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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:15:27 AM EST
Obama said there have been 900 gun violence deaths since Sandy Hook. How the hell do I fact-check that? because 900 in a month sounds a bit inflated.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:16:32 AM EST
Facts aren't what he was going for, it's the emotional response that figure triggers.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:17:00 AM EST
He was talking about Shitcago.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:17:30 AM EST
Includes accidents, suicides, and self defense shootings.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:17:48 AM EST
Including suicides and lawfully justified homicides as the left often does? It's possible, and wouldn't be affected by any gun ban.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:17:57 AM EST
How many of those are suicides?

I love how they never mention that part..
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:18:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By Always_Learning:
He was talking about Shitcago.


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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:18:05 AM EST
He must be taking about F&F and the Cartels he sold the guns to.
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He can say whatever he wants and if he's wrong, so what? Even if they issue a retraction at 2am two Sunday mornings from now who the hell is going to report it?
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:18:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Includes accidents, suicides, and self defense shootings.

You forgot police shooting bad guys.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:19:51 AM EST
How many of those were gang violence with illegally owned firearms? probably the vast majority. Heck Chicago and Detroit probably account for a lot of these.

How many of those were lawful self-defense? probably one of two a day but he considers this bad.

How many were suicides? too many but they would have used another tool if a gun weren't available.

How many were murders using a lawfully owned firearms? this is the number we should be talking about, I bet it is a very small number.


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My wife works in a major trauma center where the thugs end up. She told me the other day that since ammo got scarce, shootings are down, and stabbings are way up.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:20:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By 62GMC:

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Includes accidents, suicides, and self defense shootings.

You forgot police shooting bad guys dags.


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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:22:05 AM EST
I doubt that number is correct...but I would bet both testicles that the highest murder/death rates from guns are in Chicago, Kali, and NYC.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:22:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Jahdai42:
Originally Posted By 62GMC:

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Includes accidents, suicides, and self defense shootings.

You forgot police shooting bad guys dags.




LOL

Well, actually, less than 12,000 a year is really an improvement. Considering there are over 300 million of us, and probably about fifty million illegals, that's amazing.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:22:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By ske714:
My wife works in a major trauma center where the thugs end up. She told me the other day that since ammo got scarce, shootings are down, and stabbings are way up.


She's full of shit. The all-knowing liberals have told us that fewer guns means less violence and more instances of spontaneous hand holding.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:22:35 AM EST
Stats for last year were about 11,500ish from guns......

Divide by 12.........
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:23:26 AM EST
The majority of them also likely happened in cities with strict gun control.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:23:49 AM EST
I thought I saw that there have only been 18 murders in Chicago since Jan1. Double that to account for the time since Newton, 36 murders in Chicago. I'm going to go out on a limb and hoist the BS flag.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:23:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By Tango7:
Including suicides and lawfully justified homicides as the left often does? It's possible, and wouldn't be affected by any gun ban.

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Which are always way up around the holidays. And there was the December 21st thing, which I'm sure saw a few out there folks off themselves. So yeah, 900 is believeable.
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He's could be doing some fuzzy math by taking annual figures and dividing it by the month.

At that rate, we'd actually be down when compared to the 12K (?) in 2011.


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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:25:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By ske714:
My wife works in a major trauma center where the thugs end up. She told me the other day that since ammo got scarce, shootings are down, and stabbings are way up.


That's somewhat amusing.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:25:24 AM EST
CNN Just said 30,000 people die from gun violence annually. 3,000 of which are children under 14 yo...


WTF !? Is this right!? I thought everyone was on the 13,000 homicides by guns a year... WHEN DID IT DOUBLE!
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:26:34 AM EST
Homeowner helped one shitbag into the statistics in San Antonio just a couple of days ago......
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:26:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By BASooner:
CNN Just said 30,000 people die from gun violence annually. 3,000 of which are children under 14 yo...


WTF !? Is this right!? I thought everyone was on the 13,000 homicides by guns a year... WHEN DID IT DOUBLE!

Those figures (30,000) probably include suicides.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:27:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By mks99:
Stats for last year were about 11,500ish from guns......

Divide by 12.........


This.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:28:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By BASooner:
CNN Just said 30,000 people die from gun violence annually. 3,000 of which are children under 14 yo...


WTF !? Is this right!? I thought everyone was on the 13,000 homicides by guns a year... WHEN DID IT DOUBLE!


Those stats include suicides and accidents.

