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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:34:29 AM EST
Looks to be extremely sweet if the pricing is similar to .17 HMR. It's developed from a necked down nailgun charge. Capable of firing a 20gr bullet at over 3000fps. Would be even more awesome in a AR platform.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/01/worlds-fastest-rimfire-round-winchester-17-super-magnum

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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:40:23 AM EST
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:42:44 AM EST
as a fan of the 17HMR I MUST HAVE THIS
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:43:02 AM EST
I love .17 Hummer, the WSM version might be super fucking awesome!

Also, anyone shot this new(er) Adams Arms .17 Hummer AR platform? I would love to give that a go...not for 1200.00, though!
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:44:42 AM EST
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*Supposedly* the cost will be same or lower than 17hmr

400ftlbs of kenetic energy.

Supersonic till about 325yds, only 26 inches of drop at 300yds!
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:49:24 AM EST
Hmm... I've never shot a .17HMR and I was thinking about getting one in the next few months. I think I'll wait and see how this plays out.


Originally Posted By Shockergd:
*Supposedly* the cost will be same or lower than 17hmr


The full review says it will cost a bit more.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/01/worlds-fastest-rimfire

But still sounds like a good deal for the performance.



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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:53:43 AM EST
I hear a lot of talk about the .17HMR and other new whizbang rimfires, but I just can't get interested. Ammo is $12/50, or more, and outside of the current panic I could get blasting ammo for an AR for that price, or for double that cost I could get good ammo for an AR.

If I want 'cheap' I can always use a .22lr. Out to ~150 yards or so a .22lr will do what I want to do with a rimfire, but past that I'll take a centerfire every day. I did shoot my dad's .17 a few times....meh. Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.

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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:55:27 AM EST
I would love a .22 super magnum priced lower than .22 mag.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:57:47 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Shockergd:
*Supposedly* the cost will be same or lower than 17hmr

400ftlbs of kenetic energy.

Supersonic till about 325yds, only 26 inches of drop at 300yds!



Can you post the source of this please? You have my attention


ETA: skip it, I found it. That would make a fantastic pistol round...
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Posted: 1/19/2013 10:58:27 AM EST
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I hear a lot of talk about the .17HMR and other new whizbang rimfires, but I just can't get interested. Ammo is $12/50, or more, and outside of the current panic I could get blasting ammo for an AR for that price, or for double that cost I could get good ammo for an AR.

If I want 'cheap' I can always use a .22lr. Out to ~150 yards or so a .22lr will do what I want to do with a rimfire, but past that I'll take a centerfire every day. I did shoot my dad's .17 a few times....meh. Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.



I call BS on you getting 50 rounds of 223 for $12
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:00:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.



The "practical application" might just be the first word in that sentence.

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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:02:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I hear a lot of talk about the .17HMR and other new whizbang rimfires, but I just can't get interested. Ammo is $12/50, or more, and outside of the current panic I could get blasting ammo for an AR for that price, or for double that cost I could get good ammo for an AR.

If I want 'cheap' I can always use a .22lr. Out to ~150 yards or so a .22lr will do what I want to do with a rimfire, but past that I'll take a centerfire every day. I did shoot my dad's .17 a few times....meh. Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.



I call BS on you getting 50 rounds of 223 for $12


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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:03:34 AM EST
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:03:55 AM EST
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Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.



The "practical application" might just be the first word in that sentence.



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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:05:38 AM EST
Needs more ballistic gel comparison tests.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:06:57 AM EST
I am interested as I have been considering a .22 WSM lately. A round like this would be extremely accurate out to 100+ yards.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:10:14 AM EST
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:10:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I hear a lot of talk about the .17HMR and other new whizbang rimfires, but I just can't get interested. Ammo is $12/50, or more, and outside of the current panic I could get blasting ammo for an AR for that price, or for double that cost I could get good ammo for an AR.

If I want 'cheap' I can always use a .22lr. Out to ~150 yards or so a .22lr will do what I want to do with a rimfire, but past that I'll take a centerfire every day. I did shoot my dad's .17 a few times....meh. Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.



The practical application is pest management. Bar none, there is no finer weapon at the price point than a 17HMR for the eradication of subversive vermin.

