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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:32:46 AM
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Your health insurance costs are going up because of the government interference. You understand this right? The govt has been screwing around with healthcare for decades.
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You're 26 and your parents were still paying for your fucking health care? Shit dude, lol.


Keep reading the thread.....


Oh no, I did. I'm just more concerned about the rest of us getting fucked in the ass than all the bennies you picked up. BTW I'm your age.


Didn't change one benefit, just the cost of insurance and I am 28 now working as a 2nd year mechanical engineer with 1.5 years left till I get my PE, the only person getting fucked is me on taxes since I make way to much to qualify for student loan deduction on my taxes. SO please tell me how I fucked you on anything?


You came here to extoll the virtues of Obamacare and how it positively influenced your insurance rates while the rest of ours went up at least 20%. And now you want to complain about the student loans you chose to take out that you don't get deductions for. You can't complain about not getting tax deductions and then tell us how awesome Obamacare is.

I think you misunderstood the word "bennies". You benefited from a socialist power grab in the past yet now you're on the cusp of having to deal with real world issues, such as having to pay taxes and not getting all the sweet deductions. Just think, there was a guy in your current position right now about 10 years ago. I'm not trying to attack you personally, but the truth is that you're now realizing the effects the current tax and oppression system had on the guy before you. That's been the whole plan of the system in the first place: robbing Peter to pay that old bastard Paul. And we're left holding the bag now that its all coming down.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:45:43 AM
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jesus! 9k a year is crazy?! is that just one person on your policy?


8K for my family of 5, and we have 3k deductible per person.


So yeah, self insurance blows.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:53:16 AM
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OP, Obamacare will make your insurance costs INCREASE. Please stop getting your information from mass media, and educate yourself.


Please allow me educate you first.

Obamacare requires everyone buy insurance. This creates the largest pool of insurance customers. The individual buyer today can ditch their policy ,join the 30million? new buyers. I suspect the rates will be lower than what I pay today.


Once again. Why is my split cost ( employer/me) insurance now showing up on my W2? Because I will eventually be taxed on a benefit I work for to pay for the people who dont work. When I retire I expect to pay for 100% of my insurance out of pocket. I dont want obamski care anywhere fucking near me. If you dont have a good health care package then maybe you should educate your own damned self and find a better job so you can get one and stop expecting everyone else to pay for it.
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You came here to extoll the virtues of Obamacare and how it positively influenced your insurance rates while the rest of ours went up at least 20%. And now you want to complain about the student loans you chose to take out that you don't get deductions for. You can't complain about not getting tax deductions and then tell us how awesome Obamacare is.

I think you misunderstood the word "bennies". You benefited from a socialist power grab in the past yet now you're on the cusp of having to deal with real world issues, such as having to pay taxes and not getting all the sweet deductions. Just think, there was a guy in your current position right now about 10 years ago. I'm not trying to attack you personally, but the truth is that you're now realizing the effects the current tax and oppression system had on the guy before you. That's been the whole plan of the system in the first place: robbing Peter to pay that old bastard Paul. And we're left holding the bag now that its all coming down.


I never ment to imply in any way that I was for what happened (Obamacare) if I was some du bitch I would have called it by its name,affordable care act. I was trying to give the OP with the information on what has happened to me personally since it was enacted. Also if you are "my age" you would have benefited from it too meaning your rates would not have gone up 20%. Also I said that when I got off my parents plan my rates slightly went from when I was on theirs but was significantly cheaper than before.

And there wasn't someone in my position 10 years ago, fresh graduate still learning the industry, in the 90's mechanical engineering wasn't a degree people were going after. the guys above me are all in their 50's+. Also I believe you are missing what I was saying about taxes.
It was mentioned and implied that I was pretty much living off mommy and daddy, I was simply informing that I was not and worked damn hard to get where I am today. I am also not complaining about the taxes I pay because someone has to pay for our .mil, .gov, and entitlements. I am more then proud to call my self an American. I therefor pay my taxes so people like my parents can eventually retire, and have health care, albeit not the best through social security. I hope your parents think highly of you since you are calling them the " old bastard Paul". Where I come from we are taught to shoot, taught to obey the law, and taught to respect our elders.
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Self empoyed, me wife three kids 1k deductible per person 3k family deductible 1200/month. BCBS
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Posted: 2/17/2013 7:37:31 AM
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I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance. I'm self employed,perfect health 50 years old. I buy my own from BlueCross. Its taking every dime I have left after taxes , food and housing.
My counterpart in Germany pays half as much for health insurance. I just think the American healthcare system isn't working. Something needs to be done.