They try to ignore the fact that suicides will not go down with a gun ban.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:31:35 AM EST
Originally Posted By MurphysInLaw:
How many of those are suicides?

I love how they never mention that part..


+/- half of the total...

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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:32:12 AM EST
It's likely an extrapolated number. Annual gun deaths last year/1 mo = ~900, I'm guessing.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:32:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By BASooner:
CNN Just said 30,000 people die from gun violence annually. 3,000 of which are children under 14 yo...


WTF !? Is this right!? I thought everyone was on the 13,000 homicides by guns a year... WHEN DID IT DOUBLE!


They also said firearms was the third leading cause of kids between the ages of 5-14. I think that's bullshit and am looking for info to refute it.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:33:39 AM EST
That's okay. There have been over 23,000 self-defense uses of an AR15 since then, nationwide, including instance in which honest citizens merely stated, "I've called the police and have a AR15!" while someone attempted to force their way into their homes.

Go ahead. Prove me wrong.

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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:34:48 AM EST
In the same period of time doctors have killed over 16,000 people through medical errors.

BAN DOCTORS!!!
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I can guarantee you there have been 100,000+ abortions in this country since the Sandy Hook shooting.....
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:35:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By MarkMustang:
Obama said there have been 900 gun violence deaths since Sandy Hook. How the hell do I fact-check that? because 900 in a month sounds a bit inflated.


Maybe in the world, but not in the US. There's a shooting war in Mali. Remember Lord Zero is simply a charismatic puppet for the left in the US and his audience consists of starry eyed morons that feed on his radiant streams of pure unadulterated BS.

...check with John Lott's site. If t was in zero's speech, Lott will address it.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:37:01 AM EST

he prolly gets his stats from watching movies


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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:37:24 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Includes accidents, suicides, and self defense shootings.


This, as usual they only use numbers they want.
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This touches on some of that data and where to get it Link to Crime Stats
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:45:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Includes accidents, suicides, and self defense shootings.

And car crashes, poisonings, drownings, and heart attacks.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:47:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By MarkMustang:
Obama said there have been 900 gun violence deaths since Sandy Hook. How the hell do I fact-check that? because 900 in a month sounds a bit inflated.


Doublespeak, per the book 1984.

You don't have to tell facts, you simply say what backs your play.
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Heart disease kills the most.
Ban food and sedentary living...




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537 were in Shitcago, 286 were in Mexico courtesy of our DoJ, and the rest were split between dealers shooting each other because of the WoD, the occasional trailer park disagreement, and an old lady capping a crackhead who was breaking into her house.
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Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Includes accidents, suicides, and self defense shootings.

30,000/1
YEP AND THE OFFICIAL NUMBER IS 30,000 PER YEAR (according to bloomberg) SO ITS ACTUALLY A LITTLE LOW. it also likely deplorably includes the sandy hook victims too.

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Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities

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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:55:13 AM EST
Originally Posted By MarkMustang:
Obama said there have been 900 gun violence deaths since Sandy Hook. How the hell do I fact-check that? because 900 in a month sounds a bit inflated.


The problem with the data and stats presented by grabbers is that accuracy should be expected to be way off. There will be no mention of qualifiers/descriptors or they will be flat out wrong. Lott will present true data and stats and point out where specifics have been hidden for purposes of hiding relevant facts - like the homicides by gunshot include perps killed during the commision of a felony(s). ...including the po MS13 machete wielding chile killed by a shotgun blast.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:59:01 AM EST
How many kids were killed last month in auto accidents involving alcohol or drugs?
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Posted: 1/16/2013 8:59:03 AM EST
Well,

Looking at the FBI 2011 stats, there were 8,583 homicides involving firearms of all types.

Divide that number by 12, you get about 715.

Historically speaking, The Anointed One's numbers are a little high.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:02:57 AM EST
If you factor in suicides, i'm sure that's reasonable... even without factoring in suicides we average over 8000 a year... so it could be right if there just happen to be a lot in this last month.
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Posted: 1/16/2013 9:11:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Includes accidents, suicides, and self defense shootings.


This. Liberal twatwaffles like to use vague terms like "gun violence" that include a broad array of things so that the number is inflated, but still creates the disingenuous impression that it represents only unlawful/wrongful killings of third parties.
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899 illegal and criminal shootings by bad guys
1 by a lawabiding good guy and that was in self defense to stop robbery
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I'm pretty sure that stat. would include dogs shot by cops (got to be a few hundred in the last month), so factor that out of the actual total too.
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