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Posted: 1/19/2013 3:49:03 PM
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Posted: 1/19/2013 3:51:06 PM
Well if you want to demonstrate that guns are not the problem, best way to do it would be an incident that did not involve guns and used easily obtainable supplies...

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Posted: 1/19/2013 3:51:19 PM
Originally Posted By Kaygee:
Thread 1: We should prepare for insurrection and Northern Ireland/Bosnia style guerrilla warfare against the government!!!
Thread 2: Why the fuck is the government training its troops to respond to domestic terror attacks?!?!?!?


Arfcom GD in a nutshell.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:07:04 PM
Didn't the Keystone Cops have an exercise like that once? There are ways to run these people ragged and reduce their ability to respond. Just embrace your inner ahole and be creative. If two douchebags can keep the capital of the most powerful nation in the world in complete terror for an entire month, they can expect that to be childs play with some of the people I have come across here...
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:14:28 PM
In reali life confrontations between US military (RA, NG, etc) how many unarmed civlians have been killed by US citizens?

In real life confrontations between US military (RA, NG, etc) how many armed military personnel have been killed by armed civilians?

Just curious what the score is. Maybe they don't really need much practice.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:22:45 PM
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....they should have just done a Beslan re-enactment, since that is much more likely...in an attempt at
trading kids for the Blind Sheik or something.



Or they just could have saved some time and burned down a building with some fictional kids in it.

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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:25:33 PM

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EVERY contingency is trained for. Not a big deal. Shit like this has been trained for years and years. It is nothing new.

Really? Show me ANY scenario with Racist Black Militant activists who are holding white people hostage and killing the crackers until they get their demands met. Show me one such situation run in the last 20 years...
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:36:30 PM

Originally Posted By NickOfTime:
If two douchebags can keep the capital of the most powerful nation in the world in complete terror for an entire month

Dude, he's been in office for four years. Where have you been?
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Originally Posted By M1A4ME:
In reali life confrontations between US military (RA, NG, etc) how many unarmed civlians have been killed by US citizens?

In real life confrontations between US military (RA, NG, etc) how many armed military personnel have been killed by armed civilians?

Just curious what the score is. Maybe they don't really need much practice.


since 1919 I think it's 5 - 0. Go Army!

There was that little misunderstanding in the mid 19th century that really skews the hell out of the numbers, however.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:38:45 PM
Originally Posted By HomeSlice:

Originally Posted By NickOfTime:
If two douchebags can keep the capital of the most powerful nation in the world in complete terror for an entire month

Dude, he's been in office for four years. Where have you been?


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What?.....Running out of unarmed collage kids to kill?
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That wasn't a drill. It was a political statement.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:41:13 PM
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Kaygee:
Thread 1: We should prepare for insurrection and Northern Ireland/Bosnia style guerrilla warfare against the government!!!
Thread 2: Why the fuck is the government training its troops to respond to domestic terror attacks?!?!?!?


Arfcom GD in a nutshell.


So true.
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I hate it when some moronic staff puke gets tasked to develop a training scenario and pushes out something stupid.

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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:43:48 PM
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They had to do that in OH. If they did it on the WV side, the drilling team would have probably lost.


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Posted: 1/19/2013 4:46:05 PM
Originally Posted By marksman121:
Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Kaygee:
Thread 1: We should prepare for insurrection and Northern Ireland/Bosnia style guerrilla warfare against the government!!!
Thread 2: Why the fuck is the government training its troops to respond to domestic terror attacks?!?!?!?


Arfcom GD in a nutshell.


So true.


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I think Mister-Z sums it up best with,............Its called setting the stage.
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Practice for false flag scenario.
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Posted: 1/19/2013 5:48:32 PM
Originally Posted By GrinningInsurgent:
The authorities aren't even hiding it anymore. We are the enemy.

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Mock-Disaster-Training-Exercise-in-Scioto-County-187322931.html


PORTSMOUTH, Ohio (WSAZ) -- A dead science teacher, weapons of mass destruction, first responders in hazmat suits and the Ohio Army National Guard all near the Municipal Stadium in Portsmouth, Thursday. There's no cause for alarm -- this is just a drill!

The mock disaster training exercise is being done with Scioto County first responders and the Ohio Army National Guard 52nd Civil Support Unit.

"It's the reality of the world we live in," says Portsmouth Police Chief Bill Raisin. "Don't forget there is such a thing as domestic terrorism. This helps us all be prepared."

The make-believe scenario is timely. Two school employees who are disgruntled over the government's interpretation of the Second Amendment, plot to use chemical, biological and radiological agents against members of the local community.


