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Posted: 10/27/2013 1:25:48 AM EST
shit 12.5 sec is the gap to Webber

I guess this means Webber will not take his win after all. Vettel is GTG to the end

that is a shame
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Posted: 10/27/2013 1:28:54 AM EST
I have the feeling Vettel will stop one more time
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Posted: 10/27/2013 1:30:40 AM EST
Alonso and Ferraris strategies are plain
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Posted: 10/27/2013 1:34:32 AM EST
Webbers out.. LoL what a coincidence
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Posted: 10/27/2013 1:35:28 AM EST
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that is just a f... up mess

what a shame

I guess he has to dial down now otherwise he will also break down

that can get interesting

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Posted: 10/27/2013 1:36:17 AM EST
I guess he has to dial down now otherwise he will also break down
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Posted: 10/27/2013 1:40:39 AM EST
It's fucking insane that Ferrari didn't stop massa before Rosberg.. That would have kept both Mercedes behind him until the end..

Someone really sucks at Ferrari for strategies
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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:00:47 AM EST
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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:03:09 AM EST
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It's 2-3 GP that we know that Vettel is world champion. It's not like there is some kind of suspense lol

Congratulations to him

Hats off
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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:03:55 AM EST
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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:05:29 AM EST
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could can still break down but not likely

so the next three races he can just stay home and party but knowing him he will just keep on winning but perhaps Webber will have better luck in the next few races

WOW he did it

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4th time for him that is just unbelievable

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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:06:23 AM EST
Rosberg 2nd and impressive for Grojean to be 3rd starting from what 17th - not bad what a turn around for him

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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:09:07 AM EST
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could can still break down but not likely

so the next three races he can just stay home and party but knowing him he will just keep on winning but perhaps Webber will have better luck in the next few races

WOW he did it

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4th time for him that is just unbelievable

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It's 2-3 GP that we know that Vettel is world champion. It's not like there is some kind of suspense lol



could can still break down but not likely

so the next three races he can just stay home and party but knowing him he will just keep on winning but perhaps Webber will have better luck in the next few races

WOW he did it

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4th time for him that is just unbelievable



Even if he could/can/ break etc in every remaining GP, it would have still required Alonso to win 4 times in a row to catch him.. Which wasnt going to happen with Mercedes and lotus performance in this season finale.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 2:23:51 AM EST
apparently Newey has now 9 Championships under his name - that is really crazy

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Yep. Most impressive.

I think vettel can not thank him enough

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Yep. Most impressive.

I think vettel can not thank him enough

Red bulls superiority today, was like in Singapore, embarassing
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Yep. Most impressive.

I think vettel can not thank him enough

Red bulls superiority today, was like in Singapore, embarassing



I would love to meet him and just talk to him it must be quite an experience to be able to do that.

I wonder what will happen now that essentially two of his top guys are leaving - one after this season and the other after next season.

both are heading to McLaren.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 4:30:18 AM EST
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I think Grosjean is going to surprise a lot of people next year.
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Posted: 10/27/2013 9:04:23 AM EST
Interesting that Vettel was being told to save the battery but could still make a cool down lap and burn some doughnuts. Yet they made Webber pull over immediately, to gain what? Not like they'll gain anything with next years engine by figuring out what's wrong with an alternator they won't be using next year.

Vettel got his Fourth Championship, he was clearly fastest in this race. Too bad his victory is colored by more questions about the team's treatment of Webber.

Grosjean is really coming on as a driver. There is clearly a coming changing of the guard. Too bad the team got Kimi's tires wrong again.

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Posted: 10/27/2013 10:35:54 AM EST
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However, when asked by the Spanish sports daily AS if he would have won four titles at the wheel of Vettel's Red Bull, Briton Hamilton answered: "I can't really say.

"It would be foolish of me to say that. But what is clear to me is that if Fernando (Alonso) had been in that car ... he would be far beyond where Vettel is now. He would have won even more easily," added Hamilton.
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Hrmm, Webber drops out Vettel wins, what a shocker. Red Bull needs to find a new script in fixing their races, this one is getting old.

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Posted: 10/27/2013 3:38:17 PM EST
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Yep. Most impressive.

I think vettel can not thank him enough

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Yep. Most impressive.

