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Did Jane Fonda provide aid and comfort to the enemy by posing for propaganda pictures?

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? Mudslinging I just want to know why he didn't go to Vietnam if his number came up.

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Surprize Democrats who walked the walk

DEMOCRATIC LEADERS who "walked the walk" :
        While most Democrats don't just say that war should be the last resort but truly believe it and try to resolve conflicts through more peaceful means, when just wars have been necessary and unavoidable, they have a long established record of putting their own lives and those of their own children on the line, rather than persuading other people to sacrifice themselves and their children: Sen. & Presidential Candidate McGovern, one of the elite few Air Force bomber pilots to fly the maximum 35 successful bombing missions in WW II. Stephen Ambrose, who wrote a book about him, called him "one of the greatest patriots I know."
Jack Valenti ( President L.B. Johnson's special personal assistant) flew 51 combat missions as the pilot-commander of a B-25 attack bomber and received four decorations.
The famous liberal Democrat Norman Lear (of Archie Bunker fame) also flew 52 bombing missions, during that war, 37 of them over Nazi Germany.
Former Vice President Al Gore – enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an air base twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
Sen. John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
Gov. & President Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53.
Gov. & presidential candidate, Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57.
Sen. John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters.
During World War II, Sen, & VP Hubert Humphrey tried twice to join the armed forces, but was rejected both times due to a hernia.
Gov. & U.S. Sen. Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam.
Sen. Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two.
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) – U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) – U.S. Marine served in combat in Vietnam 1968-69, and was awarded the Navy Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star with combat V, and Purple Heart.
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) – Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) – U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC) – served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle, 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Sen. Bob Kerrey, Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Sen. Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Sen. Howell Heflin: .USMC WWII, Silver Star, Purple Heart (x2)
Rep. Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader – Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71..
Rep. David Bonior – Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72.
Rep. Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Rangel served with distinction at the front in Korea. "where he received both a Purple Heart for being injured and a Bronze Star for bravery. The wounded Rangel led 40 of his comrades for three days behind enemy lines rather than surrender." [http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-b-rangel]
Rep. Jack Murtha (D-PA) – distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) – Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Rep. Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57.
Rep. Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Rep. Jim McDermott: Navy.
Rep. Joe Stupak, served Navy 1974-2005,vice-Admiral
Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor – volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V."
Gen. Wesley
Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate – lengthy military career.

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I don't believe that is the case as you are posted a open ended inflammatory question  to an allegation that was made in the Miami Herald that by the way is still not a substantiated fact (other than being more leftist driven mudslinging bullshit) on what is probably the most hardcore gun board in the world while attacking the credibility of a high ranking member of the most powerful 2nd amendment lobbyist organization in the US

Not oddly enough you then post about coming from a multi generational military family who has done service while coming from you needing to know if Wayne Lapeirre did not serve in Nam due to a medical reason (see 1st sentence)while tossing in the token cover your tracks rhetoric with I am a NRA member etc to soft pad your approach.

Yes, you have 1st amendment rights as well but if this dribble is not a motive for slander I don't know what is. And again the timing of your question given the current political climate regarding firearm ownership speaks volumes of hidden intentions troll

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Surprize Democrats who walked the walk

DEMOCRATIC LEADERS who "walked the walk" :
        While most Democrats don't just say that war should be the last resort but truly believe it and try to resolve conflicts through more peaceful means, when just wars have been necessary and unavoidable, they have a long established record of putting their own lives and those of their own children on the line, rather than persuading other people to sacrifice themselves and their children: Sen. & Presidential Candidate McGovern, one of the elite few Air Force bomber pilots to fly the maximum 35 successful bombing missions in WW II. Stephen Ambrose, who wrote a book about him, called him "one of the greatest patriots I know."
Jack Valenti ( President L.B. Johnson's special personal assistant) flew 51 combat missions as the pilot-commander of a B-25 attack bomber and received four decorations.
The famous liberal Democrat Norman Lear (of Archie Bunker fame) also flew 52 bombing missions, during that war, 37 of them over Nazi Germany.
Former Vice President Al Gore – enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an air base twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
Sen. John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
Gov. & President Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53.
Gov. & presidential candidate, Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57.
Sen. John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters.
During World War II, Sen, & VP Hubert Humphrey tried twice to join the armed forces, but was rejected both times due to a hernia.
Gov. & U.S. Sen. Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam.
Sen. Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two.
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) – U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) – U.S. Marine served in combat in Vietnam 1968-69, and was awarded the Navy Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star with combat V, and Purple Heart.
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) – Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) – U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC) – served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle, 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Sen. Bob Kerrey, Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Sen. Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Sen. Howell Heflin: .USMC WWII, Silver Star, Purple Heart (x2)
Rep. Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader – Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71..
Rep. David Bonior – Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72.
Rep. Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Rangel served with distinction at the front in Korea. "where he received both a Purple Heart for being injured and a Bronze Star for bravery. The wounded Rangel led 40 of his comrades for three days behind enemy lines rather than surrender." [http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-b-rangel]
Rep. Jack Murtha (D-PA) – distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) – Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Rep. Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57.
Rep. Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Rep. Jim McDermott: Navy.
Rep. Joe Stupak, served Navy 1974-2005,vice-Admiral
Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor – volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V."
Gen. Wesley
Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate – lengthy military career.

