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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:26:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ............ And there it is! its okay for her...and the 'right' people to be armed...not for the rabble.  Yup. Man that pisses me off...talk about an aristocracy right here in the US...the founding fathers must be spinning in their graves at 90,000 RPM's.  If George Washington was here today he'd already be killing people. You know, I would love to see his reaction to this brave new America of ours....He might just die of instant heart failure. then again he might be happy their plan worked. GR He may have realized that having people who do nothing all day but pass laws (restrictions) on people, every day, for more than 200 years in a row, might not be the best way to preserve freedom. Congress needs a cap of 2 bills and a budget per year.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:27:08 AM EDT
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So let's do the math. 4 million assault weapons x $200.00 tax = 800 million to the feds and 10 year wait to get your stamp. Sounds reasonable. Are we allowed to call someone a cunt on here? If they are able to pass this law, i would bet that current owners get to register their EBRs at no charge. She'll try for an outright ban on the manufacture of EBRs after a certain date, like the 86 machine gun ban, but I doubt that will pass. They could probably swing a $25 tax stamp on EBR sales after the law goes into effect. The general public is not going to swallow a $200 tax on what they consider normal rifles. Most of the general public doesn't think a semi-automatic is a normal rifle. That's the problem. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:28:26 AM EDT
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Defined by whom? The same people that arbitrarily think a 16" rifle bbl is "ok" but anything shorter is "dangerous?" The definition of "destructive device" and the definition of "short barreled rifle" were both written by Congress. You would know this if you read the statutes. They control the definitions. They control the process. They control the BATFE. They control the debate. I'm not sure who you think the nameless and more than slightly sinister "they" are, but no one group controls the definitions, the "process", the BATFE and the debate. In case you haven't noticed, the houses of Congress are controlled by two different parties. Since 2011, those two parties have agreed on very little except spending money. At this point, there is very little evidence that the two parties will suddenly agree on "gun control". In fact, it seems unlikely that the two parties could agree that the moon is not made of cheese. Will you bet an entire Constitutional right on that? So what are you "betting on"? Like it or not, at this point what the media propaganda machine likes to call "divided government" is our best hope. So long as Congress is paralyzed about everything except spending money the real danger from the government is a tremendous increase in the general price level resulting from the gigantic increase in the money supply. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:28:51 AM EDT
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Never Happen, The Cunt is stuck in her Left Wing Utopian Wet Dream & not in the real world.
Everyone has to Join the "NRA NOW" so they can smack the cunt back to reality! |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:29:33 AM EDT
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I honestly think George Washington might try to organize a group/militia, etc., to stop this runaway socialism we are experiencing. He might fail but I think he might just go down fighting against our current situation. Funny you say that. Just this morning, I was thinking I need to start hosting dinner parties for Austin area arfcommers. I think it's probably in all of our best interest to acquaint ourselves with members in our immediate area. After all, these are the people with whom you would want to be organized for the day the gestapo comes to a neighborhood near you. United we stand and all that... since that type of discussion would probably not be permitted on this site even in the face of unconstitutional laws being enforced and carried out against us. I make a mean brisket... 
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:32:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Defined by whom? The same people that arbitrarily think a 16" rifle bbl is "ok" but anything shorter is "dangerous?" The definition of "destructive device" and the definition of "short barreled rifle" were both written by Congress. You would know this if you read the statutes. They control the definitions. They control the process. They control the BATFE. They control the debate. I'm not sure who you think the nameless and more than slightly sinister "they" are, but no one group controls the definitions, the "process", the BATFE and the debate. In case you haven't noticed, the houses of Congress are controlled by two different parties. Since 2011, those two parties have agreed on very little except spending money. At this point, there is very little evidence that the two parties will suddenly agree on "gun control". In fact, it seems unlikely that the two parties could agree that the moon is not made of cheese. Will you bet an entire Constitutional right on that? So what are you "betting on"? Like it or not, at this point what the media propaganda machine likes to call "divided government" is our best hope. So long as Congress is paralyzed about everything except spending money the real danger from the government is a tremendous increase in the general price level resulting from the gigantic increase in the money supply. Despite the partisanship, Congress still passed 61 bills into law this year. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:37:45 AM EDT
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Well, see, we already set a precedence or made history back in 1996 with the midterms. A lot of Senators and Representatives realize gun control is the third rail and could cost them their jobs. That's like $170,000 per year plus a sweet ass health insurance plan.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:38:51 AM EDT
