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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:00:16 PM EST
http://www.dpmsinc.com/300-AAC-Blackout_ep_155-1.html

this looks f'in nice

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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:01:09 PM EST
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:02:05 PM EST
how much is 300 ammo and clips?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:02:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
how much is 300 ammo and clips?


i'll figure that out later

just wondering what people think about the rifle

ETA: i thought 300-AAC used regular 5.56 mags?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:08:18 PM EST
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Too bad it's not a real integral suppressor, like Daniel Defense is making.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:09:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Too bad it's not a real integrated suppressor, like Daniel Defense is making.


link? price?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:11:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By RacerX330:
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Too bad it's not a real integrated suppressor, like Daniel Defense is making.


link? price?


$3,200, plus the $200 tax.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/you-didnt-hear-this-coming-the-daniel-defense-isr-integrally-suppressed-rifle/

Not on their website yet.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:12:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Originally Posted By RacerX330:
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Too bad it's not a real integrated suppressor, like Daniel Defense is making.


link? price?


$3,200, plus the $200 tax.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/you-didnt-hear-this-coming-the-daniel-defense-isr-integrally-suppressed-rifle/

Not on their website yet.


holy fuck shit batman, jesus h christ! that's expensive.

ETA: not spending 3200 for that, even tho DD makes good rifles. DPMS is 1200.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:16:25 PM EST
Buy it now before the end of the month when the People's Republik of Minnesota shuts down DPMS..



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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:17:00 PM EST
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Pass on POS DPMS anything.


First post and all that.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:18:05 PM EST
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how much is 300 ammo and clips?


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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:19:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RacerX330:
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Too bad it's not a real integrated suppressor, like Daniel Defense is making.


link? price?


$3,200, plus the $200 tax.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/you-didnt-hear-this-coming-the-daniel-defense-isr-integrally-suppressed-rifle/

Not on their website yet.


great.
save 200 dollars so I can't use the can on anything else like a bolt action or 5.56?

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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:19:05 PM EST
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Buy it now before the end of the month when the People's Republik of Minnesota shuts down DPMS..



Thank you DPMS for testifying at the committee hearing today, I understand why we won't have Outbreak Omega this year.


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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:19:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
how much is 300 ammo and clips?


i'll figure that out later

just wondering what people think about the rifle

ETA: i thought 300-AAC used regular 5.56 mags?


It does. The only thing you need to change to shoot 300blk is your barrel. Everything else is the same.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:20:35 PM EST
There's always these guys:

http://libertysuppressors.com/leonidas.html

They also make integrated suppressed 300 BLK AR rifles, $2,000 for a complete rifle, $1,500 for the upper alone.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:22:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vanvideo:
There's always these guys:

http://libertysuppressors.com/leonidas.html

They also make integrated suppressed 300 BLK AR rifles, $2,000 for a complete rifle, $1,500 for the upper alone.


Still too much.

Is all that shit so expensive because 300 AAC is new and cool? The barrel isn't that much different right? Why would it be so much more expensive?
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:26:05 PM EST
Its integrally surpressed! That means it has a built in silencer, therefore the price difference!
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:28:21 PM EST
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Its integrally surpressed! That means it has a built in silencer, therefore the price difference!


Ah I see, i looked at the Leonidas too quickly thanks for correcting my error.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:30:53 PM EST
Curious how much heavier that is...
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:36:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
how much is 300 ammo and clips?


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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:37:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By RacerX330:
http://www.dpmsinc.com/300-AAC-Blackout_ep_155-1.html

this looks f'in nice

thoughts?


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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:42:35 PM EST
The reason I pointed out the DD ISR and the Leonidas is because of the integrally suppressed barrels. The barrel, with suppressor, is a legal 16", hence only one NFA tax stamp. I think that's a pretty big deal, especially since 300 BLK also comes as a sub sonic round, perfect for a suppressor.
The DPMS has a fake can.

If you don't need a suppressor, obviously you'll save a lot of money. But that's the only reason I'd consider 300 BLK over 5.56, as it's a more expensive round. 300 BLK is supposedly good for hog hunting.
And don't forget, you can use swap out the 300 BLK upper for a 5.56 upper anytime you want. The magazines and BCG are the same.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:44:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By RacerX330:
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
There's always these guys:

http://libertysuppressors.com/leonidas.html

They also make integrated suppressed 300 BLK AR rifles, $2,000 for a complete rifle, $1,500 for the upper alone.


Still too much.

Is all that shit so expensive because 300 AAC is new and cool? The barrel isn't that much different right? Why would it be so much more expensive?


in my opinion...let me say that one more time...in my opinion... the .300 AAC Blackout is not all that new, and is not all that cool.

Look up the .300 Whisper and J.D. Jones.

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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:46:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
The reason I pointed out the DD ISR and the Leonidas is because of the integrally suppressed barrels. The barrel, with suppressor, is a legal 16", hence only one NFA tax stamp. I think that's a pretty big deal, especially since 300 BLK also comes as a sub sonic round, perfect for a suppressor.
The DPMS has a fake can.