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You guys remember the amendment just before the 2nd Amendment? OP has a right to ask.

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To be honest I have been an NRA member since sometime in 2006, I paid my dues and read the magazines, like a lot of people I really didn't pay much attention to the inner working of the NRA other than lobbying for the 2nd, I wasn't really intrested in much else until I started getting calls about the UN coming to take my guns asking for more money and then I started googling Wayne Lappiere after his time spent on the hill talking to Biden and everyone else. I wanted to know why it seems like the NRA is pushing more for mental health services. This is what popped up.


  I do as a matter of personel opinion have little regard for people who's names were called up to serve then did what they could get away with, to get out of it. It would be awesome for someone to explain how the rumor got started and explain what really happen but I suppose it's easier to accuse someone of trolling

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The First Amendment only prevents government entities from infringing on your right to free speech.

A private internet website can censor all the stupid opinions its owners wish to censor.
 

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Don't like the organization/position, attack the man.  Check.

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You're right, and I knew this. But in this case it's not the owners, it's members. We mock the other side for not questioning their leadership. We should be able to question ours without fear of ridicule.

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its not accusing

you ARE trolling

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The First Amendment only prevents government entities from infringing on your right to free speech.

A private internet website can censor all the stupid opinions its owners wish to censor.
 

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Did he receive a deferment?

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A lot of guys did not go, if you really did not want to go all you had to do was go to school, so anyone who had parents with money could avoid VN alltogether. A shitload of my friends were 4-F, some guys never even registered, in the wind as they say. If you were married with kids you did not go. There were maybe 10% more college graduates. Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, Mitt Romney, Rudy Guiliani,

Mitch McConnell (KY), the current Republican leader in the U.S. Senate.
Dan Quayle (IN), the Republican V.P. under G.H.W. Bush.
Bill Frist (TN), the former Republican leader in the U.S. Senate.
Trent Lott (MS), the former Republican leader in the U.S. Senate.
John Ashcroft (MO). Seven deferments, to teach business.
William Cohen (ME) (who became Sec. of Defense for Clinton).
Spencer Abraham (MICH)
Lamar Alexander (TN):
"Jim" Bunning (KY):
"Norm" Coleman (MN):
"Tom" Coburn (OK):
Jon Cornyn III (TX):
Larry Craig (ID):
John Engler (MICH):
Phil Gramm (TX):
Judd Gregg (NH):
Timothy Hutchinson (ARK):
Jon Kyl (AZ) :
Don Nickles: (OK)
Marco Rubio (FL):
Rick Santorum (PA):
Alan Simpson (WY):
Richard Shelby (AL):
Freformer House Speaker Newt Gingrich   – sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
former House Speaker Denny Hastert.
former Majority Leader Dick Armey.
former Majority Leader Tom Delay.
Speaker John A. Boehner.
Majority Leader Eric Cantor.
Kevin McCarthy, Majority Whip.
former Leader Roy Blunt.
Jack Kemp. "Knee problem," although he continued to play in NFL for 8 years.
David McIntosh (COFOUNDER OF FEDERALIST SOCIETY
d Thompson (TN):
Bob Ney
David Dreier
Asa Hutchinson
Christopher Cox
"Joe" Barton
John Mica
Bob Barr
"Charlie" Bass
Roscoe Bartlett
Walter Jones
John M. McHugh
Tom Tancredo
Dana Rohrabacher
Joe Scarborough
JC Watts
Vin Weber
Mark Souder

U.S. Senator Saxby Chambliss (GA). "Bad knee" He unseated tripelegic Democratic war hero Max Cleland by questioning his patriotism!
Banker Pat Toomey, who did not serve became was chosen by the G.O.P. to prevent former Adminal Stupak from becoming U.S. Senator (PA).