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Defined by whom? The same people that arbitrarily think a 16" rifle bbl is "ok" but anything shorter is "dangerous?" The definition of "destructive device" and the definition of "short barreled rifle" were both written by Congress. You would know this if you read the statutes. They control the definitions. They control the process. They control the BATFE. They control the debate. I'm not sure who you think the nameless and more than slightly sinister "they" are, but no one group controls the definitions, the "process", the BATFE and the debate. In case you haven't noticed, the houses of Congress are controlled by two different parties. Since 2011, those two parties have agreed on very little except spending money. At this point, there is very little evidence that the two parties will suddenly agree on "gun control". In fact, it seems unlikely that the two parties could agree that the moon is not made of cheese. Will you bet an entire Constitutional right on that? So what are you "betting on"? Like it or not, at this point what the media propaganda machine likes to call "divided government" is our best hope. So long as Congress is paralyzed about everything except spending money the real danger from the government is a tremendous increase in the general price level resulting from the gigantic increase in the money supply. Despite the partisanship, Congress still passed 61 bills into law this year. and i imagine a great deal of them were passed overwhelmingly on both sides of the aisle. GR |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:44:17 AM EDT
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She is intentionally or unintentionally over playing her hand. The entire class of semi autos will not be banned or restricted. Nothing will happen for at least 2 years, but it is more likely full auto will be title 1 guns than semi autos will ever be title 2.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:54:42 AM EDT
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I heard that you will get 2 Muvico theater tickets for each AR you turn in, and that stupid cunt said that the NRA refuses background checks
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:56:27 AM EDT
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I heard she and her husband own guns, typical elitist Yankee crap
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:57:41 AM EDT
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So you're all keeping up the pressure on congressmen by writing and calling daily? Expanding outside your own district and state? I am. I've written over 30 letters so far to my representatives, vulnerable democrats, and house and senate leadership. I will admit, I have not done this, life gets in the way of the things we should be doing...  
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Posted: 12/25/2012 7:58:45 AM EDT
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Think it can't happen, stop and look at how big the Tobacco companies were and how they couldn't do anything to stop what has happened. Refresh my recollection. Which party had protecting "smoker's rights" as a wedge issue? 
No politician was in danger of losing his or her lucrative position over a vote to raise cigarette taxes or to ban smoking in a public place. That is the crucial difference.  Come visit Virginia This.... The Truth, He speaks it. And I'd also like to add, as the psychological aspect of this whole thing ramps up, and we are ostracized more and more(because that is what is about to happen), politicians will be listened to more and more, until you won't be able to walk down the street without people in your communities looking negatively at you. It's already starting to happen. Just ask anyone who has smoked in the last 10 years that stays aware of the surrounding environment what I am talking about. Instead of "Oh they smell bad" or "Oh this is nasty, that is nasty" etc etc etc......It's going to be more of the same old stupid bullshit that we've already heard only on a much grander more exuberant scale. And the Masses will perpetuate the lies and bullshit, ignoring the facts. I am a smoker, I've already lived this. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:01:44 AM EDT
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The shoulder thingy that goes up? 
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:09:23 AM EDT
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Ok give me online NFA registration and instant approval and we will talk And repeal the Hughes amendment. Put something on the table for them to compromise and they'll back down immediately. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:12:07 AM EDT
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Draw the line here. This is tyranny. Do not comply. Do not register. Fuck the leftists.
This is for the game folks. History shows again and again what happens when a people are disarmed. Want to live? Stop these worthless fucking socialist democrats cold. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:12:32 AM EDT
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Ok give me online NFA registration and instant approval and we will talk I bet you 2 don't realize the NFA is gun registration. Gun registration has only one purpose, which is to later do confiscations. And repeal the Hughes amendment. Put something on the table for them to compromise and they'll back down immediately. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:13:22 AM EDT
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Ok give me online NFA registration and instant approval and we will talk And repeal the Hughes amendment. Put something on the table for them to compromise and they'll back down immediately. Even if they did compromise, they'd find a way to reneg in a couple years. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:14:52 AM EDT
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She is one person, against how many million gun owners?
Tell me again how this country is supposed to work? |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:16:52 AM EDT
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This is what I was afraid they would resort to.
Lots of politicians will sign on to this, as it is "reasonable" 
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:17:33 AM EDT
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Ok give me online NFA registration and instant approval and we will talk I bet you 2 don't realize the NFA is gun registration. Gun registration has only one purpose, which is to later do confiscations. And repeal the Hughes amendment. Put something on the table for them to compromise and they'll back down immediately. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Let me clarify; I don't any new laws. They need to be reminded of what "compromise" actually means. Sometimes it's necessary to "poison pill" these bastards when possible to get them to die. I'd much rather have no registration (read no confiscation) than registered and confiscable machine guns. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:28:47 AM EDT
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Honestly, congress can't even agree on how to stop the biggest tax increase in history. Do y'all really think they'll agree on something to do with guns? They never seem to have any trouble agreeing on how to fuck the "We the People" over. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:32:55 AM EDT
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Fuck her !
