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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:07:15 PM EDT
[#1]
no comprise, no compliance
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:07:18 PM EDT
[#2]
At least she is covering all of the 'loopholes' from last time.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:08:00 PM EDT
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration Found a loophole...all my guns are for sporting purposes 
ETA...fuck her with a rusty railroad spike 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:08:04 PM EDT
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Whats the 1-characteristic test?
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:08:24 PM EDT
[#5]
I believe war has been declared.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:09:06 PM EDT
[#6]
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration Yuck...We cannot let this pass... |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:09:07 PM EDT
[#7]
fuck her.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:09:12 PM EDT
[#8]
Not gonna happen.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:09:18 PM EDT
[#9]
Well fuck my ass and call me a bitch. I may not have panic bought, but I now understand those that did.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:10:04 PM EDT
[#10]
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Not gonna happen. lets hope to God not, because this is terrible 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:10:25 PM EDT
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? Is it a gun? Yes = Ban No = Ban |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:10:34 PM EDT
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? Meaning if it has one characteristic of an 'Assault Weapon' which apparently is now, collapsible stock, removable magazine, and pistol grip |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:11:05 PM EDT
[#13]
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no comprise, no compliance |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:11:07 PM EDT
[#14]
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I believe war has been declared. Easy...it's recon and PR time. war starts once the bill is passed (PR war, sorry Mr G-man I only use flowers for war as all my guns are at the bottom of Lake Erie ) |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:11:44 PM EDT
[#15]
The crazier the Bill is the less chance it has of passing. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:11:47 PM EDT
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? probably referring to pistol grips/flash suppressors/bayo lugs/folding or collapsing stocks etc like the 1994 ban |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:12:00 PM EDT
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? Meaning if it has one characteristic of an 'Assault Weapon' which apparently is now, collapsible stock, removable magazine, and pistol grip So a bolt gun with a drop in mag conversion is considered an assault rifle too now? 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:12:06 PM EDT
[#18]
Yeah, good luck getting that through the House.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:12:10 PM EDT
[#19]
“shall not” is a specific legal term. Is there any other statue in the federal code that includes these words and is routinely violated?
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:12:29 PM EDT
[#20]
Anybody have the list of 120 named firearms that would be banned from sale, import, or otherwise even thinking about?
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:13:08 PM EDT
[#21]
Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, Lol. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:13:15 PM EDT
[#22]
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? probably referring to pistol grips/flash suppressors/bayo lugs/folding or collapsing stocks etc like the 1994 ban So a norinco M14S is good to go. Unless named of course.... |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:13:30 PM EDT
[#23]
Dear Feinstein, here's my counter-offer: Go fuck yourself. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:14:57 PM EDT
[#24]
yeah.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:15:06 PM EDT
[#25]
I like how they believe that by only allowing "hunting-type" firearms, pistols and 10 round magazines that they are supporting the 2A and not infringing on our right to bare arms. They are pretty much outlawing the most effective tool for self-defense, i.e., the MODERN SPORTING RIFLE, in a variety of situations. It's crazy how effective the left has been in demonzing the MSR by the non-stop media coverage of tragic events and disinformation. If they were to put actual statistics, the masses would see that children stand a bigger chance of dying in their bathtub, swimming pool and in motor vehicle accidents. And it's crazy how people think that by banning MSRs that senseless killings will, somehow, stop.
Fuck. 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:15:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with "thumbhole stocks” and "bullet buttons” to address attempts to "work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:15:23 PM EDT
[#27]
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration They just overreached. No negociation, no compromise, just vote the bill down entirely. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:15:45 PM EDT
[#28]
this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise".
it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:16:13 PM EDT
[#29]
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? "Is it scary looking?" yes=ban |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:16:17 PM EDT
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? Meaning if it has one characteristic of an 'Assault Weapon' which apparently is now, collapsible stock, removable magazine, and pistol grip So a bolt gun with a drop in mag conversion is considered an assault rifle too now? Semi-Auto I believe. This rifle would be illegal 
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:16:23 PM EDT
[#31]
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? Meaning if it has one characteristic of an 'Assault Weapon' which apparently is now, collapsible stock, removable magazine, and pistol grip You couldn't even get a Benelli semi auto with a pistol grip! "I don't care as long as I get to keep my duck gun." coming for it next m'fers. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:16:27 PM EDT
[#32]
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this is going to be REAL bad if it the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? So we would have to pay money to keep the firearms that were already purchased legally? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:16:44 PM EDT
[#33]
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Yeah, good luck getting that through the House. Well, we did just this week have guys like Rubio and Grassley speaking terms of appeasement, that maybe now is the time to take a look at more regulation. I wouldn't rule anything out. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:17:00 PM EDT
[#34]
Fuck her.
