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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:42:45 AM EDT
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Good for him. Ed is a stupid fuck. He is getting what he deserves for voting Dem. Exactly I wish some of my coworkers would get what they deserve for voting dem. Well... we're ALL gonna feel the unlubricated rubber glove for the selfish/ignorant/lazy voting dem.  Wait. You got a rubber glove???? That glove is to expensive when paid for by Obamacare's money! |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:44:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 40 hour work week will be a thing of the past for anyone that works for a large business and is unskilled labor. The FSA only has themselves to thank as they asked for it. Now they will have to work 2 or more jobs, and buy their own health insurance. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. Negative. Many, many more people...people who never even considered going on welfare, will find that it's easier and cheaper to work 1 PT job and go on the .gov healthcare plan. How many people will say to themselves: So, I can work 50 hours/week, make less money than I did before, and pay more for health insurance? Or, I can work 25 hrs per week, get "free" health insurance, food stamps, cash benefits, utility assistance, huge EIC checks, and actually have more money in my pocket?  Speed You realize this was by design, right? It's certainly the only way it makes sense. They couldn't get Obama's dream of single payer health insurance through, so they create an environment that bankrupts the healthcare insurance industry and forced government to "bail out" the players, creating a de facto single payer system. Speed |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:47:50 AM EDT
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Good for him. Ed is a stupid fuck. He is getting what he deserves for voting Dem. This... - georgestrings |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:47:54 AM EDT
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They couldn't get Obama's dream of single payer health insurance through, so they create an environment that bankrupts the healthcare insurance industry and forced government to "bail out" the players, creating a de facto single payer system. Speed Yep. This was the end-state from the word "Go!" |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:48:09 AM EDT
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These clowns won't blame their messiah. They will just blame "the 1%". That's all. FIFY I have a friend that is a radiology tech(has a second job as a model) that voted for Obama. It'll be interesting when it turns into the government being her employer and the government not paying.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:49:39 AM EDT
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Either people will wake up and realize that Obamacare is going to screw them and the Dem/Statis get ran out of DC on greased rails or they will beg for the government to save them from Obamacare and go single payer. Right now I say it will fall in favor of the Dem/Statis as the propoganda arm of the party will be spinning this in full force.
I fully expect the quality and availability of care to plummet. It is likely I will see my parents suffer greatly in future years because of this. I fear for my children and I pray that they remain healthy and that I never have to see them suffer because of Obamacare. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:53:45 AM EDT
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So question, and i apologize if im hijacking the thread, but is this going to be the precedent for all companies? kick everyone to part time to avoid having to pay health care? And is this going to be everywhere, or more retail job related. Just kind of getting nervous as im about to graduate college with a software engineering degree. I have never been one to take a free ride on .gov stuffs but im worried about providing for my family.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:56:12 AM EDT
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Hopefully Obamacare will make a huge difference on the midterm elections in 2014 and the elections in 2016. I was just talking to a good friend about that this morning. I was telling him the Lowes story and told him I truly believe all this Obama shit is going to blow up in the Dems faces. I think it will take enough time to happen where people will still have it fresh in their minds come mid-term election time. It might cause more Republicans to get elected, but don't count on them getting rid of Obamacare. I remember during the GOP convention, there were several commenting that if Obama got re-elected, Obamacare would be permanent. I think they'd love to control Obamacare in the future, and now they can do that while blaming Obama for putting it into place. This...the fallacy that Republicans want smaller government is there to see. They just want to control the government programs and increase if they can... |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:56:26 AM EDT
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It is the slow steady change that people don't notice. Kind of like the boiling frog.
He has the ability that will ensure that he can notice sudden changes to his safety. So when the water is room temperature and slowly raises, the frog won't notice until it is too late. Healthcare, will kill folks slowly but surely. Max |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:58:43 AM EDT
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Retail, food, and temp. services, etc. will likely all go part-time only to avoid Obamacare.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 8:58:58 AM EDT
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Obviously Bush's fault.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:00:59 AM EDT
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Good for him. Ed is a stupid fuck. He is getting what he deserves for voting Dem. And lucky us, the dumb asses drug us in with them. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:01:27 AM EDT
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the reckoning will come, trust me.
we just didn't want to be forced to participate in the fuckery that is about to come, as we see it for what it is. the problem, is that the dems thought that they could pass the buck, and not get any push back......and that simply is not the world we live in. You can't bite the hand that feeds you without getting a reprimand. Consider this their fiscal reprimand, and ours as well for not DEMANDING better fucking leadership out of the GOP. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:01:29 AM EDT
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I bet he won't vote for Obama again!