Still don't know what ramification Obamacare has on me.


Once the FEDS step in and begin over regulating any industry that industry will have the costs go up.

Bottom line is insurance is expensive and not everybody can afford it. If it is really important to you than you will find a way to afford it. If not than drop it and pay you fine to the FEDS.

Consider it a luxury item.

The only reason I pay for it is I have 3 kids. I choose to pay and I refuse to ask the FEDS for any help.

Once you ask DC for help you are screwed and they own you.

Sorry, I ranted. Obamacare is not the answer, it is the start of a bigger problem.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:09:23 AM
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As it is now, you have to wait weeks to be seen by your doctor. What do you think will happen when 30million previously uninsured FSA soldiers get their health care? Who's doctors are they going to go to? How many doctors are going to throw in the towel when all this happens?

You're gonna have 30mil more patients and a crap load fewer doctors.

Thanks obama


You realize this isn't happening right? Med schools are turning away applicants in record numbers, this could be due to the fact they want their rejections rates high to look "prestigious" but right now there is not a shortage of college kids wanting to be doctors.


Medical schools have had a 50% rejection rate for decades. Do you know how long it takes to make a physician? Do you know it takes hundreds of millions of dollars to open a new med school (though existing schools have attempted to increase enrollment to compensate).

I'm mid-career... but lots of my colleagues are planning on retiring soon, or greatly curtailing their hours/practice. Some have gone concierge.

The government will make it all up with extenders and paraprofessionals.

There's your lower standard-of-care.
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The answer is clear, you should move to Germany.
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Currently through my employer. Before that I was uninsured and either paid in cash or went without. Hell, I even resorted to a barter clinic when I had pneumonia.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:19:24 AM
From the same place I was before. It just costs me $120 a month more. Or no $140. Whatever. Thats just the increase for 2013. Went up in 2012 as well. Will go up in 2014 if my company can even get it.

I'm sure its just a coincidence though.

That is a full month of bills, mortgage, insurance, utilities, to run my house. Gone from my pocket and the economy in general. See, I pay my bills and am a responsible consumer. I sacrifice to do the right thing.

Heres an ironic little fact. To help cover the cost of the increase in my health care premiums I cancelled my health club membership.
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Half of the reason health insurance is so expensive is because people want such a low copay and they don't want to be responsible for preventive maintenance costs. Imagine if people bought car insurance and they expected it to cover oil changes, tire rotation, new tires, belts, car washes and waxes shampooing for spilt coffee, etc. it would be through the roof. just like health insurance. Certain things people just need to pay for themselves. Annual checkups, birth control and the like are things that don't require insurance. Breaking your leg does.
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we have family plan through wifes work. according to her most recent pay stub, 150 a month (75 per check) for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

with no deductibles - and varying co pays that do not exceed $50


ive been told this is the "Cadilac" insurance and we are not even close to understand obamacare or what it will do to her (our ) insurance


I could get insurance through my work but it costs more monthly and there is a 2K deductible. its cheaper for us to stay on hers.
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OP: Get a quote from your local Farm Bureau. In most states, anyone can join their local Farm Bureau, and the prices are usually low.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:25:09 AM
Originally Posted By Stevesc:
Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob:
OP, Obamacare will make your insurance costs INCREASE. Please stop getting your information from mass media, and educate yourself.


Please allow me educate you first.

Obamacare requires everyone buy insurance. This creates the largest pool of insurance customers. The individual buyer today can ditch their policy ,join the 30million? new buyers. I suspect the rates will be lower than what I pay today.


The rates will NOT decrease. There is no way. It is mathematically impossible to cover preexisting conditions and a no-copay mandatory "coverage" for a multitude of items and have premiums decrease.
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You're gonna have 30mil more patients and a crap load fewer doctors.

