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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:49:32 PM
NOTE: If you are offended by the term "Assault Rifle" or want to play semantics, then go somewhere else. Everyone knows exactly what I am referring to.

So, I read an article on Salon.com not long ago which speculated that there are between 2.5 and 3.75 million AR-15s in civilian hands. They said there were another 800,000 mini14s out there. So that is somewhere between 3.3 and 4.55 million rifle, just between those two models. That's a lot of guns.

If you add in all of the semi-auto Kalashnikovs, Simonovs, FALs, H&Ks, Uzis, FNs, Berettas, how many riles do you think that would add up to? There has to be millions of AK and SKS rifles in this country. Though out the 80s and 90s, the US was a dumping ground for demilled foreign weapons.

If Swinestain's bill names 120 different specific models of weapons, then they must be covering 10-20 million guns in people's hand. I would not be surprised if this ban covered 50 million of the 300,000,000 or so guns in America.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:53:12 PM
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There are 155,xxx machine guns in total on the registry. Since assault rifles are by definition full auto, but not all M/G's are assault rifles, I'd wager to say less than 100,000.


EDIT: I read 2.4 million Colt AR's alone. AK's are more common than Colt AR's, so I'd guess 10 million +.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:24:48 PM
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:27:16 PM
If you mean semi-auto rifles, probably 100,000,000+.

Semi-auto rifles have been common for almost a century.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:28:32 PM
30-40M
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:29:24 PM
Are we going by the definition from the last AWB?

Probably 20-50 million.

All lost in tragic boating accidents.

Such a shame.

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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:30:31 PM
ARs and AKs, maybe 7 million.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:31:05 PM
Enough so that every criminal in America will have one after an AWB.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:31:05 PM
Easy 10M.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:31:54 PM
Given the tenuous politics, not enough.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:32:25 PM
Not enough
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:32:59 PM
More than 10 million SKS's have been imported since the late 1980's.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:33:56 PM
87 million
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:34:08 PM
Enough to get the job done when it's time.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:34:15 PM
Where are the general numbers generated from? It seems that there should be more the 300m out there.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:34:17 PM
Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Given the tenuous politics, not enough.


This. The more people that have them, the better.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:35:52 PM
Not enough.

Millions, for sure.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:36:10 PM
I would have thought Mini-14's outnumbered AR-15s.

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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:36:39 PM
More guns than there are soldiers in any army in the world.

And it ought to stay that way.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:36:54 PM
What is an assault weapon? No one knows because they don't exist.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:37:49 PM
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IIRC the total was ~300k AR15s manufactured between Colt, Bushmaster, Armalite, Rock River, etc in ~2006.
The ATF releases an annual rifle production report from manufacturing FFLs, its easy to pick out the large AR makers and figure out an average (except Remington, since the vast majority of their rifles will not be ARs)

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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:39:30 PM
Not Enough!

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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:40:31 PM
Originally Posted By MIDGAPATRIOT:
Originally Posted By dbrowne1:
Given the tenuous politics, not enough.


This. The more people that have them, the better.


Yep!
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:40:50 PM
Around 30,000,000 AR's statistically.

Probably another 20,000,000 or so other AK/FAL/etc semi-auto magazine fed rifles.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:41:14 PM
all guns are assault weapons to a commie
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:41:40 PM
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:42:56 PM
There are rifles on the feinstein list that are over 70 years old, so quite a few.

I wonder how many standard-cap magazines there are too, I'm sure it's well over 100 million.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:43:38 PM
US population is ~311M. 50% of American homes have guns, and I'll guess maybe 50% of those have "assault weapons". Of those ~75M that own AKs, ARs, etc. most probably have at least 2 rifles. So, I'd guess about 150M such weapons.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:44:51 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if you had to 2-5x your numbers when you add in the parts kits that have been built into guns at home that have no paper trail.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:49:55 PM

I think there's one in the Hall of Violence.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:50:27 PM
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Are we going by the definition from the last AWB?

Probably 20-50 million.