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:02:23 AM EDT
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The 40 hour work week will be a thing of the past for anyone that works for a large business and is unskilled labor. The FSA only has themselves to thank as they asked for it. Now they will have to work 2 or more jobs, and buy their own health insurance. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. Negative. Many, many more people...people who never even considered going on welfare, will find that it's easier and cheaper to work 1 PT job and go on the .gov healthcare plan.
How many people will say to themselves: So, I can work 50 hours/week, make less money than I did before, and pay more for health insurance? Or, I can work 25 hrs per week, get "free" health insurance, food stamps, cash benefits, utility assistance, huge EIC checks, and actually have more money in my pocket?
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I wish it wasn't true, but sadly it is. The government has literally made it the rational choice to work less and leech off the producers in society. I've personally witnessed this exact scenario play out w/ single mothers. They work as much as they can w/o losing their benefits. They go to school and get degrees, hoping to find a professional enough position that will allow them to get off welfare, but the free healthcare, daycare, food stamps, cash assistance, housing vouchers, etc...make it almost impossible to transition to a full time job and still pay their bills. They basically need to find a $60k+ job w/ full medical and daycare right off the bat. They do not allow the mothers to get partial benefits in the daycare, housing, and healthcare areas to transition to working. I've seen women crying about this, ashamed to be on welfare, but trapped by it
Speed We both know the highlighted art isn't going to happen, except in a few parts of the country where the cost of living is so high that $60K barely affords a one room apartment, let alone daycare costs. It usually takes a few years or often even a decade or more of working for a company to cross the $60K threshold. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:04:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The 40 hour work week will be a thing of the past for anyone that works for a large business and is unskilled labor. The FSA only has themselves to thank as they asked for it. Now they will have to work 2 or more jobs, and buy their own health insurance. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. Negative. Many, many more people...people who never even considered going on welfare, will find that it's easier and cheaper to work 1 PT job and go on the .gov healthcare plan. How many people will say to themselves: So, I can work 50 hours/week, make less money than I did before, and pay more for health insurance? Or, I can work 25 hrs per week, get "free" health insurance, food stamps, cash benefits, utility assistance, huge EIC checks, and actually have more money in my pocket? Speed Sadly, this. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:05:49 AM EDT
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I bet he won't vote for Obama again! Actually, the end result will be him falling back on a bunch of government entitlement programs. He'll demand that the "rich" people "pay their fair share" to support the services he'll receive from the government, and he'll keep voting socialist/Dem. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:07:10 AM EDT
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I bet he won't vote for Obama again! Actually, the end result will be him falling back on a bunch of government entitlement programs. He'll demand that the "rich" people "pay their fair share" to support the services he'll receive from the government, and he'll keep voting socialist/Dem. Emasculate men, replace with government. What could possibly go wrong? |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:07:30 AM EDT
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I bet he won't vote for Obama again! Actually, the end result will be him falling back on a bunch of government entitlement programs. He'll demand that the "rich" people "pay their fair share" to support the services he'll receive from the government, and he'll keep voting socialist/Dem. Sadly that's true. He'll also blame big business (Lowes) for his troubles. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:09:26 AM EDT
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Good for him. He wanted it, he got it. Hope he enjoys it This......reap it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:09:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 40 hour work week will be a thing of the past for anyone that works for a large business and is unskilled labor. The FSA only has themselves to thank as they asked for it. Now they will have to work 2 or more jobs, and buy their own health insurance. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. Negative. Many, many more people...people who never even considered going on welfare, will find that it's easier and cheaper to work 1 PT job and go on the .gov healthcare plan. How many people will say to themselves: So, I can work 50 hours/week, make less money than I did before, and pay more for health insurance? Or, I can work 25 hrs per week, get "free" health insurance, food stamps, cash benefits, utility assistance, huge EIC checks, and actually have more money in my pocket? Speed I wish it wasn't true, but sadly it is. The government has literally made it the rational choice to work less and leech off the producers in society. I've personally witnessed this exact scenario play out w/ single mothers. They work as much as they can w/o losing their benefits. They go to school and get degrees, hoping to find a professional enough position that will allow them to get off welfare, but the free healthcare, daycare, food stamps, cash assistance, housing vouchers, etc...make it almost impossible to transition to a full time job and still pay their bills. They basically need to find a $60k+ job w/ full medical and daycare right off the bat. They do not allow