Thanks obama


You realize this isn't happening right? Med schools are turning away applicants in record numbers, this could be due to the fact they want their rejections rates high to look "prestigious" but right now there is not a shortage of college kids wanting to be doctors.


True, been this way for years. But it's also true that there are no "New" spots in med school to increase the number of doctors...that 30 million is going to put a huge hurt on the system with no new docs, nurses, techs or hospital beds in the pipeline to take up the slack. You could easily take the next 10% of applicants to med school and end up with some damn fine doctors. But there are no schools to train them


There are actually new spots in med school. There have been several for profit med schools popping up to meet the demand. The problem is US residency spots. These are goverment funded and have been more or less capped for years. They increase only at a very small rate, almost 0%. The rate of increase in medical school graduates far outpaces the available residency spots. Add to this all of the foreign medical school graduates that come over here and take US residency spots. You can't practice medicine without a residency. Therefore, the number of actual practicing doctors is not increasing, and the rate of retirement of current docs in skyrocketing. Access to an actual doctor is rapidly worsening.

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We do not have health insurance, and get along just fine without it, as people have done for centuries.


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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:31:27 AM
9k doesn't really sound all that bad if it is good coverage, we payed more than that for two of us for good coverage when self employed up until a couple of years ago.

The answer is easy, although it sounds bad, flexibility is one of the big benefits of self-employment. Get a good cpa and work the tax/insurance system to the best of your ability as the laws and rules change. You control your income both by how much you work, and your salary versus company profits.
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13,000 a year for me and my wife. $3000.00 deductible. 4 years ago is was $9600 and $2000.00 deductible.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:33:48 AM
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I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance. I'm self employed,perfect health 50 years old. I buy my own from BlueCross. Its taking every dime I have left after taxes , food and housing.
My counterpart in Germany pays half as much for health insurance. I just think the American healthcare system isn't working. Something needs to be done.

Still don't know what ramification Obamacare has on me.


Go live in Germany. And choke yourself.
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The American healthcare system isn't working because nobody wants to pay for their own healthcare with their own money.
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paying the penalty until the penalty is = or greater than the cost of insurance that year.

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I get mine from work. I earn Kaiser, Delta Dental, Profit sharing 401k vision lawyers and other bennies too long of a list really. but thats what hard work gets ya. what you earn!


Damn. With all that disposable income you would think you would buy a team membership.
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Originally Posted By oresti:
The American healthcare system isn't working because nobody wants to pay for their own healthcare with their own money.


It's failing because nobody taught the people that the money their government spends, IS THEIR MONEY to begin with, minus a use fee (government wages)

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The American healthcare system isn't working because nobody wants to pay for their own healthcare with their own money.


This is a great point. I find it interesting that people will pay for iPhones, and spend $120/visit at the vet. They bicker about paying a $20 copay at the doc's office though. The consumer is removed from the actual cost of the healthcare and therefore subconsciously values it at the rate of their $10-20 copay. Most people would not consider paying their primary care doc $120 cash.

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There are actually new spots in med school. There have been several for profit med schools popping up to meet the demand. The problem is US residency spots. These are goverment funded and have been more or less capped for years. They increase only at a very small rate, almost 0%. The rate of increase in medical school graduates far outpaces the available residency spots. Add to this all of the foreign medical school graduates that come over here and take US residency spots. You can't practice medicine without a residency. Therefore, the number of actual practicing doctors is not increasing, and the rate of retirement of current docs in skyrocketing. Access to an actual doctor is rapidly worsening.



I have only seen one actually get accredited. It's a DO school... and AFAIK, they have yet to turn out their first graduating class of doctors.

And they're a drop in the bucket. We've been falling short on primary-care physicians for years (and trying to make up the difference with extenders), and it's NOT going to get better soon.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 9:44:02 AM
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The American healthcare system isn't working because nobody wants to pay for their own healthcare with their own money.


If fat people who smoked and drank had to pay for their own medical care we would solve a lot of problems rather quickly.

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He's asking for details folks!
Since Obamacare was passed my ins went from $365 a month to $135 a month, I was still under 26 and in grad school and was able to go back in my parents plan from my own bcbs, Then it went to $156 after I turned 26, same bennies 1k deduct, 2k out of pocket and then 1mill max pay covered from ins. Now 100% covered by employer through community care. I don't like all the policies that happened with Obama care but good chuck was aimed at helping kids my age especially with the whole student loan section.