All lost in tragic boating accidents.

Such a shame.



That was so-called "assault weapons", thus Assault Weapons Ban.

It had nothing to do with assault rifles.

If it's a Colt, it's a copy of an original ArmaLite.

I am not LARRYG36.

Racing is life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

If your AR10 is marked Geneseo, IL, it's still an AR10 no matter what some people say.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:51:35 PM
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think of all those 80%s or "paper weights" out there. I have seen many at the range i work at.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:51:50 PM
Originally Posted By LIONHART:
More than 10 million SKS's have been imported since the late 1980's.


I was not aware... But I can believe it.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:52:05 PM
Regardless of "you know what I mean", an assault rifle is select fire by definition.

A so-called "assault weapon" is semiauto.

Keep that in mind when giving your answers.
If it's a Colt, it's a copy of an original ArmaLite.

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If your AR10 is marked Geneseo, IL, it's still an AR10 no matter what some people say.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:53:44 PM
Definition?

Wiki says select fire...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:55:52 PM
think of all those 80%s or "paper weights" out there. I have seen many at the range i work at.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:57:58 PM
Now add to that how many lowers were sold in the last two months ? Probably one those geeky words omogazillion ! LOL
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:05:35 PM
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Are we going by the definition from the last AWB?

Probably 20-50 million.

All lost in tragic boating accidents.

Such a shame.



lol

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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:11:52 PM
I don't know. I have 1 and 1/2 modern defense rifle. And a few Pistols.Well I did till my boating accident.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:12:39 PM
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Are we going by the definition from the last AWB?

Probably 20-50 million.

All lost in tragic boating accidents.

Such a shame.



That was so-called "assault weapons", thus Assault Weapons Ban.

It had nothing to do with assault rifles.



If we're getting technical, "Assault Rifles" are select fire. So the number would be in the tens of thousands, probably.

BTW, there is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon". That term is about as real as the "thing that goes up in the back".

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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:13:59 PM
Everything that could possibly be used to "assault" someone in an "assault weapon". From now on, I'm saying..."can you please pass me the assault fork. can you give me a ride in your assault car.did you see my assault pen..."
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:15:24 PM
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Are we going by the definition from the last AWB?

Probably 20-50 million.

All lost in tragic boating accidents.

Such a shame.



That was so-called "assault weapons", thus Assault Weapons Ban.

It had nothing to do with assault rifles.



If we're getting technical, "Assault Rifles" are select fire. So the number would be in the tens of thousands, probably.

BTW, there is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon". That term is about as real as the "thing that goes up in the back".



Why I said "so-called".
If it's a Colt, it's a copy of an original ArmaLite.

I am not LARRYG36.

Racing is life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.

If your AR10 is marked Geneseo, IL, it's still an AR10 no matter what some people say.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:19:39 PM
The oceans, rivers, and lakes are full of them from horrible boating accidents so...none!
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:20:46 PM
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:21:53 PM
And don't forget the semi .22s. How many 10-22s out there.

And all the other manufacturer's versions like my Remington.

Not my pic.





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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:22:13 PM
I'd say about 10,000,000.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:23:59 PM
I've wondered how many hands all those rifles are in. How many of us have a real stake in what the 2d is really about? Seems like all the AR owners I know have at least 2-3.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:36:14 PM
10's of millions for sure!
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:40:51 PM
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Posted: 1/11/2013 9:06:55 PM
Originally Posted By motown_steve:

So, I read an article on Salon.com not long ago which speculated that there are between 2.5 and 3.75 million AR-15s in civilian hands.


I could be wrong, but that sounds a lot like figures I heard years, if not more than a decade ago, and even then they were only based on manufacturing data from a specific window in time. I would guess by now it's a whole lot more for ARs.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 9:52:43 PM
Originally Posted By IEC:
If you mean semi-auto rifles, probably 100,000,000+.

Semi-auto rifles have been common for almost a century.


I think that estimate may be a bit high when it is believed there are around 300 million firearms in country.

50 million would probably be more plausible.
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