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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:53:14 AM EDT
what all calibers did these revolvers come in? i have one here with no caliber markings on it.. .38spl is too big, 32-20win is quite loose in the cylinder..what else could it be?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 11:56:43 AM EDT
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Pics? Or at least what does it look like a clone of? Might be 8mm Lebel.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:04:04 PM EDT
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Pics? Or at least what does it look like a clone of? Might be 8mm Lebel. picture added...sideways 
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:09:08 PM EDT
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.38 S&W? Shorter than .38 Spl. and the case has a slightly larger diameter.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:12:20 PM EDT
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.38 S&W? Shorter than .38 Spl. and the case has a slightly larger diameter. .38spl is already too big diameter wise..im starting to think its 32-20 and its just more loose then i think it should be...the chambers in the cylinder are tapered.. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:12:41 PM EDT
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Bore diameter?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:16:58 PM EDT
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.38 S&W? Shorter than .38 Spl. and the case has a slightly larger diameter. .38spl is already too big diameter wise..im starting to think its 32-20 and its just more loose then i think it should be...the chambers in the cylinder are tapered.. Possible. Chambers might have started out a bit out of spec, and that revolver has a few miles on it. I couldn't find much in any reference that I have. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:19:06 PM EDT
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Couple of things...
In that era in Spain, it was the wild west of manufacturing (ergo copies). Eibar is a place, and while there may have been an official 'Eibar' company, it generally is the name given to anything that comes out of the non top tier manufacturers of that region. This especially applied to .32 pistols, as many workshops were cranking out similar products. It was the 'Paki-made' of the 1930s. Some were terrible quality, and on the other end of the spectrum some were barely adequate. I believe this logic also applied to S&W Revolver copies. Most were not unsafe since the chamberings were generally weak, just substandard. Try .38 S&W... .32 Long |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:20:19 PM EDT
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Bore diameter? no way to measure..definitely has some muzzle erosion, all of the bullet and the case mouth will just fit inside... |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:23:26 PM EDT
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Couple of things... In that era in Spain, it was the wild west of manufacturing (ergo copies). Eibar is a place, and while there may have been an official 'Eibar' company, it generally is the name given to anything that comes out of the non top tier manufacturers of that region. This especially applied to .32 pistols, as many workshops were cranking out similar products. It was the 'Paki-made' of the 1930s. Some were terrible quality, and on the other end of the spectrum some were barely adequate. I believe this logic also applied to S&W Revolver copies. Most were not unsafe since there chamberings were generally weak, just substandard. Try .38 S&W... .32 Long according to wiki, .32 long is even smaller diameter than .32-20 |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:24:46 PM EDT
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Bore diameter? This is probably the most useful thing. I'd say that 32-20, 7.5 Nagant and 8mm Lebel are the biggest possibilities. I would expect 32-20 to be the smallest bore size of those. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:28:33 PM EDT
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Bore diameter? This is probably the most useful thing. I'd say that 32-20, 7.5 Nagant and 8mm Lebel are the biggest possibilities. I would expect 32-20 to be the smallest bore size of those. 7.5 nagant? 7.62 nagant? |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:29:16 PM EDT
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.38 S&W? Shorter than .38 Spl. and the case has a slightly larger diameter. .38spl is already too big diameter wise..im starting to think its 32-20 and its just more loose then i think it should be...the chambers in the cylinder are tapered.. Might also be .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long or .32 Colt caliber. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:30:15 PM EDT
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the writing on top of the barrel is "arizmendi zulaica y cia-eibar (espana)"
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:31:12 PM EDT
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You have an Spanish copy of a S&W in 8mm Label
What do i win? 
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:32:50 PM EDT
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Bore diameter? This is probably the most useful thing. I'd say that 32-20, 7.5 Nagant and 8mm Lebel are the biggest possibilities. I would expect 32-20 to be the smallest bore size of those. 7.5 nagant? 7.62 nagant? No, 7.5 Nagant. 7.5 Nagant was the caliber Swede Nagants were chambered in. Belgian Nagants were in 9mm Nagant. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:38:40 PM EDT
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You have an Spanish copy of a S&W in 8mm Label What do i win? do you know the case dimensions for 8mm label? |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:38:58 PM EDT
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Two words....light loads.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:40:16 PM EDT
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The caliber should be stamped on the right side of the barrel. Could always try acid etching to reveal the worn off markings.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:41:49 PM EDT
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You have an Spanish copy of a S&W in 8mm Label What do i win? comparing it to .32-20 
id say if the cylinder was for 8mm then the .32-20 would stick out the end(which it doesnt) |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:43:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8mm_French_OrdnanceQuoted: You have an Spanish copy of a S&W in 8mm Label What do i win? do you know the case dimensions for 8mm label? It's feasible..., but if true it would be a France or Africa bound gun that somehow got here... |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:43:48 PM EDT
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Two words....light loads. not mine, a friend of mine gave it to me to find out what caliber, came with a box of .32-20, one of which is fired, fired case looks alright...the box of ammo is winchester super x 32-20 win 100gr lead target/range... |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:57:49 PM EDT
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heres a pic of the chambers..does that "ring" make it for 8mm lebel? since thats about where the case mouth would end up i think..