Mine went up 20% for a married guy 40yo. Do you want to guess who paid for your reduced cost?
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Originally Posted By dch828:

There are actually new spots in med school. There have been several for profit med schools popping up to meet the demand. The problem is US residency spots. These are goverment funded and have been more or less capped for years. They increase only at a very small rate, almost 0%. The rate of increase in medical school graduates far outpaces the available residency spots. Add to this all of the foreign medical school graduates that come over here and take US residency spots. You can't practice medicine without a residency. Therefore, the number of actual practicing doctors is not increasing, and the rate of retirement of current docs in skyrocketing. Access to an actual doctor is rapidly worsening.



I have only seen one actually get accredited. It's a DO school... and AFAIK, they have yet to turn out their first graduating class of doctors.

And they're a drop in the bucket. We've been falling short on primary-care physicians for years (and trying to make up the difference with extenders), and it's NOT going to get better soon.


I agree with you. When primary care docs are netting about $15/patient, there isn't much incentive to go $150k in debt and give up 8 years of your life after college to do it.

Extenders (NP/PAs) can be an awesome resource, but using them outside of their training is actually adding to the inefficiency and increases in healthcare costs. I don't see a great solution but it is a shame that we can't fill primary care positions with the best US grads anymore. I worry about who will be taking care of my family in the future.

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Originally Posted By Bowzer:
He's asking for details folks!
Since Obamacare was passed my ins went from $365 a month to $135 a month, I was still under 26 and in grad school and was able to go back in my parents plan from my own bcbs, Then it went to $156 after I turned 26, same bennies 1k deduct, 2k out of pocket and then 1mill max pay covered from ins. Now 100% covered by employer through community care. I don't like all the policies that happened with Obama care but good chuck was aimed at helping kids my age especially with the whole student loan section.


Mine went up 20% for a married guy 40yo. Do you want to guess who paid for your reduced cost?


*Raises hand*

Oooh! Oooh!




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I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance. I'm self employed,perfect health 50 years old. I buy my own from BlueCross. Its taking every dime I have left after taxes , food and housing.
My counterpart in Germany pays half as much for health insurance. I just think the American healthcare system isn't working. Something needs to be done.

Still don't know what ramification Obamacare has on me.


It's a shame out of state insurance companies can not compete for your business. There are a plethora of reasons why insurance costs have gone thru the roof.
Obamacare's implications are much more dire and serious for your children and mine. THAT is what worries me most about it.
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we have family plan through wifes work. according to her most recent pay stub, 150 a month (75 per check) for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

with no deductibles - and varying co pays that do not exceed $50


ive been told this is the "Cadilac" insurance and we are not even close to understand obamacare or what it will do to her (our ) insurance


I could get insurance through my work but it costs more monthly and there is a 2K deductible. its cheaper for us to stay on hers.


It is a cadillac plan but if it is a union type shop where she works or an organization who contributed to Obama's reelection, it probably got an exemption from Obamacare.

Hundreds of union plans (e.g., UAW and SEIU) got exemptions because they supported Democrats.
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Originally Posted By Stevesc:
I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance. I'm self employed,perfect health 50 years old. I buy my own from BlueCross. Its taking every dime I have left after taxes , food and housing.
My counterpart in Germany pays half as much for health insurance. I just think the American healthcare system isn't working. Something needs to be done.

Still don't know what ramification Obamacare has on me.


1st, a large reason your healthcare is so expensive is due to the government demanding new benefits and adding new regulations. That's why they weren't there before, in order to keep cost down.
2nd, that healthcare system that isn't working has been the main driver for most major medical advancements that will help you live past 80. It has also helped the world with innovations in vaccines and medicines, including your buddy in Germany.

But hey, we all know the Feds have a LONG track record of running successful businesses in the most efficient manner possible, just look at...
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Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
Originally Posted By Bowzer:
He's asking for details folks!
Since Obamacare was passed my ins went from $365 a month to $135 a month, I was still under 26 and in grad school and was able to go back in my parents plan from my own bcbs, Then it went to $156 after I turned 26, same bennies 1k deduct, 2k out of pocket and then 1mill max pay covered from ins. Now 100% covered by employer through community care. I don't like all the policies that happened with Obama care but good chuck was aimed at helping kids my age especially with the whole student loan section.