I think vettel can not thank him enough

Red bulls superiority today, was like in Singapore, embarassing

There's something embarrassing here, but it's not Red Bull.
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Hamilton must just be a Ferrari fan boy.

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/hamilton-alonso-would-do-better-in-vettels-car


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However, when asked by the Spanish sports daily AS if he would have won four titles at the wheel of Vettel's Red Bull, Briton Hamilton answered: "I can't really say.

"It would be foolish of me to say that. But what is clear to me is that if Fernando (Alonso) had been in that car ... he would be far beyond where Vettel is now. He would have won even more easily," added Hamilton.

Hamilton must just be a Ferrari fan boy.

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/hamilton-alonso-would-do-better-in-vettels-car


Congrats to Red Bull on their 4th straight championship.
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At least Vettel actually raced for two mid-field teams before getting to the top, instead of having it handed to him.
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Oh seriously, fuck Hamilton, fucking whiny bitch prick. He's just sad he doesn't get a big ole load of Ron Dennis in the ass anymore.

At least Vettel actually raced for two mid-field teams before getting to the top, instead of having it handed to him.
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However, when asked by the Spanish sports daily AS if he would have won four titles at the wheel of Vettel's Red Bull, Briton Hamilton answered: "I can't really say.

"It would be foolish of me to say that. But what is clear to me is that if Fernando (Alonso) had been in that car ... he would be far beyond where Vettel is now. He would have won even more easily," added Hamilton.

Hamilton must just be a Ferrari fan boy.

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/hamilton-alonso-would-do-better-in-vettels-car


Congrats to Red Bull on their 4th straight championship.
Oh seriously, fuck Hamilton, fucking whiny bitch prick. He's just sad he doesn't get a big ole load of Ron Dennis in the ass anymore.

At least Vettel actually raced for two mid-field teams before getting to the top, instead of having it handed to him.

What is he whining about? He was complimenting another driver (who he historically doesn't get along with).

And Hamilton won his GP2 championship before going to F1, he wasn't handed anything.
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I see no reason to doubt that Vettel will win the balance of the races this season. Let's hope next year is more competitive at the top...


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It was ridiculous! Reminded me of the Chinese Olympics several years ago.

But hey... the REALLY important thing is that the U.S. (with a fraction of the population of those countries) puts several thousand more electric cars on the road every year. That's gonna offset the STOOPID amounts of pollution generated by 3rd world behemoths.
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Blah blah blah Vettel only wins because of the care blah blah blah.

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Yep. Most impressive.

I think vettel can not thank him enough

Red bulls superiority today, was like in Singapore, embarassing

Blah blah blah Vettel only wins because of the care blah blah blah.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/image/863772/1382875179000/large16x9/768/432/sebastian-vettel-india-gp.jpg


You must be blind to not see how the red bull is superior to other cars in the paddock since spa.. It doesn't say Vettel is not good. But he also has by far, the best car on track. Like webber, most of the times,

Btw, I congratulated Vettel for his 4th title earlier in this thread.
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There's something embarrassing here, but it's not Red Bull.
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apparently Newey has now 9 Championships under his name - that is really crazy



Yep. Most impressive.

I think vettel can not thank him enough

Red bulls superiority today, was like in Singapore, embarassing

There's something embarrassing here, but it's not Red Bull.


I didn't say red bull was embarrassing. I said their superiority was embarrassing, probably to other teams..

The currents rules were put in place to avoid one team's embarrassing superiority, and the only thing they have done is making sure such superiority is even harder to contrast mid season..

And if you don't see how the red bull is that much superior to other cars for at least 6 races, well... Webber and Vettel Sunday were racing only themselves.


The only thing I'm pissed about this season was the change in tires.. Before that. Teams that were emerging as best were Ferrari and Lotus.. The change in tires totally screwed their car project and development. And it happened because Red Bull and Mercedes whined about it from season begin up to Barcelona, after what Pirelli (under FIA approval) changed the basic compound.. And later they even changed the structure.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 4:24:03 AM EST
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LOL... some of this whiny shit reminds me of FSA dogma. Why don't the other teams STEP-UP and make some shit happen???

"They're winning all the time and it's just NOT FAIR!!! Someone needs to find-out what's going-on and put a stop to it!"