the mothers to get partial benefits in the daycare, housing, and healthcare areas to transition to working. I've seen women crying about this, ashamed to be on welfare, but trapped by it Speed We both know the highlighted art isn't going to happen, except in a few parts of the country where the cost of living is so high that $60K barely affords a one room apartment, let alone daycare costs. It usually takes a few years or often even a decade or more of working for a company to cross the $60K threshold. Yes. The point is, this help itself is not a bad idea for those that really need it, but the regulations and requirements are arbitrary and not only discourage advancement back into the full time work force, they actually penelaize it What happens is these ladies work their part time jobs w/ their 4 year degrees, then, once their child is old enough to come home from school by themselves, they go look for a full time job, a permanent residence, etc...if they want to You gotta figure after 12 years or so of living like that, some of them might have simply accepted their lot in life and have no real desire to take on the large proposition of full time, higher stress work. Maybe they cut hair under the table, sell crafts, whatever...in over a decade of living like this, the more resourceful ones may have "thrived" as much as they could and now lost the work ethic they once had; why gamble on your child's future when you have everything you need/want now? Speed |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:10:09 AM EDT
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I have zero issue with people that voted with greed in their hearts getting shafted. Anyone that voted for the entitlement king deserve to feel the pain. Keep blaming it all on the FSA, and the Republicans will keep losing. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:11:10 AM EDT
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Good for him. Good for him as he received what he bargained for. Good for you for telling him. Reality sucks for Democrat supporters lately. Reality????? They will NEVER Accept the blame for this..somehow they'll Spindle, Fold, and Mutilate this into being the Republican's fault, and the Dem Sheep will lap it up. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:11:11 AM EDT
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Margaret Thatcher was right.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:16:39 AM EDT
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He voted for it , now it's a reality for him. Hope he enjoys the ride. yep |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:20:58 AM EDT
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Yes. The point is, this help itself is not a bad idea for those that really need it, but the regulations and requirements are arbitrary and not only discourage advancement back into the full time work force, they actually penelaize it
What happens is these ladies work their part time jobs w/ their 4 year degrees, then, once their child is old enough to come home from school by themselves, they go look for a full time job, a permanent residence, etc...if they want to
You gotta figure after 12 years or so of living like that, some of them might have simply accepted their lot in life and have no real desire to take on the large proposition of full time, higher stress work. Maybe they cut hair under the table, sell crafts, whatever...in over a decade of living like this, the more resourceful ones may have "thrived" as much as they could and now lost the work ethic they once had; why gamble on your child's future when you have everything you need/want now? Speed You are making excellent points. And as has been stated, this is all by design. The children of these single moms will have been raised in an environment of dependency on the government and will perpetuate the cycle themselves. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:25:31 AM EDT
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So question, and i apologize if im hijacking the thread, but is this going to be the precedent for all companies? kick everyone to part time to avoid having to pay health care? And is this going to be everywhere, or more retail job related. Just kind of getting nervous as im about to graduate college with a software engineering degree. I have never been one to take a free ride on .gov stuffs but im worried about providing for my family. Lemme put it like this. Right now my work group has been working without a union contract for going on three years now. I'm not in the union myself, but my wages and other benefits are still determined by what the company and union negotiate.  Anyway, the reason there has been no agreement is that the word "terminate" was used in the proposed contract, regarding health coverage, and the union wanted it removed. Basically this means that the company insisted, for the first time ever, on having the right to eliminate company sponsored health insurance for it's employees altogether and the union pitched a fit.
During one of their rant sessions in the break room (big time union pukes and Dem voters), I jumped into the discussion and said "What's the problem? This is exactly what you guys asked for during the election and now that you've got it you're all pissed off! What gives?" They asked, "What do you mean by that? What's the government got to do with it? It's just the company trying to take more of our benifits away because they don't care about anybody but the shareholders and board members!" So I explained, "Look, big companies like this spend, on average, about 16% of their total operating budget on healthcare costs for their employees, and it just keeps going up. Now, due to Obamacare, which you guys are soooooo in love with, they can now dump that cost and just pay a "fine" of about half that amount and leave it up to us to find our own insurance, that is unless we'd rather do without insurance and pay a fine too. I tried to tell all you people all this and more was coming before the election but you wouldn't listen! Now you've screwed us all! "
Idiots! They ain't seen nothin' yet and they're dragging us down with 'em! 