What they are going for is the eventual registration of everything that fires a cartridge. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:17:32 PM EDT
[#35]
This is going to pass with a close vote, but only because they want it to appear close.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:18:50 PM EDT
[#36]
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this is going to be REAL bad if it the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? So we would have to pay money to keep the firearms that were already purchased legally? I'm thinking she has already brought up the idea to batf to make a new semi auto classification to register everything they can. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:20:14 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Whats the 1-characteristic test? Meaning if it has one characteristic of an 'Assault Weapon' which apparently is now, collapsible stock, removable magazine, and pistol grip So a bolt gun with a drop in mag conversion is considered an assault rifle too now? Semi-Auto I believe. This rifle would be illegal http://www.blueridgeoutdoorsports.com/blueridgeoutdoor/html/media/bar_mark2_safari_lg.jpg BAR is listed in their "exempt" list the entire text of the bill has been emailing around in PDF form for awhile |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:21:15 PM EDT
[#38]
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? At this rate. Any firearm firing a projectile more than .177 in dia, @more than 125 FPS, without having to manually pump air charge between shots. Will be considered a high powered sniper assault weapon cappable of penetrating the latest body armor, heavily armored tracked vehicles and killing children in distant yet discovered galaxies. FUCK HER
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:21:15 PM EDT
[#39]
How fucking retarded is she???? Congress is republican for 2 more years(nothing guaranteed with some "Republicans" though), and the Funding to enforce any of this will NOT be passed............The big O is all about spending money but i think he's watching his ass a little closer. Now 2 years from now when Mr. O is on his way out and has no reputation or legacy to worry about when he leaves office.........God only knows what he will pull out of his ass. This bill was a good preview though.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:21:29 PM EDT
[#40]
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration Sorry, too many lines have been crossed already. This would be the last straw. WNC. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:21:33 PM EDT
[#41]
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration So she thinks were going to reg all are guns as NFA, good luck with that. So if if a person is going to go to jail for a semi-rifle that was legal when they bought it, what is going to stop them from saying," Fuck IT" and turn it into a real Assault rifle? I'm not advocating this, just asking a hypothetical question? " |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:21:45 PM EDT
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this is going to be REAL bad if it the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? So we would have to pay money to keep the firearms that were already purchased legally? it happened in 1934... and $200 was quite a bit more back then than is it is now. why couldn't they do it now? |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:21:55 PM EDT
[#43]
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration They just overreached. No negociation, no compromise, just vote the bill down entirely. They over-reached in '34, '68, '86, and '94 ... don't be so foolish as to think it won't happen again. What we need to talk about 2 things - mobilizing a real effort to communicate with our elected officials, and stay aware of any 'dead of the night' efforts to slip things though Congress. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:22:52 PM EDT
[#44]
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http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation
Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration So the bitch wants to "protect" legitiamte hunters and existing gun owners
Grandfather laws are BULLSHIT they fuck you in the long run Wants said grandfathered guns to be a part of the NFA Holy shit!!!! folks add up your AR's, AK's and other rifles, then also your pistols that "can accept" a more than 10 round magazine. 10/22's many .22 pistols and rifles, glocks, M&P's. That could get real spendy.
And as icing on the cake she wants to expand the ATF so we can get fucked that much more by them. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:23:08 PM EDT
[#45]
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The crazier the Bill is the less chance it has of passing. This. I am hoping they try to bite off more than they can chew and it does't work out for the antis. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:23:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons Summary of 2013 legislation Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one military characteristic Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test Banning firearms with "thumbhole stocks” and "bullet buttons” to address attempts to "work around” prior bans Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration Fuck me, fuck me, fuck me.  |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:25:28 PM EDT
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this is going to be REAL bad if the republicans "compromise". it looks like its saying that grandfathering will be ok, as long as they are registered as title II (NFA) firearms. is this even legal? Well, it could eventually backfire and destroy NFA in its entirety. We could go from two to eiight years if no guns, to having everything overnight. |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:25:36 PM EDT
[#48]
if i said what i really feel about feinstein, i would be banned from arfcom forever...
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:25:50 PM EDT
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Whats the 1-characteristic test? Meaning if it has one characteristic of an 'Assault Weapon' which apparently is now, collapsible stock, removable magazine, and pistol grip So a bolt gun with a drop in mag conversion is considered an assault rifle too now? Semi-Auto I believe. This rifle would be illegal http://www.blueridgeoutdoorsports.com/blueridgeoutdoor/html/media/bar_mark2_safari_lg.jpg Nope. Has muzzle device |
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:25:55 PM EDT
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What is this hunting and sporting purposes jazz? Where did that come from?
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