If you don't need a suppressor, obviously you'll save a lot of money. But that's the only reason I'd consider 300 BLK over 5.56, as it's a more expensive round. 300 BLK is supposedly good for hog hunting.
And don't forget, you can use swap out the 300 BLK upper for a 5.56 upper anytime you want. The magazines and BCG are the same.


A .300 BLK build seems like the perfect caliber for a "do it all" AR. Self defense, home defense, hunting, solid ballistics from a SBR, subsonic/supersonic versatility, compatibility with existing AR parts and mags, ammo cases, etc...

I think I may change one of my builds to a .300 BLK with a Leonidas upper once I get settled whenever I move.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:53:42 PM EST
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Look up the .300 Whisper and J.D. Jones.





Terrible salesman.

I had heard of the 300 whisper seemed ok.

AAC does some tweaks and then sells the shit out of it. Now I have one, so do lots of people. People are carrying barrels, uppers and ammo not one or two companies. Lots of them. Having a good idea and keeping to yourself or a couple others is a terrible business plan.

I was looking at a good intermediate cartridge without having to get some commie piece of shit or a bastard that should have been aborted (x39 ar's)
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Posted: 2/6/2013 6:59:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
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Look up the .300 Whisper and J.D. Jones.





Terrible salesman.

I had heard of the 300 whisper seemed ok.

AAC does some tweaks and then sells the shit out of it. Now I have one, so do lots of people. People are carrying barrels, uppers and ammo not one or two companies. Lots of them. Having a good idea and keeping to yourself or a couple others is a terrible business plan.

I was looking at a good intermediate cartridge without having to get some commie piece of shit or a bastard that should have been aborted (x39 ar's)


Had the internet been around circa1990 like it is today, J.D. Jones would have sold the shit out of the Whisper.

Not to mention how much the internet has disspelled all the gunshop bullshit you hear about suppressors, and filling out forms and getting it submitted to the ATF.



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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:02:03 PM EST

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how much is 300 ammo and clips?


Are you a gun doctor? No? Then shut the fuck up.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:02:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vanvideo:
The reason I pointed out the DD ISR and the Leonidas is because of the integrally suppressed barrels. The barrel, with suppressor, is a legal 16", hence only one NFA tax stamp. I think that's a pretty big deal, especially since 300 BLK also comes as a sub sonic round, perfect for a suppressor.
The DPMS has a fake can.

If you don't need a suppressor, obviously you'll save a lot of money. But that's the only reason I'd consider 300 BLK over 5.56, as it's a more expensive round. 300 BLK is supposedly good for hog hunting.
And don't forget, you can use swap out the 300 BLK upper for a 5.56 upper anytime you want. The magazines and BCG are the same.


Good point, having only one NFA stamp is an advantage. I like a suppressor to save my hearing.
Did you see option 3 where they put the suppressor on your upper assembly? 725, that's not too shabby.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:02:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By KarlRichter:
Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
Originally Posted By KarlRichter:


Look up the .300 Whisper and J.D. Jones.





Terrible salesman.

I had heard of the 300 whisper seemed ok.

AAC does some tweaks and then sells the shit out of it. Now I have one, so do lots of people. People are carrying barrels, uppers and ammo not one or two companies. Lots of them. Having a good idea and keeping to yourself or a couple others is a terrible business plan.

I was looking at a good intermediate cartridge without having to get some commie piece of shit or a bastard that should have been aborted (x39 ar's)


Had the internet been around circa1990 like it is today, J.D. Jones would have sold the shit out of the Whisper.

Not to mention how much the internet has disspelled all the gunshop bullshit you hear about suppressors, and filling out forms and getting it submitted to the ATF.





He's a very smart guy, he should have been hustling in the late 90's getting the product out.

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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:02:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By drkddl:
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
The reason I pointed out the DD ISR and the Leonidas is because of the integrally suppressed barrels. The barrel, with suppressor, is a legal 16", hence only one NFA tax stamp. I think that's a pretty big deal, especially since 300 BLK also comes as a sub sonic round, perfect for a suppressor.
The DPMS has a fake can.

If you don't need a suppressor, obviously you'll save a lot of money. But that's the only reason I'd consider 300 BLK over 5.56, as it's a more expensive round. 300 BLK is supposedly good for hog hunting.
And don't forget, you can use swap out the 300 BLK upper for a 5.56 upper anytime you want. The magazines and BCG are the same.


A .300 BLK build seems like the perfect caliber for a "do it all" AR. Self defense, home defense, hunting, solid ballistics from a SBR, subsonic/supersonic versatility, compatibility with existing AR parts and mags, ammo cases, etc...

I think I may change one of my builds to a .300 BLK with a Leonidas upper once I get settled whenever I move.


I tend to agree.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:03:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Originally Posted By RacerX330:
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Too bad it's not a real integrated suppressor, like Daniel Defense is making.


link? price?


$3,200, plus the $200 tax.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/you-didnt-hear-this-coming-the-daniel-defense-isr-integrally-suppressed-rifle/

Not on their website yet.