Seems like standard training to me. Maybe you should focus more on the problem at hand in your state than sometraining happening in my state.

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Posted: 1/19/2013 5:51:11 PM

Originally Posted By YugoAK47:
Originally Posted By GrinningInsurgent:
The authorities aren't even hiding it anymore. We are the enemy.

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/Mock-Disaster-Training-Exercise-in-Scioto-County-187322931.html


PORTSMOUTH, Ohio (WSAZ) -- A dead science teacher, weapons of mass destruction, first responders in hazmat suits and the Ohio Army National Guard all near the Municipal Stadium in Portsmouth, Thursday. There's no cause for alarm -- this is just a drill!

The mock disaster training exercise is being done with Scioto County first responders and the Ohio Army National Guard 52nd Civil Support Unit.

"It's the reality of the world we live in," says Portsmouth Police Chief Bill Raisin. "Don't forget there is such a thing as domestic terrorism. This helps us all be prepared."

The make-believe scenario is timely. Two school employees who are disgruntled over the government's interpretation of the Second Amendment, plot to use chemical, biological and radiological agents against members of the local community.


Seems like standard training to me. Maybe you should focus more on the problem at hand in your state than sometraining happening in my state.


*giggle*

OP, I'm pretty sure your state government is a bigger threat to you right now than the Ohio National Guard is.
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I'm in the Ohio National Guard. Go figure a Civil Affairs unit is doing this. Us Infantrymen don't deal with this.

Back to studying Armored Fighting Vehicles so I can ID them

ETA: Also my unit was part of the Kent State thing....
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Originally Posted By JSteensen:
EVERY contingency is trained for. Not a big deal. Shit like this has been trained for years and years. It is nothing new.

It's not the contingency planning that's the problem, it's the superfluous story line...

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So two janitors from the school who happen to be shooting buddies accidentally mix bleach and ammonia to mop the floors with.... OH The NOES!


This is what happened before the spin
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Posted: 1/19/2013 5:54:14 PM
Originally Posted By tc2k11:
Originally Posted By JSteensen:
EVERY contingency is trained for. Not a big deal. Shit like this has been trained for years and years. It is nothing new.

It's not the contingency planning that's the problem, it's the superfluous story line...

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When do we get to practice the "hot lesbian porn stars take over a whipped cream factory" scenario?


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Originally Posted By Hillbilly69:
Originally Posted By tc2k11:
Originally Posted By JSteensen:
EVERY contingency is trained for. Not a big deal. Shit like this has been trained for years and years. It is nothing new.

It's not the contingency planning that's the problem, it's the superfluous story line...

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LOL. The scenario is so over-blown and stereotypical that they are probably less prepared now then they were before they did this little "exercise".



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Meanwhile today over 1,000 people gathered at the Statehouse in support of 2nd amendment rights, myself included.

Let's focus on some dumb exercise that isn't going to materialize.
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Originally Posted By Hillbilly69:
Originally Posted By Kaygee:
Thread 1: We should prepare for insurrection and Northern Ireland/Bosnia style guerrilla warfare against the government!!!
Thread 2: Why the fuck is the government training its troops to respond to domestic terror attacks?!?!?!?


trollin trollin trollin......



Are you saying there are no threads currently ongoing about murdering US servicemen and their families with a particular emphasis on drone pilots?
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Meanwhile today over 1,000 people gathered at the Statehouse in support of 2nd amendment rights, myself included.

Let's focus on some dumb exercise that isn't going to materialize.


So a bunch of people irate at the feds trying to infringe upon our 2nd Amendment rights are protesting at the same time the govt is training the NG to ..........."deal" with them......


Interesting.......
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Haven't read the whole thread, so excuse me if this has been asked. Why do they have to include a motive in their drills? Seems like just training for the event would be enough.

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Originally Posted By swede1986:
Originally Posted By Kaygee:
Thread 1: We should prepare for insurrection and Northern Ireland/Bosnia style guerrilla warfare against the government!!!
Thread 2: Why the fuck is the government training its troops to respond to domestic terror attacks?!?!?!?


Arfcom GD in a nutshell.

No fucking shit.
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If they wanted it more realistic, they should have had a disgruntled school Janitor, putting together a 100 kiloton Nuclear Device in his Broom Closet.
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Oh God. If someone had the means and ability to get biologics they aren't going to release them randomly into bumfuck Ohio. They'd go after political targets. PC crap. "White terrorists would be just like muslim terrorists hurr durr."
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Oh God. If someone had the means and ability to get biologics they aren't going to release them randomly into bumfuck Ohio. They'd go after political targets. PC crap. "White terrorists would be just like muslim terrorists hurr durr."