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:11:33 PM EDT
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I would say it's 38 long colt possibly.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:21:55 PM EDT
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I would say it's 38 long colt possibly. diameter too big to go in the cylinder...my friend picked it up from a guy that didnt know what caliber it was, somebody told him it was .32-20, but .32-20 hasnt been fired in it...i told him not to shoot it till we find out for sure..im leaning towards 8mm french ordnance now..are the bullet diameters different enough that the .32-20 would be loose all the way down an 8mm barrel?? 7.94mm vs. 8.38mm.. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:34:22 PM EDT
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Based on the symbol on the grips, this appears to be an Orbea Hermanos revolver. Orbea had a contract with the French Army during WWI to produce revolvers in 8mm French Ordnance. They were issued as a substitute standard for the French Lebel revolvers. Quite possible that yours is one of them, given the lanyard ring mount.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:47:06 PM EDT
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I handled on of these in 32-20 a week ago. There is no way in hell I would even shoot light loads in it. These Spanish POSs are dangerous.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:51:51 PM EDT
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Based on the symbol on the grips, this appears to be an Orbea Hermanos revolver. Orbea had a contract with the French Army during WWI to produce revolvers in 8mm French Ordnance. They were issued as a substitute standard for the French Lebel revolvers. Quite possible that yours is one of them, given the lanyard ring mount. looking online, the symbol is different from what im seeing for orbea hermanos.. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 3:53:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Two words....light loads Wall Hanger. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 4:14:50 PM EDT
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Based on the symbol on the grips, this appears to be an Orbea Hermanos revolver. Orbea had a contract with the French Army during WWI to produce revolvers in 8mm French Ordnance. They were issued as a substitute standard for the French Lebel revolvers. Quite possible that yours is one of them, given the lanyard ring mount. looking online, the symbol is different from what im seeing for orbea hermanos.. Could also be Arizmendi Zulaica y Cia. They made revolvers for the same French contract. The maker should be marked on the barrel unless it's been removed. Is the barrel 6 groove, right hand twist? |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:18:35 PM EDT
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Based on the symbol on the grips, this appears to be an Orbea Hermanos revolver. Orbea had a contract with the French Army during WWI to produce revolvers in 8mm French Ordnance. They were issued as a substitute standard for the French Lebel revolvers. Quite possible that yours is one of them, given the lanyard ring mount. looking online, the symbol is different from what im seeing for orbea hermanos.. Could also be Arizmendi Zulaica y Cia. They made revolvers for the same French contract. The maker should be marked on the barrel unless it's been removed. Is the barrel 6 groove, right hand twist? Quoted:
the writing on top of the barrel is "arizmendi zulaica y cia-eibar (espana)" and yes it appears to be 6 groove RH twist.. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 5:23:06 PM EDT
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Bingo! You have what is referred to as a "Modele 92 Espagnol". As I said, these were produced under a French Army contract during WWI and are all 8mm French Ordnance. They have two defining features - the lanyard ring and the 6 groove rh twist barrel, identical to the Modele 1892 Ordnance revolver.
These were not badly made and if the revolver is in good working order, is quite safe to fire with commercial 8mm French Ordnance ammunition. Current production ammo is rather downloaded due to typical US lawyer concerns. |
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Posted: 1/29/2013 8:07:48 AM EDT
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Bingo! You have what is referred to as a "Modele 92 Espagnol". As I said, these were produced under a French Army contract during WWI and are all 8mm French Ordnance. They have two defining features - the lanyard ring and the 6 groove rh twist barrel, identical to the Modele 1892 Ordnance revolver. These were not badly made and if the revolver is in good working order, is quite safe to fire with commercial 8mm French Ordnance ammunition. Current production ammo is rather downloaded due to typical US lawyer concerns. thanks for the info, what groove and twist would the barrels be in other calibers? and is that ridge in the chambers i showed a picture of above consistent with the 8mm cartridge? |
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