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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:10:56 AM EST
Already have the 17HMR and the .22 WMR......... This is just something in between that I don't need to spend more cash on. To each his own

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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:11:01 AM EST
Originally Posted By Smashy:
Hmm... I've never shot a .17HMR and I was thinking about getting one in the next few months. I think I'll wait and see how this plays out.


Originally Posted By Shockergd:
*Supposedly* the cost will be same or lower than 17hmr


The full review says it will cost a bit more.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2013/01/worlds-fastest-rimfire

But still sounds like a good deal for the performance.





I've been going through and a few others stated that it would be lower since it's based on nail gun charges.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:25:54 PM EST
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I guess we'll see about the cost. Sounds like a fun cartridge either way.

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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:28:12 PM EST
Is there room in the market for that?
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:30:53 PM EST
I assume this is going to need a proprietary rifle?

The beauty of the HMR is that it could be chambered in preexisting .22mag guns.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:34:40 PM EST
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I assume this is going to need a proprietary rifle?

The beauty of the HMR is that it could be chambered in preexisting .22mag guns.


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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:37:21 PM EST
Being a rim fire, it lets us in Ca chamber an AR-15 in this cartage and we don't have to use a BB on the evil featured black gun. Sounds like a nasty little rabbit gun.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:41:38 PM EST
will it present the same challenges in an autoloader that .17 HMR has shown?
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Posted: 1/24/2013 4:37:21 PM EST
I'm hearing/reading $15-20 per box of 50. I'm not sure if that's worth it when .223 is so close (outside of a panic).
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Posted: 1/24/2013 4:57:41 PM EST
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Meh. I'll stick with my TCR in .22 Hornet.

More powerful (35 grain bullet @ 3,000 fps and 725 FPE), easily reloadable, and just about the same cost, if not cheaper.



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Posted: 1/24/2013 5:59:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I hear a lot of talk about the .17HMR and other new whizbang rimfires, but I just can't get interested. Ammo is $12/50, or more, and outside of the current panic I could get blasting ammo for an AR for that price, or for double that cost I could get good ammo for an AR.

If I want 'cheap' I can always use a .22lr. Out to ~150 yards or so a .22lr will do what I want to do with a rimfire, but past that I'll take a centerfire every day. I did shoot my dad's .17 a few times....meh. Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.



I call BS on you getting 50 rounds of 223 for $12


What was Wolf running before the panic?



Not much more than that. Everyone should keep in mind that this ammo will likely be much more accurate than wolf or any 55 grain fmj. And a .22 at 150 yards? Whats the use of that. Past 50 the accuracy is falling away fast. 150 is a pipe dream on appropriate game.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:03:44 PM EST
I will probably end up with one of these, looks like a neat round. Already have a .17, .22wmr, .22 hornet. This will fall in that line up somewhere. Any info on when Savage will be releasing a rifle chambered in this round?
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:17:48 PM EST
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Any info on when Savage will be releasing a rifle chambered in this round?


From the article:

The first gun company signed up to produce rifles for the .17 Win. Super Mag. is Savage, which hopes to have rifles shipping by mid-April.




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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:17:55 PM EST
Interesting parent cartridge..

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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:29:10 PM EST
I thought the great thing about rimfire was it's cheap to shoot, and you need minimal or no hearing protection. everything after .22lr is a step backwards.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:33:09 PM EST
Originally Posted By Smashy:
Originally Posted By BoxofRox:
Any info on when Savage will be releasing a rifle chambered in this round?


From the article:

The first gun company signed up to produce rifles for the .17 Win. Super Mag. is Savage, which hopes to have rifles shipping by mid-April.






Thanks, they didn't have a big picture of the release date so I didn't see that.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:39:25 PM EST
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Meh. I'll stick with my TCR in .22 Hornet.

More powerful (35 grain bullet @ 3,000 fps and 725 FPE), easily reloadable, and just about the same cost, if not cheaper.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/photos/54/p_standard/KJY13A-T-F2-L.jpg



I know nothing about that caliber.

