They will just blame the richer and the job creators even more.

Honestly, I could GAF. We got into an argument where she accused me of being a hypocrite because I have .gov health care (Tricare.)

I told her its a perk/retainer benefit from my employer, who has the legal right to send me to my death. I know the deal, the employer knows the deal, its an arm's length contract. I also need to maintain fitness standards, training standards and other requirements just maintain my status. I asked her when I'd see her down at MEPS, or when BCBS would extend me employee benefits as some Joe Schome.

ETA: She's a lesbian whose hot-button issue is abortion. Kind of makes me go sometimes.

"If Bush hadn't been fighting two unjust wars and putting it on the credit card, we wouldn't have this problem"
"If Republicans would just compromise on revenue from millionaires and billionaires, making them pay their fair share, main street wouldn't be suffering"

This too shall be spun.

Also, I LOVE that these idiots are starting to realize that elections have consequences AND they will not be receiving free healthcare from mommy government like they thought they would.

Shit! I never thought of this.

Having to hire 2-3 part timers instead of 1 full time employee is really gonna make it look like Obama is the awesome and has fixed everything. Looking at the raw numbers, it is going to make the unemployment rate look like the best, fastest turn around ever.

Fuck em all.....stupid choices have consequences. A lot more companys will cut full timers and hire twice as many part timers just to avoid the cost of providing insurance. If they do offer insurance the cost will be so high most part timers will not be able to afford it. If I were a business owner I would tell them the truth....."BHO cuased this with his poor choices and if you don't like it call him. If you are not happy here leave...McD's is always hiring."  Lot of folks will learn what their employers really think about them now.

This.

I think you're generalizing.



Food stamps recipients have increased something like 60% in the past 4 years. You think every one of those people just decided to start gaming the system?



There are no numbers to show leaches vs. those genuinely down on their luck, but it's surely not a coincidence that the economy is poor and more folks start collecting entitlements.
Now, how many of those folks want to work, but will keep getting offered more crap NOT to work full time?



How many of those people might have already turned down full time work because our welfare system rewards minimal work effort?
Anyway, the point I'm making is that we can reduce entitlement spending by simply managing these programs in a way that incentives full time employment instead of penalizing it.
In 1990ish, my father lost his job as a warehouse manager/shipper. He collected partial unemployment and worked a job at a retail store. My mother went back to work and he worked as much as he could, but with a mortgage and a family, it still wasn't enough and we really struggled for a year or so. My mother told me she even tried to get us food stamps for that period, but because they were working we didn't qualify.



We were discussing this time a few years ago and he told me that he had sat down and figured out that had he not worked the part time job, he would have actually taken home something like another $20/week that he would have saved in taxes. He told me that the $20 would have really helped, but he couldn't bring himself to just NOT work...it just wasn't in his blood.
How many people, faced with a similar situation would tough it out and work...for less money?
That's the problem. We pay people to not work, or work little, then penalize them for working too much; there is no incentive to transition to full time employment. Ever.
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Yeah, I am generalizing a bit.

DUH!!

On a serious note, I think you have a better overall opinion of the FSA types than I do.

I hope you are right and I am wrong.

I bet you are right

Of course, he'll spout things like:

Increased Job "creation" numbers, "real wages are higher" and "we've added x amount of newly insured" on TV and say that their policies are working.

It's straight up Orwellian doublespeak. I can predict these things



Bookmark this thread and read it all again in mid 2014





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