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:36:41 AM EDT
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She said I can buy a device to make my AR legally fully automatic. What a lying sack of shit this fucking cunt is. slide fire stock Still think that goddamned thing was a good idea? It's coming back to bite us all in the ass. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:40:14 AM EDT
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Bright side is once a gun is NFA, it's NFA.....
If this happens I'm full autoing EVERYTHING. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:41:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: She said I can buy a device to make my AR legally fully automatic. What a lying sack of shit this fucking cunt is. slide fire stock Still think that goddamned thing was a good idea? It's coming back to bite us all in the ass. Yup. There's a reason the ATF approved it. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:42:28 AM EDT
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Wait, so if I have to register my ebrs as NFA weapons, that means they all get happy switches, right?...right? My thoughts as well. If I have to register it, I should be able to go all the way. If you don't register it, you may as well go all the way. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:42:53 AM EDT
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Looks like it will be a long and bumpy road. Bullshit! At lord knows what cost to the tax payer.... |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:43:16 AM EDT
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Bright side is once a gun is NFA, it's NFA..... If this happens I'm full autoing EVERYTHING. If they can think of making these rifles NFA items, well I am sure there will be a way to also ensure that they do not become FA as well. Count on it. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:43:35 AM EDT
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Bright side is once a gun is NFA, it's NFA..... If this happens I'm full autoing EVERYTHING. Yep, that's why everyone with an SBR goes ahead and converts it to FA as well, right? 
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:43:44 AM EDT
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There's a hundred million gun owners in the United States. The overwhelming majority of our armed forces are conservative.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:46:26 AM EDT
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If you don't register it, you may as well go all the way. The way you think- I like it. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:49:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: New weapons can't be made full auto. But I bet these asshats write a poorly written and understood law that grandfathers in "assault weapons" as MGs. Hell, 5/6ths of them don't understand they aren't already full auto.Quoted: Bright side is once a gun is NFA, it's NFA..... If this happens I'm full autoing EVERYTHING. Yep, that's why everyone with an SBR goes ahead and converts it to FA as well, right? |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:51:22 AM EDT
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Here's an interesting question (to me). Sorry if it's already been brought up. I'm not caught up on the thread.
But what would you guys say if the put ARs (and AKs and whatever) under the NFA, but repealed the '86 ban on full-auto weapons? So basically any registered "assault weapon" could be full-auto or not? Would you guys consider that a decent trade? And yeah, I know, "shall not be infringed" blah blah... but the courts have already decided that the gov can tax us. We've already lost that fight. So if this is their plan, do you think what I said above would be a good angle to fight for and not let this be a total loss for gun owners? ETA: TAG |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:55:12 AM EDT
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Fuck her ! I for one would blow a guy before I'd fuck her... Hell I would cut/gnaw IT off before getting anywhere near her... 
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:56:25 AM EDT
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"Hmmmmm maybe we can allow the manufacture of new full auto for civilians if we're going that route."
At the very least, get this into any proposed legislation as the "poison pill". |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:57:40 AM EDT
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Ok give me online NFA registration and instant approval and we will talk I bet you 2 don't realize the NFA is gun registration. Gun registration has only one purpose, which is to later do confiscations. And repeal the Hughes amendment. Put something on the table for them to compromise and they'll back down immediately. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Let me clarify; I don't any new laws. They need to be reminded of what "compromise" actually means. Sometimes it's necessary to "poison pill" these bastards when possible to get them to die. I'd much rather have no registration (read no confiscation) than registered and confiscable machine guns. That's my thinking, as well. Sometimes, if they want it enough, they'll take the pill. For instance, the Brady Bill forbids the government from keeping an electronic registration database of gun owners. No way the grabbers wanted that in there, but they wanted the rest of the stupid law so they took it. We don't have to take anything lying down. It might come to the point that they're going to pass a law, but we can still get something out of the deal. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing win for either side. (although I'd obviously prefer a complete wi for our side. We have to be realistic and as shrewd as they are.) |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:01:15 AM EDT
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I do not agree that they should be put under the NFA, but if they did it then it wouldn't be an AWB. Can you imagine the backlog at NFA Branch this would cause though, fuck me to death.... It's what 6-9 Months NOW??? and IIRC arent they a couple of examiners short, and have no intention of hiring more? |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:02:27 AM EDT
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Stupid bitch can't even get the act straight. "Federal Firearms Act"...bwahahahaahaha. dumbass. She also said "there is this little thing you can buy for real cheap to make all our AR's full auto".