For the record... I've got NO problem with the other teams stepping-up and winning. Because that's racing! I still root for Valentino Rossi in every MotoGP race. But Honda and the likes of Marc Marquez and Dani Pedrosa are just too damn good. It is what it is. Doesn't make me bitter.
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Hrmm, Webber drops out Vettel wins, what a shocker. Red Bull needs to find a new script in fixing their races, this one is getting old.



LOL... some of this whiny shit reminds me of FSA dogma. Why don't the other teams STEP-UP and make some shit happen???

"They're winning all the time and it's just NOT FAIR!!! Someone needs to find-out what's going-on and put a stop to it!"

For the record... I've got NO problem with the other teams stepping-up and winning. Because that's racing! I still root for Valentino Rossi in every MotoGP race. But Honda and the likes of Marc Marquez and Dani Pedrosa are just too damn good. It is what it is. Doesn't make me bitter.


Rules make it so that if you don't have a genius who guess the car at season's start, it's really hard to improve and reverse "values" ...

This year, the only reason teams like Mercedes and Sauber were able to greatly improve, was the drastic change in tires mid season. Red Bull also beneficiated from this this, even though they had less problems than others, before.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 4:26:23 AM EST
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"They're winning all the time and it's just NOT FAIR!!! Someone needs to find-out what's going-on and put a stop to it!"
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Btw.. That's exactly what happened when Ferrari and Schumacher were dominating four years in a row.. They changed almost every known rules in F1 (single tires for the race. No refuel, no more private testing, limited engines, limited gear boxes etc) to stop them.... And it worked. They claim it was for financial reasons but it's bs... Budgets are even higher now with the need of wind galleries and complex simulators.


ANYWAY, congrats to Vettel and RedBull for this 4th title ! Both deserve it.

Looking forward to next season, hoping that teams like. Ferrari, McLaren or even Lotus will be able to guess a good car project from seasons start, and that the FIA won't mess with any parameter mid season
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:21:46 AM EST
Was Kimi's setting of the fastest lap at the end a kind of "fuck you" or a "I might as well win something?"
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Posted: 10/29/2013 6:23:51 AM EST
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Was Kimi's setting of the fastest lap at the end a kind of "fuck you" or a "I might as well win something?"
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:17:21 AM EST
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Was Kimi's setting of the fastest lap at the end a kind of "fuck you" or a "I might as well win something?"

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Oh damn. He mad.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 7:56:38 AM EST
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That., and his tires were completely toast anyway
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:01:29 AM EST
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That., and his tires were completely toast anyway
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Was Kimi's setting of the fastest lap at the end a kind of "fuck you" or a "I might as well win something?"


That., and his tires were completely toast anyway
He only lost one spot by coming in, I think. And he might have lost it anyway. I'm not sure about that, but that was my take.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:03:15 AM EST
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That., and his tires were completely toast anyway
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Was Kimi's setting of the fastest lap at the end a kind of "fuck you" or a "I might as well win something?"


That., and his tires were completely toast anyway


I mean as far as going back to softs instead of mediums so he could eek out that last lap.
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Posted: 10/29/2013 9:06:22 AM EST
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Btw.. That's exactly what happened when Ferrari and Schumacher were dominating four years in a row.. They changed almost every known rules in F1 (single tires for the race. No refuel, no more private testing, limited engines, limited gear boxes etc) to stop them.... And it worked. They claim it was for financial reasons but it's bs... Budgets are even higher now with the need of wind galleries and complex simulators.


ANYWAY, congrats to Vettel and RedBull for this 4th title ! Both deserve it.

Looking forward to next season, hoping that teams like. Ferrari, McLaren or even Lotus will be able to guess a good car project from seasons start, and that the FIA won't mess with any parameter mid season
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Originally Posted By Shung:
"They're winning all the time and it's just NOT FAIR!!! Someone needs to find-out what's going-on and put a stop to it!"


Btw.. That's exactly what happened when Ferrari and Schumacher were dominating four years in a row.. They changed almost every known rules in F1 (single tires for the race. No refuel, no more private testing, limited engines, limited gear boxes etc) to stop them.... And it worked. They claim it was for financial reasons but it's bs... Budgets are even higher now with the need of wind galleries and complex simulators.


ANYWAY, congrats to Vettel and RedBull for this 4th title ! Both deserve it.