Mine went up 20% for a married guy 40yo. Do you want to guess who paid for your reduced cost?

People getting monetary benefits from obama don't really give a fuck where their newly found largesse came from.





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I get mine from my job. Alot of why I stay with my company has to do with my benefits.
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I would think most people would be just fine if they had a high deductible plan and put aside a little bit each year for the deductible. Unfortunately I'm guessing high deductible plans will be eliminated because of the ridiculous requirement on insurance companies regarding the ration of income to spending. If people treated car insurance like they do health insurance they would be expecting $50 for a new set of tires and a $5 copay for a tank of gas and car insurance would be more than the cost of a car.
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
Originally Posted By Bowzer:
He's asking for details folks!
Since Obamacare was passed my ins went from $365 a month to $135 a month, I was still under 26 and in grad school and was able to go back in my parents plan from my own bcbs, Then it went to $156 after I turned 26, same bennies 1k deduct, 2k out of pocket and then 1mill max pay covered from ins. Now 100% covered by employer through community care. I don't like all the policies that happened with Obama care but good chuck was aimed at helping kids my age especially with the whole student loan section.


Mine went up 20% for a married guy 40yo. Do you want to guess who paid for your reduced cost?


*Raises hand*

Oooh! Oooh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDAqrywsHE


ETA: I'm dating myself badly with that reference...



I assume MEs still have to take an economics class. Maybe our young engineer can tell us what happens when demand goes up and supply stays the same.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:05:25 AM
Through my employer, and I pick up the rest, just like I have been for well over thirty years. I work for it and / or pay for it.

Fuck the FSA and obamacare.

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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:20:41 AM
Originally Posted By FMJ3:

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
Originally Posted By Bowzer:
He's asking for details folks!
Since Obamacare was passed my ins went from $365 a month to $135 a month, I was still under 26 and in grad school and was able to go back in my parents plan from my own bcbs, Then it went to $156 after I turned 26, same bennies 1k deduct, 2k out of pocket and then 1mill max pay covered from ins. Now 100% covered by employer through community care. I don't like all the policies that happened with Obama care but good chuck was aimed at helping kids my age especially with the whole student loan section.


Mine went up 20% for a married guy 40yo. Do you want to guess who paid for your reduced cost?

People getting monetary benefits from obama don't really give a fuck where their newly found largesse came from.








Wait a few years and our young engineer will see the light. When he and with future wife start earning enough money to be "rich".
"All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Any compromise on mere fundamentals is a surrender. For it is all give and no take." -Ghandi
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:32:47 AM
The way this is going there should be nothing but individual policies sold. Each person is a unique risk.
once you have paid him the Dane-geld, you never get rid of the Dane

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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:37:03 AM
Mines about $1600 a month, 20% of which I pay. I'm 66 years old.
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until you get sick or iinjured!
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:39:05 AM
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I work for the federal government but I don't use our insurance. I'm on my wife's through her employer. We have Blue Cross/Blue Shield and her employer covers 75% of the cost. So it's relatively cheap for the two of us plus 2 kids.


Cheap?

Her compensation pkg. is paying everything.

The only reason she does not write the check is that it is a tax break for the employer to do it.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:41:41 AM
Another thing that bothers me about obama care. health care under your parents umbrella til your 26. get the hell out of the house junior!!
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:42:10 AM
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I am self employed as well. I pay $109 per month, $5000 deductible. I use Assurant.

If you are paying $9000 you are seriously ill. Or you have a $1 deductible.

ETA: I am 53
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:49:38 AM
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HMO = Government fix to healthcare = increased healthcare costs

Obama care = New government fix to healthcare = further increases in healthcare costs.

Historically any time the government gets involved with an industry and regulates it in an attempt to lower costs, the opposite is the result.

Until we remove government from the equation and let the free market act freely we will see ever increasing costs.


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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:54:20 AM
Through my employer the state gov.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:58:56 AM
How much was it when he took office?
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