For the younger members............this is how she acted during the first AWB. Total anti-gun, hypocritical DOUCHE BAG!! This is a lot of the problem...most people simply think that an AR 15 is a machine gun that sprays bullets like a hose....you would think that after all this time that politicians and the media would at least get their facts straight. Sadly, there is an almost arrogant attitude of smug superiority amongst the left in regards to their being ignorant of the facts...like its cool to be unimformed.  The "Facts' don't support the crap they are trying to push...which is why they lie about them. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:05:46 AM EDT
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She is one person, against how many million gun owners? Tell me again how this country is supposed to work? Have you forgotten about Obama Care already? You know, the bill that 70% of the US population or "We The People" did not want. They do not care about what "we" think. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:26:15 AM EDT
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Or at the very least, to non-transferable weapons.
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I do not agree that they should be put under the NFA, but if they did it then it wouldn't be an AWB. Can you imagine the backlog at NFA Branch this would cause though, fuck me to death.... If it goes to be included in the NFA registration that means they have your serial numbet, name, and address. Registration leads to confiscation. When the current generation dies out, so do all the firearms. A NFA trust never dies... but we should refresh the Liberty Tree before it gets to that point. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:28:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: I do not agree that they should be put under the NFA, but if they did it then it wouldn't be an AWB. Can you imagine the backlog at NFA Branch this would cause though, fuck me to death.... Which is an ALREADY backlogged branch as it is that can't even hire new employees to process the goddamn forms in a timely fashion. Great idea.  |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:30:11 AM EDT
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Just sent my U.S Senator an E-Mail.If we manage to stop them this time,there is no logical reason not to keep up the pressure on these traitors,STAY VIGILANTE.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:31:04 AM EDT
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Ok give me online NFA registration and instant approval and we will talk And repeal the Hughes amendment. Put something on the table for them to compromise and they'll back down immediately. Yep. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:34:35 AM EDT
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I do not agree that they should be put under the NFA, but if they did it then it wouldn't be an AWB. Can you imagine the backlog at NFA Branch this would cause though, fuck me to death.... If it goes to be included in the NFA registration that means they have your serial numbet, name, and address. Registration leads to confiscation. When the current generation dies out, so do all the firearms. A NFA trust never dies... but we should refresh the Liberty Tree before it gets to that point. Actually, it depends on how the trust is written. That's something I noticed with many of the "willmaker" type trusts. They're setup to die a short time after the grantor and once the property has been distributed to the grantee. Which for the purposes of an NFA trust is kind of stupid since the items would no longer be covered by the trust. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 9:54:59 AM EDT
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Can I gets a pair of Air Jordans for my choppa?
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Posted: 12/25/2012 10:09:07 AM EDT
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it goes thorough all my ARs will be registered as SBRs or I will make some of my receivers pistols |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 10:16:02 AM EDT
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She said I can buy a device to make my AR legally fully automatic. What a lying sack of shit this fucking cunt is. slide fire stock Still think that goddamned thing was a good idea? It's coming back to bite us all in the ass. Yeah, I bet it is the slide fire stock she is referring too.........not surprised |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 10:17:07 AM EDT
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Well, see, we already set a precedence or made history back in 1996 with the midterms. A lot of Senators and Representatives realize gun control is the third rail and could cost them their jobs. That's like $170,000 per year plus a sweet ass health insurance plan. You forgot all the wining, dining and kickbacks. |
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Posted: 12/25/2012 10:18:50 AM EDT
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A week ago I predicted this is what tehy would do... from The Official AWB Speculation thread, 19 Dec: My predictions:
1. Ban on production/sale of new rifle or pistol mags over 10rd capacity to non-LEO/.gov. 2. Possible ban on possession of any rifle or pistol mag over 10rd capacity for non-LEO/.gov. i.e., NO GRANDFATHERING. 3. Addition of "semi-automatic centerfire rifles with a magazine capacity over 10 rds or capable of accepting a detachable magazine" to the NFA registry. Passes constitutional muster under Heller. Current ownership can be registered online within 30 days and the $200 fee waived because the regime will WANT that list of current owners. There will be massive noncompliance. Expect a minimum prison sentence of 5 years and a bounty on turning in someone in possession of an unregistered "assault rifle". Future purchase/transfer will take 24 months for the limited number of NFA Branch clerks to process the paperwork, killing the market. +1 ATF regs 94-1 and 94-2 (reclassification of non-sporting shotguns to DD through NFA) passed without legislative action. Also without legislative action, the Obama administration can increase the government bureaucracy at BATFE, just like ObamaCare expanded the IRS. |
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