Looking forward to next season, hoping that teams like. Ferrari, McLaren or even Lotus will be able to guess a good car project from seasons start, and that the FIA won't mess with any parameter mid season
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At the end of the day... I'm cool with the best driver and team winning. I certainly have my favorites... but accept that the winners are the winners in any and all sports that I follow. I've HATED the New England Patriots for many years with a white hot passion... but had to accept that they were the best team in the NFL in the years that they dominated (some of their scandals and "cheating" notwithstanding).

I'll admit that some of the stuff that's happened to Weber this year has been completely and it's bothered me. But despite the fact that Vettel is their obvious favored "child" (a fact that I have no problem with since he's been the real contender) I do like Weber and think that certainly in some ways he got a "raw deal" (said favortism, luck, etc).
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Posted: 10/29/2013 1:32:20 PM EST
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So rumor is rampant the Ross Brawn is leaving Mercedes at the end of the year. Should be interesting on what kind of impact this has on the team come next year.

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There has been much speculation over Brawn's future this year after Mercedes' new executive director Toto Wolff brought in McLaren technical director Paddy Lowe with a view to him becoming team principal in future.

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Was Kimi's setting of the fastest lap at the end a kind of "fuck you" or a "I might as well win something?"

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Posted: 10/29/2013 3:49:53 PM EST
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So rumor is rampant the Ross Brawn is leaving Mercedes at the end of the year. Should be interesting on what kind of impact this has on the team come next year.

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Last rumor I heard had him going to McLaren at some point due to his Honda connections.

ETA: Looks like they are talking about him heading to Honda now.
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Last rumor I heard had him going to McLaren at some point due to his Honda connections.

ETA: Looks like they are talking about him heading to Honda now.
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So rumor is rampant the Ross Brawn is leaving Mercedes at the end of the year. Should be interesting on what kind of impact this has on the team come next year.

<­a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorsport/story/132469.html" target="_blank">Brawn set to leave Mercedes at end of season


Ross Brawn will leave Mercedes at the end of this season, according to the BBC's Eddie Jordan.

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Last rumor I heard had him going to McLaren at some point due to his Honda connections.

ETA: Looks like they are talking about him heading to Honda now.



that is what is going through the German press. I like him and I am sure he will be a great asset to McLaren.
I wish him all the best.He has what it takes to make them great again. McLaren is really going after some great talent.
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Posted: 10/30/2013 3:02:38 AM EST
McLaren/Honda headed up by Brawn with an Alonso/Button pairing would be strong.
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I would have like to have seen them dump Perez and take on Hulkenburg.
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actually makes sense since I can not see him and Kimi getting along much

Alonso will stay one year and when Honda arrives boom he will move to McLaren. He has been there before and that is a plus on his side. And since Nancey is gone this should be a good thing for him.

I am not a big fan of these two drivers but I sure like Brawn and if he goes I will pay more attention to McLaren that is for sure.

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Posted: 10/30/2013 5:37:25 AM EST
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I would have like to have seen them dump Perez and take on Hulkenburg.
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McLaren/Honda headed up by Brawn with an Alonso/Button pairing would be strong.


I would have like to have seen them dump Perez and take on Hulkenburg.


I agree with you - they should have done that from day one now Hulkenberg is going potentially to Lotus and if he shines there he will stay would be my guess for a while. They just have to get the money side sorted out.

Hulkenberg and Grojean would make a good young team.

I still can not believe how Grojean has turned around from master of disaster to all these podium finishes.

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Posted: 10/30/2013 5:54:30 AM EST
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I would have like to have seen them dump Perez and take on Hulkenburg.
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McLaren/Honda headed up by Brawn with an Alonso/Button pairing would be strong.


I would have like to have seen them dump Perez and take on Hulkenburg.

I agree, Hulkenburg has been showing some good talent for quite a while. He really needs a spot on a top team.


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actually makes sense since I can not see him and Kimi getting along much

Alonso will stay one year and when Honda arrives boom he will move to McLaren. He has been there before and that is a plus on his side. And since Nancey is gone this should be a good thing for him.

I am not a big fan of these two drivers but I sure like Brawn and if he goes I will pay more attention to McLaren that is for sure.

I think Alonso enjoys wearing Ferrari's colors, if Ferrari can give him a decent car I think it would be hard for him to leave. Him and Kimi might work out better than people think.
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