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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:22:36 AM
And doing a pretty good job.
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It's a story that needs to be retold so that maybe, just maybe, a few of these idiots will begin to understand what the .gov really is...
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Originally Posted By IowaRenegade:
It's a story that needs to be retold so that maybe, just maybe, a few of these idiots will begin to understand what the .gov really is...

Yep, everyone needs to know the truth about RR and Waco.
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He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.
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He broke the law/had it coming.





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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:47:42 AM

Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:48:09 AM
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He broke the law/had it coming.


BULLSHIT he was entrapped.
If he was so guilty why did the federal gov.end up paying him 3 mil.in damages. Real fuckimg guilty.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:50:30 AM

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He broke the law/had it coming.

You've really been picking up the slack for _A certain poster lately.

Did Vickie Weaver have it coming, too?
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If you ask your average American what happened at Ruby Ridge they will more than likely tell you something along the lines of it being about some gun-nut white supremacist prepper/survivalist anti-government hyper-religious militia type (because lets face it, that is how liberals/progressives view conservatives who "cling to their guns, religion, and outdated American values") living in some back hills cabin who started shooting at the authorities, resulting in a gun battle that killed his wife and son and eventual stand-off. To the average American, the FBI were the heroes in that incident, and Randy Weaver the bad guy. Ask the same Americans about Waco, and they will tell you it was a cult, lead by David Koresh, who were molesting children and the government (the heroes) went in to save the kids and people from the dangerous and evil cult leader (the bad guy).

My take away from those incidents? There are just enough men in government, in law enforcement, and in the military that even though they swore an oath to the Constitution and to protect the life and liberty of the citizens of this nation are more than willing to violate that oath and kill U.S. citizens for the pleasure of it, for the power it gives them, or for whatever reason. And when decision makers in power want to do evil things they don't need all the men in law enforcement or the military, or even a majority to carry out heir evil plans, just enough men who will do their bidding.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:53:21 AM
Originally Posted By godzillamax:
If you ask your average American what happened at Ruby Ridge they will more than likely tell you something along the lines of it being about some gun-nut white supremacist prepper/survivalist anti-government hyper-religious militia type (because lets face it, that is how liberals/progressives view conservatives who "cling to their guns, religion, and outdated American values") living in some back hills cabin who started shooting at the authorities, resulting in a gun battle that killed his wife and son and eventual stand-off. To the average American, the FBI were the heroes in that incident, and Randy Weaver the bad guy. Ask the same Americans about Waco, and they will tell you it was a cult, lead by David Koresh, who were molesting children and the government (the heroes) went in to save the kids and people from the dangerous and evil cult leader (the bad guy).


Not trying to hijack the thread, but what is the other Waco story?

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Is he crying again?
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Originally Posted By IowaRenegade:
It's a story that needs to be retold so that maybe, just maybe, a few of these idiots will begin to understand what the .gov really is...


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I expect we're going to hear more and more stories about right wing extremist selling buying trading whatever and raids conducted
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:54:07 AM
Originally Posted By macman37:
He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.


They are both racists.

But one seeks to opress and the other just wants to be left alone in his beliefs.

Neither garners respectability in itself, but the one that doesn't seek to actively harm another isn't perpetrating evil. I don't mind people who just want to be left alone no matter what their reason is.
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Is he crying again?


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Is he crying again?


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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:59:07 AM
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He broke the law/had it coming.


So I see, his wife, son & dog deserved to die because the FBI undercover guy talked him into cutting off a shotgun barrel by 1/4" too much???

Just let this be a reminder to anyone who thinks the .gov won't kill you and your family over nothing.

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Originally Posted By Hugo_Stiglitz:
Originally Posted By macman37:
He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.


They are both racists.

But one seeks to opress and the other just wants to be left alone in his beliefs.

Neither garners respectability in itself, but the one that doesn't seek to actively harm another isn't perpetrating evil. I don't mind people who just want to be left alone no matter what their reason is.


When a government is actively working to alter the foundations of its society to enslave control every man, woman, and child by dependency on the teat of the government, the biggest threat to achieving that goal are individuals who don't comply and just want to be left alone.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:00:48 AM
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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.


BULLSHIT he was entrapped.
If he was so guilty why did the federal gov.end up paying him 3 mil.in damages. Real fuckimg guilty.



Now convince the average American of that.