I pretty much know nothing about any caliber that's never been a major service caliber somewhere.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:44:13 PM EST
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So I accidentally just clicked 'report' on someone's post in this thread. My pop-up blocker beeped so I'm not sure if I sent an accidental report to a mod or not. Sorry about that.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:45:31 PM EST
Anyway, what I meant to say was....

Sweet!

I had a HMR. It would turn pigeons inside out. Traded it for a CZ 452 Lux 22lr which was a net gain. But I always like the performance of that round. This sounds promising.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:49:05 PM EST
I'll take my 5.45 FTW... cheap to shoot and the bullets are equally pointy.
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I fail to see the point I guess. To each his own.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 6:49:39 PM EST
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Meh. I'll stick with my TCR in .22 Hornet.

More powerful (35 grain bullet @ 3,000 fps and 725 FPE), easily reloadable, and just about the same cost, if not cheaper.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/photos/54/p_standard/KJY13A-T-F2-L.jpg



I know nothing about that caliber.

I pretty much know nothing about any caliber that's never been a major service caliber somewhere.


I own a .22hornet, its an awesome little gun that I have dropped coyotes out to 200yds with and requires no hearing protection for me. But the ammo isn't cheap, I do reload so that part is not much of an issue. But I enjoy shooting rimfires for the purpose of not worrying about picking up the brass, kind of "worry free" shooting. That's why this new .17 is appealing to me.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:30:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 1badf350:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I hear a lot of talk about the .17HMR and other new whizbang rimfires, but I just can't get interested. Ammo is $12/50, or more, and outside of the current panic I could get blasting ammo for an AR for that price, or for double that cost I could get good ammo for an AR.

If I want 'cheap' I can always use a .22lr. Out to ~150 yards or so a .22lr will do what I want to do with a rimfire, but past that I'll take a centerfire every day. I did shoot my dad's .17 a few times....meh. Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.



I call BS on you getting 50 rounds of 223 for $12


What was Wolf running before the panic?



I bought 1k of wolf 223 for .22 a round about 6 months ago.
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Posted: 1/24/2013 7:37:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/24/2013 7:38:10 PM EST by NathanL]

Originally Posted By smaddox:
Is there room in the market for that?

Probably not.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 7:54:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By flyinreallyhigh:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Originally Posted By 1badf350:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I hear a lot of talk about the .17HMR and other new whizbang rimfires, but I just can't get interested. Ammo is $12/50, or more, and outside of the current panic I could get blasting ammo for an AR for that price, or for double that cost I could get good ammo for an AR.

If I want 'cheap' I can always use a .22lr. Out to ~150 yards or so a .22lr will do what I want to do with a rimfire, but past that I'll take a centerfire every day. I did shoot my dad's .17 a few times....meh. Fun, but I don't see the practical application. YMMV.



I call BS on you getting 50 rounds of 223 for $12


What was Wolf running before the panic?



I bought 1k of wolf 223 for .22 a round about 6 months ago.


Yeah, but that's Wolf. Its performance is sub par and it's pretty rough on firearms.

I would have to be desperate to put that stuff through a bolt gun.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:19:43 AM EST
Pretty cool. I hope it doesn't lead to background checks for nailguns.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:23:46 AM EST
I will definitely buy one in a heavy barrel Savage. I love my 17 HMR. This would be even more fun at longer range.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:25:03 AM EST
Unless it's really cheap I'd rather have .17 Hornet.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:30:02 AM EST
What do you plan on taking out with a 20 grain bullet? A humming bird? Just trying to figure out what practical use it is other than for targets and tin cans.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:35:08 AM EST
Listen . . . . . hear that ???


That's the sound of crows shuddering at the thought of me going into my back woods and fields with one of them in my hands !!



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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:36:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By batmanacw:
I will definitely buy one in a heavy barrel Savage. I love my 17 HMR. This would be even more fun at longer range.

Ditto . This will be my next new rifle for sure

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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:40:27 AM EST
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What do you plan on taking out with a 20 grain bullet? A humming bird? Just trying to figure out what practical use it is other than for targets and tin cans.


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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:40:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By SWIRE:
What do you plan on taking out with a 20 grain bullet? A humming bird? Just trying to figure out what practical use it is other than for targets and tin cans.


15 lb ground hogs are nothing with a 17 grn bullet. Kills them quick.
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