked your thread, thus basically designating it the official post.

This post too will most likely be locked.

Helpful link:
Industry Armalite Forum

(Also, IBTL)
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:47:58 PM EDT
Just copied this from a secret site staff location...

Attention...Alert....All hands on deck!!!!!!

Get to GD right now and defend Armalite at all costs. This is a level one emergency and all of site staff is being ordered into defensive positions. Someone go wake up Aimless, his nap should have been over two hours ago anyway. Get DK_Prof out of the faculty lounge, VA-Gunnut is up to his eyeballs in GD douchebaggery and TBK is about to tear the head off another kitten.

On another note....Please help us all remind Paul that hotpockets do not need to be microwaved for 4 minutes. It makes them hard to get off the paper plate and you have to wait too long to eat them.

XXXOOO

Your anonymous arfcom site staff director


Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:48:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:48:59 PM EDT
IBTL
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:49:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2013 1:50:05 PM EDT by HKHamartia]
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.



Why did the other thread get locked?
I think the OP asked for it to be locked?



nah, that was tbk killing his own thread.


methinks it was not going as planned.
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:50:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.



Why did the other thread get locked?
I think the OP asked for it to be locked?



That was beekeepers thread wasn't it?
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:50:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GuyMontag:
My thread was locked, that's why I posted this.

Why it remains locked, when everything I posted is completely legitimate, is a question I can't answer.


Staff has taken a side.

(It isn't yours..)

IBTL
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:50:29 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:50:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:50:53 PM EDT
IBTL and OP is familiar
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:51:09 PM EDT
If the average citizen can't buy them then LEO's shouldn't be able to either regardless of whether it is for duty use or not.

Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:51:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.



Why did the other thread get locked?
I think the OP asked for it to be locked?



Kinda sucks, it was actually not getting out of hand, people were sticking to their guns trying to persuade people. And since it got locked the calls of "site staff support of armalite due to their being a sponsor" will get louder
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:51:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HKHamartia:
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.



Why did the other thread get locked?
I think the OP asked for it to be locked?



nah, that was tbk killing his own thread.


methinks it was not going as planned.

Shocking!
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:52:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Just copied this from a secret site staff location...

Attention...Alert....All hands on deck!!!!!!

Get to GD right now and defend Armalite at all costs. This is a level one emergency and all of site staff is being ordered into defensive positions. Someone go wake up Aimless, his nap should have been over two hours ago anyway. Get DK_Prof out of the faculty lounge, VA-Gunnut is up to his eyeballs in GD douchebaggery and TBK is about to tear the head off another kitten.

On another note....Please help us all remind Paul that hotpockets do not need to be microwaved for 4 minutes. It makes them hard to get off the paper plate and you have to wait too long to eat them.

XXXOOO

Your anonymous arfcom site staff director






And fuck armalite and their "common folk" views.
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:52:15 PM EDT
is ArmaLite the new "tonk"?
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:52:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:52:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Falcon09:
If the average citizen can't buy them then LEO's shouldn't be able to either regardless of whether it is for duty use or not.



that

to hell with armalite, too many better companies to choose from
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:53:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.



Why did the other thread get locked?
I think the OP asked for it to be locked?



Striker killed it with this lock statement:

"there are currently 2 threads regarding this in the Armalite forum. (OMG..they haven't been deleted? )
For anyone interested in hearing the other side of the story...I'm sure they will be posted there. For those that are posting in this thread for no other reason then to stir the pot. this thread is done. "

Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:53:14 PM EDT
Why are these threads getting locked?
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:53:29 PM EDT
IBTL

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:53:31 PM EDT


On the other hand, I have it from reliable sources that ArmaLite will not be using Lon Horiuchi as their new spokesperson.


Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:53:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2013 1:54:53 PM EDT by Saladman]
Originally Posted By Mech2007:

IBTLA

In Before The Lock Again.



Well at least this thread is staying open... for now.
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:54:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:54:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TexRdnec:
Originally Posted By Falcon09:
If the average citizen can't buy them then LEO's shouldn't be able to either regardless of whether it is for duty use or not.



that

to hell with armalite, too many better companies to choose from

LaRue FTMFW!
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:54:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:55:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:55:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
IBTL and OP is familiar

Yep, the mods and staff are gonna rain hell down on him FED style. He will be found familiar and penguin and goose porn will be found on his computer and we will never see him again.
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:55:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:55:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2013 1:56:00 PM EDT by Diesel_Maximus_2992]

Originally Posted By GuyMontag:
To those members of the forum who've questioned the authenticity of the original email I posted, it is 100% legitimate.