He did break the law. That is fact. But we are a nation of men and not laws.


And to borrow from RustedAce,

Florida has a "Stand your ground" law, yes or no?
Zimmerman is in jail, yes or no?


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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:00:57 AM

Originally Posted By Snake_driver:
Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.


So I see, his wife, son & dog deserved to die because the FBI undercover guy talked him into cutting off a shotgun barrel by 1/4" too much???

Just let this be a reminder to anyone who thinks the .gov won't kill you and your family over nothing.


Barrel wasn't too short. OAL was too short 'cause someone hacked a piece off the buttstock after Randy cut down the barrel.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:01:09 AM
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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.

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Originally Posted By godzillamax:
If you ask your average American what happened at Ruby Ridge they will more than likely tell you something along the lines of it being about some gun-nut white supremacist prepper/survivalist anti-government hyper-religious militia type (because lets face it, that is how liberals/progressives view conservatives who "cling to their guns, religion, and outdated American values") living in some back hills cabin who started shooting at the authorities, resulting in a gun battle that killed his wife and son and eventual stand-off. To the average American, the FBI were the heroes in that incident, and Randy Weaver the bad guy. Ask the same Americans about Waco, and they will tell you it was a cult, lead by David Koresh, who were molesting children and the government (the heroes) went in to save the kids and people from the dangerous and evil cult leader (the bad guy).

My take away from those incidents? There are just enough men in government, in law enforcement, and in the military that even though they swore an oath to the Constitution and to protect the life and liberty of the citizens of this nation are more than willing to violate that oath and kill U.S. citizens for the pleasure of it, for the power it gives them, or for whatever reason. And when decision makers in power want to do evil things they don't need all the men in law enforcement or the military, or even a majority to carry out heir evil plans, just enough men who will do their bidding.


Lots of truth here.

I would also submit that in addition to the pleasure, power, etc., there is a substantial amount of ass-covering that goes on. Team-mate screwed up? The rest of the team supports him and his story. "Of course he fired in self-defense!"

On a side note, I recently heard that Randy Weaver was a Green Beret. That was news to me, and it just adds another layer onto the stink.
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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.


Your username seems to describe you to a T
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Originally Posted By Hugo_Stiglitz:
Originally Posted By macman37:
He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.


They are both racists.

But one seeks to opress and the other just wants to be left alone in his beliefs.

Neither garners respectability in itself, but the one that doesn't seek to actively harm another isn't perpetrating evil. I don't mind people who just want to be left alone no matter what their reason is.

The truth is, his racial beliefs aren't really germane to his story with the government.
An undercover befriended him, convinced to him to chop down the undercover's shotgun 1/4" too short in overall length, then used that "crime" Randy Weaver was not even aware he committed, as leverage to turn him into an informant.

When he refused, the threats and legal BS started. You can read about the rest lots of places and decided if staying at home was the right thing to do given his circumstances...



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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.

You've really been picking up the slack for _A certain poster lately.

Did Vickie Weaver have it coming, too?


Recalibrate sarcasm meter, dude. And lighten up, francis.
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When a government is actively working to alter the foundations of its society to enslave control every man, woman, and child by dependency on the teat of the government, the biggest threat to achieving that goal are individuals who don't comply and just want to be left alone.


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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:05:09 AM
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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.


So I see, his wife, son & dog deserved to die because the FBI undercover guy talked him into cutting off a shotgun barrel by 1/4" too much???

Just let this be a reminder to anyone who thinks the .gov won't kill you and your family over nothing.


Barrel wasn't too short. OAL was too short 'cause someone hacked a piece off the buttstock after Randy cut down the barrel.


Interesting, I never heard that story before. That makes it even MORE wrong since Randy Weaver may not of had anything to do with it being too short overall.

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Is he a member here? It seems like every time we talk about something he talks about it a day or two later on his show.
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Originally Posted By Hugo_Stiglitz:
Originally Posted By macman37:
He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.


They are both racists.

But one seeks to opress and the other just wants to be left alone in his beliefs.

Neither garners respectability in itself, but the one that doesn't seek to actively harm another isn't perpetrating evil. I don't mind people who just want to be left alone no matter what their reason is.


Correct. I just used to marvel at the guys who tripped over themselves to say it was okay (which I suppose it is okay - you are free to be stupid) to be racist.