Rush Limbaugh   – sought deferment (because of a cyst on his tail end).
Ben Stein, actor, comedian, commentator, activist, etc.
(Rush's conservative brother) David Limbaugh.
George Will     – sought graduate school deferment, (too smart to die).
Pat Buchanan     – sought deferment (for bad knee).
Pat Robertson   – his US Senator father got him out of Korea as soon as the shooting began.
James Taranto = Propagandist at the Wall Street Journal

Sean Hannity (FOX).
Bill O'Reilly: (FOX).
Glenn Beck (FOX).
Steve Doocy (FOX).
Brian Kilmeade (FOX).
Chris Wallace (FOX).
Brit Hume (FOX).
Roger Ailes (FOX).
Carl Cameron (FOX).
Matt Drudge.
Ron Kessler = propagandist
Marvin Olasky = propagandist
Joe McQuaid = propagandist
Steve Forbes
Michael "Savage" Weiner

Paul Gigot
Bill Kristol
Ralph Reed
Michael Medved
Charlie Daniels
Jerry Falwell
Alan Keyes
Ted Nugent
Chris Matthews
Neil Boortz
"P J" O'Rourke
Paul Harvey
Tony Snow
Donn Tibbetts
   = Union Leader reporter
Dinesh D'Souza

Mel Gibson's uber-conservative-Catholic father moved his family to Australia to save his sons from having to serve their country during the Vietnam War. Mel has since moved back to the U.S.A., now that it is safe for chickenhawks.
Clint Eastwood was drafted during the Korean war, but his service was limited to teaching swimming at Fort Ord in California until he moved on to PLAYING a tough guy for the rest if his life in Hollywood.
Charles Koch, big funder of right wing lobbyist groups.
David Koch big funder of right wing lobbyist groups
Richard B. Berman, right wing lobbyist. See http://www.bermanexposed.org
Bill Loeb III, publisher of extremely conservative newspaper
John M. Olin, weapons salesman & big funder of right wing lobbyist groups
Floyd "Mel" Sembler = Money bags
Don Feder , Conservative Law Professor & propagandist
Bryan Fischer = Director, American Family Association
Frederick Walter Kagan
Robert Kagan = two brother military propagandists


Those are celbrities and politicos, there were a shitload of John Does who did not go

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You're right, and I knew this. But in this case it's not the owners, it's members. We mock the other side for not questioning their leadership. We should be able to question ours without fear of ridicule.

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Can we at least have some kind of verifiable FACT before we question our leadership?

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You're right, and I knew this. But in this case it's not the owners, it's members. We mock the other side for not questioning their leadership. We should be able to question ours without fear of ridicule.

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Surprize Democrats who walked the walk