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:26:25 AM EDT
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Hopefully Obamacare will make a huge difference on the midterm elections in 2014 and the elections in 2016. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:27:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:27:43 AM EDT
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oh well.. These people are watching the wrong news networks
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:28:32 AM EDT
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Being a low information voter has it's consequences.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:28:50 AM EDT
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Sucks for Ed that he had to learn the hard way. Sucks worse, though, for the rest of us that knew what was coming... |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:36:53 AM EDT
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Hopefully Obamacare will make a huge difference on the midterm elections in 2014 and the elections in 2016. I wouldn't count on it. The low-information voters outnumber us. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:38:44 AM EDT
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I love these threads.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:40:51 AM EDT
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Change---he got it.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:43:20 AM EDT
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Good for him. He wanted it, he got it. Hope he enjoys it Looks like he got just what he asked for. He got it good, and he got it hard, and he will get it repeatedly. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:47:02 AM EDT
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You need to sing a little jingle for Ed: You asked for it, You got it, Bend-oooover. Is there a preferred tune for this jingle? |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:47:50 AM EDT
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Screw Ed. I would have told him to his face what an idiot he is.
I've seen this remorse on a few occasions. Hours are being cut and jobs are being eliminated all over the country. Recently, I have witnessed several BO voters crying that their hours were cut in half. Their first comment was " you can cut his, his and hers hours and give those hours to me." Fucking socialists. They want the hours of employees with more time and seniority cut and those hours given to them. Screw them all. I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:51:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/14/2013 9:54:13 AM EDT
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I have a liberal coworker that informed me that what employers have been doing to avoid having to pay for Obamacare should be illegal and they need a new law to make it necessary for companies to only hire full time employees... Where does socialism stop  Sadly, I think it's only a matter of time til legislation to this effect is proposed and voted on.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:14:05 AM EDT
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How is Obamacare to blame for his hours reduction? I am not arguing, just asking.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:20:23 AM EDT
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I have zero issue with people that voted with greed in their hearts getting shafted. Anyone that voted for the entitlement king deserve to feel the pain. Yup |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:31:31 AM EDT
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I have a liberal coworker that informed me that what employers have been doing to avoid having to pay for Obamacare should be illegal and they need a new law to make it necessary for companies to only hire full time employees... Where does socialism stop Sadly, I think it's only a matter of time til legislation to this effect is proposed and voted on. Because they are the root cause. The companies have been put in a "no win" situation. They cannot raise prices fast enough to keep up with this. Any price increases may potentially drive customers away. MOST companies do not operate on high margins. Supermarkets are like 1-3% of sales. This means they also do not have extra money to spend to pick up this cost themselves. So those two things drive them to shaft them employees since its the only way to avoid the problem. Not that this doesn't cause problems itself. ( more employees to train, greater turn over, etc) |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:40:49 AM EDT
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The 40 hour work week will be a thing of the past for anyone that works for a large business and is unskilled labor. The FSA only has themselves to thank as they asked for it. Now they will have to work 2 or more jobs, and buy their own health insurance. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. Negative. Many, many more people...people who never even considered going on welfare, will find that it's easier and cheaper to work 1 PT job and go on the .gov healthcare plan.
How many people will say to themselves: So, I can work 50 hours/week, make less money than I did before, and pay more for health insurance? Or, I can work 25 hrs per week, get "free" health insurance, food stamps, cash benefits, utility assistance, huge EIC checks, and actually have more money in my pocket?
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I wish it wasn't true, but sadly it is. The government has literally made it the rational choice to work less and leech off the producers in society. I've personally witnessed this exact scenario play out w/ single mothers. They work as much as they can w/o losing their benefits. They go to school and get degrees, hoping to find a professional enough position that will allow them to get off welfare, but the free healthcare, daycare, food stamps, cash assistance, housing vouchers, etc...make it almost impossible to transition to a full time job and still pay their bills. They basically need to find a $60k+ job w/ full medical and daycare right off the bat. They do not allow the mothers to get partial benefits in the daycare, housing, and healthcare areas to transition to working. I've seen women crying about this, ashamed to be on welfare, but trapped by it
Speed Trapped by bad decisions. Let them cry. Let them feel shame. I'm paying for them to breed and until they cut out the "free" line, they'll keep right on doing it. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:53:00 AM EDT
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People are going to learn either the easy way or the hard way, that the life blood of America, or any free society for that matter, is free enterprise and the wealth and cash flow it generates. The American fools that voted socialist with Obama obviously want to learn the hard way.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 10:56:19 AM EDT
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Well I would guess Ed is now wishing for "Hope & Change".