It's pretty hilarious that so many doubters base their skepticism SOLELY on my post count.

I'm simply a NYer who's had enough of this bullshit and thought other gun owners would find ArmaLite's position on 2nd Amendment protections less than inspiring.

No axe to grind, I'm not a competitor, former employee or have a DAMN thing to do with the firearms industry.

I like to do business with companies that respect my rights, and wanted others to know what ArmaLite has said in response to helping NYers.



Here's a reply from ArmaLite's Top Dog Mark Westrom, and far from a strong showing of support like LaRue and other makers with courage have demonstrated.



http://www.facebook.com/pages/Armalite/64911537585


Thanks for posting this email. I just received a concerned telephone call about it, an email from the staffer who stimulated the mail.



I think a bit of clarification is in order.



The root of the matter is a HUGE series of inquiries by both email and telephone asking ArmaLite to cut off sales to New York and other states which deny its citizens the right to own our rifles, as several other firms have done. Some of the contacts have been duplicates of others and some were so redundant that they appeared to be spam. Many of them have been rude and I'm afraid one of my staffers thought that he was responding to a spammer and was more terse than he should have been. Once he realized what happened he came to me and apologized.



My purpose here is to pass on his apology from the corporate level and to answer the initial question: What is ArmaLite going to do?



ArmaLite is continuing a policy put into place when California first banned our rifles. That policy remains:



1. We will not sell to those states which deny it's honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's.



2. We do not halt sales to individual officers even in problematic states. I am a former Police Officer myself, and the staffer who stimulated the recent anger is a currently serving one. We are well familiar with the fact that most rifles serving Police Officers are purchased by the officers themselves, and that they shouldn't be punished for the actions of their political elite.

POLICE are above the law and should be given every opportunity to oppress our constitutional rights.


We consider sales to those sate subdivisions which are not engaged or potentially engaged with disarming its citizens. DNR and Forestry Departments, for instance, sometimes serve in remote areas that conceal drug farms and their officers deserve good hardware.



3. We will not sell to those lower political subdivisions that deny their honorable citizens the right to own ArmaLite's. Chicago, for instance, prohibits its citizens from owning ArmaLite's within the city limits so we make no effort to sell into that city. We have many friends on the Chicago Police Department and have continued to sell to them individually.



Our observation is that most County Sheriffs disagree with banning sales of our rifles and many publicly refuse to enforce such laws. We sell to those departments and to their Deputies, but will not sell to those County departments headed by Sheriffs who would deny their citizens the same rights.



In short, Americans need not worry that ArmaLite is selling to those who betray them.



As you can see by reading posts on the topic, some readers have been harsh with their criticism of ArmaLite. It was in response to this atmosphere that my staffer reacted harshly. He's come to me and apologized and I personally am passing my own apology along with his.



But don't be mistaken, ArmaLite is strongly involved with both personal, corporate, and political efforts at the State, National, and International level to protect our civil rights. And we'll continue to support your shooting needs as the situation moves forward.



Respectfully,



Mark Westrom

President,

ArmaLite Inc.
fixed.

Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:55:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By HKHamartia:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By The_Reaper:
Originally Posted By Mech2007:
IBTLA
In Before The Lock Again.

Why did the other thread get locked?

I think the OP asked for it to be locked?

nah, that was tbk killing his own thread.
methinks it was not going as planned.

^^^ this.

he should have put a cork on the end of his fork.

ar-jedi


Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:56:41 PM EDT
Apparently, 2 or 3 of site staff don't want to see Armless get their feelings hurt, ie; site sponsor.
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:57:05 PM EDT
In before the inevitable lock.

And I still will never give ArmaLite a cent of my money
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:57:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Skip237:
Why are these threads getting locked?


Industry Partner.

Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:57:49 PM EDT
The Gatun Locks



Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:58:39 PM EDT
Which thread are we allowed to post in without it getting locked
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:58:49 PM EDT
No to Armalite. Yes to Oly, York, LaRue . . .
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:59:14 PM EDT
Sorry OP, my judgement was flawed.

I don't want to spend the rest of my life
Looking at the barrel of an Armalite
I don't want to spend the rest of my days
Keeping out of trouble like the soldiers say
I don't want to spend my time in hell
Looking at the walls of a prison cell
I don't ever want to play the part
Of a statistic on a goverment chart


Link Posted: 2/18/2013 1:59:40 PM EDT
You're either with us or against us.
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 2:00:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2013 2:00:48 PM EDT
When LEOs in ban states come for your black rifles, they can always rely on Armalite rifles to get the job done.
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