DEMOCRATIC LEADERS who "walked the walk" :
        While most Democrats don't just say that war should be the last resort but truly believe it and try to resolve conflicts through more peaceful means, when just wars have been necessary and unavoidable, they have a long established record of putting their own lives and those of their own children on the line, rather than persuading other people to sacrifice themselves and their children: Sen. & Presidential Candidate McGovern, one of the elite few Air Force bomber pilots to fly the maximum 35 successful bombing missions in WW II. Stephen Ambrose, who wrote a book about him, called him "one of the greatest patriots I know."
Jack Valenti ( President L.B. Johnson's special personal assistant) flew 51 combat missions as the pilot-commander of a B-25 attack bomber and received four decorations.
The famous liberal Democrat Norman Lear (of Archie Bunker fame) also flew 52 bombing missions, during that war, 37 of them over Nazi Germany.
Former Vice President Al Gore – enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an air base twenty miles northeast of Saigon.
Sen. John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat.
Gov. & President Jimmy Carter: Lt. Commander in the Navy 1946-53.
Gov. & presidential candidate, Michael Dukakis: Army 1955-57.
Sen. John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs; Air Medal w/18 Clusters.
During World War II, Sen, & VP Hubert Humphrey tried twice to join the armed forces, but was rejected both times due to a hernia.
Gov. & U.S. Sen. Chuck Robb: U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70, Vietnam.
Sen. Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two.
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) – U.S. Army, 1951-1953.
Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) – U.S. Marine served in combat in Vietnam 1968-69, and was awarded the Navy Cross, Silver Star, Bronze Star with combat V, and Purple Heart.
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) – Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) – U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC) – served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons.
Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle, 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72.
Sen. Bob Kerrey, Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Sen. Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Sen. Howell Heflin: .USMC WWII, Silver Star, Purple Heart (x2)
Rep. Richard Gephardt, former House Minority Leader – Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71..
Rep. David Bonior – Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72.
Rep. Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Rangel served with distinction at the front in Korea. "where he received both a Purple Heart for being injured and a Bronze Star for bravery. The wounded Rangel led 40 of his comrades for three days behind enemy lines rather than surrender." [http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-b-rangel]
Rep. Jack Murtha (D-PA) – distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990.
Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-IA) – Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal.
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit.
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart.
Rep. Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57.
Rep. Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII.
Rep. Jim McDermott: Navy.
Rep. Joe Stupak, served Navy 1974-2005,vice-Admiral
Gray Davis, California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star.
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor – volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V."
Gen. Wesley
Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate – lengthy military career.

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Can we at least have some kind of verifiable FACT before we question our leadership?

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Some facts were presented and looks like they're not panning out. So in the end, this thing sorts itself out.

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This manufactured controversy all started because some unknown person made a facebook page that states it is an Anti-republican page and make the claim about Wayne Lapierre, with no proof whatsoever.  It then get plastered on DU and snopes can not find anything to back it up.  The OP believes it deserves a thread here?

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A lot of guys did not go,
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Those are celbrities and politicos, there were a shitload of John Does who did not go

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A right that is guaranteed by the second one. OH yeah, how well is that 1A right protected over in your DU if you speak out against the mocha messiah and don't give him his due fellation?

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Then they were never facts at all, just lies and propaganda, thus my question.

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Really you think that highly of me thanks that's awesome man. And by awesome I mean really dissappointing. God forbid I get a legitimate answer.

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Really you think that highly of me thanks that's awesome man. And by awesome I mean really dissappointing. God forbid I get a legitimate answer.

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I dont understand why you chose to target Clint Eastwood? he did not dodge the draft. He did his job and went to an acting carrier. I feel like you are taking a stab at the republican party more than anything else.

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Here is your answer and if you did even a little bit of research before starting this thread you wouldn't have started a shit storm.

He graduated high school in 1967.

He received a BA in Education from Sienna College so figure 4 years you get 1971.

He then went on to get a Masters in Government from Boston College and now you get 1973.  He would have had a deferment to the end of the academic year.

The last draft selection was December 1973.

So you tell me how did he skip the draft if he was in school the whole time?

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Here is your answer and if you did even a little bit of research before starting this thread you wouldn't have started a shit storm.

He graduated high school in 1967.

He received a BA in Education from Sienna College so figure 4 years you get 1971.

He then went on to get a Masters in Government from Boston College and now you get 1973.  He would have had a deferment to the end of the academic year.

The last draft selection was December 1973.

So you tell me how did he skip the draft if he was in school the whole time?

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Here is your answer and if you did even a little bit of research before starting this thread you wouldn't have started a shit storm.

He graduated high school in 1967.

He received a BA in Education from Sienna College so figure 4 years you get 1971.

He then went on to get a Masters in Government from Boston College and now you get 1973.  He would have had a deferment to the end of the academic year.

The last draft selection was December 1973.

So you tell me how did he skip the draft if he was in school the whole time?

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Is this 4 pages because the Chicom paid trolls are outing themselves?

If so, I'll go back and see who they are. Otherwise, I don't care what the commies try to get to stick to WLP. Tomorrow, I'm sure he will be a pedo according to some commie propaganda troll.

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He seems to be bothered that he got a legal deferment.

As noted earlier, this is not his first NRA bashing thread.

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He seems to be bothered that he got a legal deferment.

As noted earlier, this is not his first NRA bashing thread.