 He now knows what the saying "reaping what you've sown" means!  Dumb shit!
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:01:42 AM EDT
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A rising tide lifts all boats.
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:02:07 AM EDT
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I'm in a union, have been for a long time. We just heard that the company will be asking us to pay up to $90 per week for health care in the next contract.
The union is up in arms over this proposal, of course. I feel like telling the union that, well, you wanted Obummer and you got your wish. I sure as hell didn't vote for the guy. |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:02:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The 40 hour work week will be a thing of the past for anyone that works for a large business and is unskilled labor. The FSA only has themselves to thank as they asked for it. Now they will have to work 2 or more jobs, and buy their own health insurance. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. Negative. Many, many more people...people who never even considered going on welfare, will find that it's easier and cheaper to work 1 PT job and go on the .gov healthcare plan. How many people will say to themselves: So, I can work 50 hours/week, make less money than I did before, and pay more for health insurance? Or, I can work 25 hrs per week, get "free" health insurance, food stamps, cash benefits, utility assistance, huge EIC checks, and actually have more money in my pocket? Speed I wish it wasn't true, but sadly it is. The government has literally made it the rational choice to work less and leech off the producers in society. I've personally witnessed this exact scenario play out w/ single mothers. They work as much as they can w/o losing their benefits. They go to school and get degrees, hoping to find a professional enough position that will allow them to get off welfare, but the free healthcare, daycare, food stamps, cash assistance, housing vouchers, etc...make it almost impossible to transition to a full time job and still pay their bills. They basically need to find a $60k+ job w/ full medical and daycare right off the bat. They do not allow the mothers to get partial benefits in the daycare, housing, and healthcare areas to transition to working. I've seen women crying about this, ashamed to be on welfare, but trapped by it Speed Trapped by bad decisions. Let them cry. Let them feel shame. I'm paying for them to breed and until they cut out the "free" line, they'll keep right on doing it. Huh? You don't support welfare reform that allows those who want to work full time steps to do so?Are you familiar with the "Welfare Cliff"?  Speed |
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Posted: 2/14/2013 11:09:33 AM EDT
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The 40 hour work week will be a thing of the past for anyone that works for a large business and is unskilled labor. The FSA only has themselves to thank as they asked for it. Now they will have to work 2 or more jobs, and buy their own health insurance. I don't feel sorry for them one bit. Negative. Many, many more people...people who never even considered going on welfare, will find that it's easier and cheaper to work 1 PT job and go on the .gov healthcare plan.
How many people will say to themselves: So, I can work 50 hours/week, make less money than I did before, and pay more for health insurance? Or, I can work 25 hrs per week, get "free" health insurance, food stamps, cash benefits, utility assistance, huge EIC checks, and actually have more money in my pocket?
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I wish it wasn't true, but sadly it is. The government has literally made it the rational choice to work less and leech off the producers in society. I've personally witnessed this exact scenario play out w/ single mothers. They work as much as they can w/o losing their benefits. They go to school and get degrees, hoping to find a professional enough position that will allow them to get off welfare, but the free healthcare, daycare, food stamps, cash assistance, housing vouchers, etc...make it almost impossible to transition to a full time job and still pay their bills. They basically need to find a $60k+ job w/ full medical and daycare right off the bat. They do not allow the mothers to get partial benefits in the daycare, housing, and healthcare areas to transition to working. I've seen women crying about this, ashamed to be on welfare, but trapped by it
Speed Trapped by bad decisions. Let them cry. Let them feel shame. I'm paying for them to breed and until they cut out the "free" line, they'll keep right on doing it. Huh? You don't support welfare reform that allows those who want to work full time steps to do so?
Are you familiar with the "Welfare Cliff"? http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/11-2/welfare%20cliff.jpg Speed I know all about this "cliff". I know the system keeps the party of handouts in power. But for anyone on this type of handout, I simply don't feel sorry for any of them. |
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