I know DD makes some good stuff, but that is a lot more money than I want to build one for. I'll wait for the panic to die down. Still undecided between perm attaching the suppressor or not.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:05:37 PM EST
can't buy 300 ammo ANYWHERE at the moment. Also, prices for ammo of 300AAC now exceed 5.56/223. Unless you are reloading and have the brass available, don't bother. I have a couple 300's, just sold one cause I can't find anything to put through it.

if anyone comes behind me and posts a link to available 300 ammo..... odds are its overpriced.... if it isn't.... i'll have it out of stock shortly.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:08:34 PM EST
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can't buy 300 ammo ANYWHERE at the moment. Also, prices for ammo of 300AAC now exceed 5.56/223. Unless you are reloading and have the brass available, don't bother. I have a couple 300's, just sold one cause I can't find anything to put through it.

if anyone comes behind me and posts a link to available 300 ammo..... odds are its overpriced.... if it isn't.... i'll have it out of stock shortly.


Yes but this will blow over. I'm not wanting to buy a 300 rifle just to use for a year. In a few years 300 will be easy and cheap to get. As far as I can remember, which is sometimes not that long lol, 300 has always been more expensive than 5.56. If i'm wrong don't hesitate to correct.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:13:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By RacerX330:
Originally Posted By tex7488:
can't buy 300 ammo ANYWHERE at the moment. Also, prices for ammo of 300AAC now exceed 5.56/223. Unless you are reloading and have the brass available, don't bother. I have a couple 300's, just sold one cause I can't find anything to put through it.

if anyone comes behind me and posts a link to available 300 ammo..... odds are its overpriced.... if it isn't.... i'll have it out of stock shortly.


Yes but this will blow over. I'm not wanting to buy a 300 rifle just to use for a year. In a few years 300 will be easy and cheap to get. As far as I can remember, which is sometimes not that long lol, 300 has always been more expensive than 5.56. If i'm wrong don't hesitate to correct.


It has been more expensive, but just barely. You could get really good plinking ammo for 12 a box and if you did bulk it was around .50/c a round. Everything I see is around $1.50.
I have one left now that is set up for home defense (SBR, Awaiting can, surefire, aimpoint) and it shoots like a wet dream, but I only have around 200 rounds stocked.
I have friends that reload and so I have a stack of bullets and hundreds of brass, but they can't get the primers. (I pay for my bullets, give them my brass, and pay them in beer for their time)
This will blow over, but in the mean time it sits in the closet since I don't want to use my small amount of ammo up in one range outing.
The problem is there are very few people actually manufacturing it and it is all online sales, you know this going into building or buying a 300, but it is really hard to stock up and have stuff saved for a rainy year.


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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:16:27 PM EST
and for the original post, if you build it yourself you can make a MUCH nicer one for much cheaper. I ran around 900$ for a high quality home build.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:23:43 PM EST
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and for the original post, if you build it yourself you can make a MUCH nicer one for much cheaper. I ran around 900$ for a high quality home build.


well hell why didn't you post it?

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/599327_300_AAC_Blackout.html
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:37:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Originally Posted By RacerX330:
Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Too bad it's not a real integrated suppressor, like Daniel Defense is making.


link? price?


$3,200, plus the $200 tax.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/you-didnt-hear-this-coming-the-daniel-defense-isr-integrally-suppressed-rifle/

Not on their website yet.


great.
save 200 dollars so I can't use the can on anything else like a bolt action or 5.56?

No thanks.


I think it would be a bitch to clean also.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 7:53:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By vanvideo:
Originally Posted By RacerX330:
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Too bad it's not a real integrated suppressor, like Daniel Defense is making.


link? price?


$3,200, plus the $200 tax.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2013/01/11/you-didnt-hear-this-coming-the-daniel-defense-isr-integrally-suppressed-rifle/

Not on their website yet.


great.
save 200 dollars so I can't use the can on anything else like a bolt action or 5.56?

No thanks.


I think it would be a bitch to clean also.


It's designed so the baffles can easily be removed to be cleaned, or so says the literature. It's a Daniel Defense gun, I do trust that company.
I like the ISR so much, I'm seriously considering selling almost all of my guns to get one. I think it's a great concept. I'm hoping the MSRP is higher than the actual street price, assuming the panic buying dies down.
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Posted: 2/6/2013 8:04:56 PM EST
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and for the original post, if you build it yourself you can make a MUCH nicer one for much cheaper. I ran around 900$ for a high quality home build.


well hell why didn't you post it?

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/599327_300_AAC_Blackout.html


because I'm too lazy to upload it to a hosting server, and am waiting to pay my taxes before buying a membership here.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 5:57:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By tex7488:
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Originally Posted By tex7488:
and for the original post, if you build it yourself you can make a MUCH nicer one for much cheaper. I ran around 900$ for a high quality home build.


well hell why didn't you post it?

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/599327_300_AAC_Blackout.html


because I'm too lazy to upload it to a hosting server, and am waiting to pay my taxes before buying a membership here.


just list the components
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Posted: 2/7/2013 5:58:09 AM EST
Would want if not for the panther.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 6:08:03 AM EST
Integrals are so 1990s... The performance of detachable suppressors have equaled or exceeded integrals, and you get way more versatility.
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