And I agree (edit: with you). Frankly I would like to live out in the sticks just because I don't really like anybody...
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ETA Lemme get a link to a company that does sarcasm meter recalibration. Too early in the morning for sarcasm, apparently.

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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
He broke the law/had it coming.

You've really been picking up the slack for _A certain poster lately.

Did Vickie Weaver have it coming, too?


Recalibrate sarcasm meter, dude. And lighten up, francis.


Maybe if you gave any indication in your post that it was sarcasm...
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I knew we would get a RR thread this week.

I remember the thread I did on RR a few years ago very well Dave_A went full retard in it..
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Barrel wasn't too short. OAL was too short 'cause someone hacked a piece off the buttstock after Randy cut down the barrel.

That's my understanding
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Originally Posted By VA-gunnut:
I knew we would get a RR thread this week.

I remember the thread I did on RR a few years ago very well Dave_A went full retard in it..

Is that the one that led to him getting banned?
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Barrel wasn't too short. OAL was too short 'cause someone hacked a piece off the buttstock after Randy cut down the barrel.

That's my understanding


I'd love to see some documentation on this. I'd always heard the barrel was cut a little short. If this is true, it makes the whole story even more damning.
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He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.


Today I learned it's ok for the government to murder the son and the wife of people who have beliefs we disagree with.
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It bears re-mentioning at this point, that H-S Precision had no problem hiring that cocksucker Lon Horiuchi that shot Vicki Weaver.

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Is he crying again?


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I thought Glenn made Lon Hariouchi part sound like he accidentally missed and hit Weavers wife in the face. I had never heard it this way before.
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He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.


Today I learned it's ok for the government to murder the son and the wife of people who have beliefs we disagree with.


...And no, it's not... I hope you didn't get that from my post.
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I thought Glenn made Lon Hariouchi part sound like he accidentally missed and hit Weavers wife in the face. I had never heard it this way before.

Missed what? The baby?
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I knew we would get a RR thread this week.


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The senate hearings are on youtube. Such a fucked up situation. The government even apologizes.


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Originally Posted By macman37:
He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.


Today I learned it's ok for the government to murder the son and the wife of people who have beliefs we disagree with.


...And no, it's not... I hope you didn't get that from my post.


Partially, although I was fairly certain you didn't mean it that way.

A lot of people, in the past, have used Randy Weaver's racism and loose associations with racist organizations to justify his son being shot in the back and his wife being shot in the face by Federal agents.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:33:59 AM
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Originally Posted By xmission:
I thought Glenn made Lon Hariouchi part sound like he accidentally missed and hit Weavers wife in the face. I had never heard it this way before.

Missed what? The baby?
(I'm not listening)


Speed


Horiuchi didn't 'accidentally miss' shit. That worthless murdering fuck did it on purpose and then claimed he was trying to hit Harris, regardless of what the .gov wants you to believe.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:41:11 AM
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He did a pretty good job. Though I kept hearing the voices of Arfcommers from the old days in my head bleating "Weaver was a white SEPARATIST, not supremacist!!!!!!!!"

Because evidently there is a huge distinction.


Today I learned it's ok for the government to murder the son and the wife of people who have beliefs we disagree with.


They were made examples of, so others who think the same way will change their tune. Imagine if in today's America a few guys named Washington, Henry, Adams, Jay, etal. decided they wanted to break from the oppressive taxes of the current government and form their own nation what would happen to them. They would be made examples of. They would be charged with some petty crime as an excuse to bring to bear the might and power of the federal government against them, and the complicit media would tell a one-sided story so the masses could be kept ill-informed so they wouldn't rally to the revolutionaries cause. And when Washington, Henry, Adams, etal. and some of their families are either killed violently, or imprisoned for life, it would serve as an example for others. This is how a modern westernized nation controls its dissenters, its rugged individuals who just want to be left alone, and any who dare not conform.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:41:22 AM
Originally Posted By eventide451:
Originally Posted By speedracer422:

Originally Posted By xmission:
I thought Glenn made Lon Hariouchi part sound like he accidentally missed and hit Weavers wife in the face. I had never heard it this way before.

Missed what? The baby?
(I'm not listening)


Speed


Horiuchi didn't 'accidentally miss' shit. That worthless murdering fuck did it on purpose and then claimed he was trying to hit Harris, regardless of what the .gov wants you to believe.


It was a hell of a shot for a miss.
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