Well all of us 2nd Amendment people are lunatics dont ya know.......Nothing more than the govt giving us a heads up is all.
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I cound understand response drills for an attack on a state capitol building or one directed at a political party's headquarters. But on a school?????? And with NBCs?????? When did 2nd amendment advocates morph into Al Qaeda???


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And elsewhere in the world Al Qaeda just killed a bunch of people in Algeria, the Libyan Ambassador is dead along with 3 other people and the ATF and Obama administration armed Mexican drug lords.


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Last time it was "Christian zealots".

What about just using crazy people?
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Posted: 1/19/2013 11:29:13 PM
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They kent do that!


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Even in states run by (R) governors (the guard's boss) this crap happens.

Meanwhile, some LEFT WING whackos were just arrested for trying to blow up some bridges in OH.
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I think an ATF office getting McVehighed in response to some unconstitutional acts is more likely than someone using VX, Anthrax, and a nuke on their neighbors.


Edit:But I'm not some gov terrorism expert or a terrorist so what the fuck do I know?
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EVERY contingency is trained for. Not a big deal. Shit like this has been trained for years and years. It is nothing new.


I remember doing a few of those, though ours were pretty pedestrian bus crash thingies. Our budget was volunteers who said it hurts when you touched where the leg was supposed to be broken, or said their pulse was 110 and they weren't responding. Which, I think, led to one of the trauma patients getting a red tag that said "LSD overdose."

As to coordinating with the other emergency services in the town, there seemed to be an unwritten rule against that. Actually, there were four agencies, and each one had its own charter, so there must have been four unwritten rules against it since they probably couldn't agree on how they would not cooperate with each other, too.
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Last time it was "Christian zealots".

What about just using crazy people?


Since somebody actually mentioned it, one of the two MCIs that I actually went to was a nursing home where janitor A poured bleach down the drain and janitor B poured ammonia down the other drain. There were around 20 evacs, although only one or two of them were serious and none were fatal.

The other one was a ceiling collapse in a movie theater. It was an plaster, decorative ceiling, not the whole roof. Fortunately there was hardly anybody in there because it wasn't a good movie, and the worst injury was a collarbone fracture. There had been a few bad ones in the year before that, but not in our area. You could taste the adrenaline when they toned that one out.
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real answer: My BDE does this training ALL THE TIME. as a Joint task force in cooperation with the Air National Guard, we're responsible for operations in and around ground zero of major disasters like katrina, Hatti, 9-11, OKC, etc.
in conjunction with local EMS and FEMA, part of this joint task force is made from multiple agencies including Homeland Response Force(HRF) and CBRNe Element Response Force Packet(CERFP) and CST(civilain support team).
we can provide emergency medical triage, chemical decontamination, criminal investigations and Emergency Search and Rescue and can fill in for relief to Emergency first responders involved in major operations like a Katrina.
we had a big collective event with about 4 other agencies up in fort bragg earlier during the year..even civilians could participate.

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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:12:00 AM
Originally Posted By Aeain:
I'm in the Ohio National Guard. Go figure a Civil Affairs unit is doing this. Us Infantrymen don't deal with this.

Back to studying Armored Fighting Vehicles so I can ID them

ETA: Also my unit was part of the Kent State thing....


Civil Support Teams were established to help first responders deal with HAZMAT/WMD incidents and have nothing to do with civil affairs.
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Originally Posted By Aeain:
I'm in the Ohio National Guard. Go figure a Civil Affairs unit is doing this. Us Infantrymen don't deal with this.

Back to studying Armored Fighting Vehicles so I can ID them

ETA: Also my unit was part of the Kent State thing....


Civil Support Teams were established to help first responders deal with HAZMAT/WMD incidents and have nothing to do with civil affairs.


So it's even worse than Civil Affairs.

Also, I just got Active Duty and dont know anything about this BS National Guard shit
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Originally Posted By Kaygee:


Threads 1-999: The Legislative and Executive branches of the US Government propose measures that would infringe on the Constitutionally protected Right to Keep and Bear Arms by the people of the United States of America. A majority of the MSM propagandizes on behalf of said initiatives and ideas, using ad infinitum the word "confiscation," and even publicly calls for the murder of several Second Amendment proponents. The "government" of the second largest state in the USA passes a measure greatly infringing on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms for its residents and video is even exposed showing that the true intent of the legislation is confiscation of lawfully held privately owned weapons.

Thread 1000: We should prepare for insurrection and Northern Ireland/Bosnia style guerrilla warfare against the government!!!
Thread 1001: Why the fuck is the government training its troops to respond to domestic terror attacks?!?!?!?


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