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Link Posted: 12/25/2012 10:24:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaculo:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4254274



proof that is is about tax revenue not lives or the constitution.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 10:26:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ka-tetof1:
look at how big the Tobacco companies were and how they couldn't do anything to stop what has happened.

.


Tobacco is not in the constitution. Guns are.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 10:27:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By StretchMaK:
Originally Posted By BuckeyeDoc:
She is one person, against how many million gun owners?

Tell me again how this country is supposed to work?




Have you forgotten about Obama Care already? You know, the bill that 70% of the US population or "We The People" did not want. They do not care about what "we" think.


Have you forgotten about the results of the 2010 election?
You can be sure that the politicians haven't. They may not give a damn about what people think, but how they vote is of very great concern to them.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 10:29:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 10:41:18 AM EDT
Well I guess my xmas wish didn't come true...she doesn't have Ebola.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 10:42:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By felrom:
Make a letter for D's and a letter for R's, and start sending them.


I have my "R" letter(s) done and in route as we speak. Alas, I fear the "D" letter will fall on deaf ears and closed minds.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 10:52:23 AM EDT
The real question is, if they came for your guns, via NFA or str8 confiscation. Would you fight for your right by whatever means necessary? I imagine the answers most here would give would make you lose hope as I think most would tuck tail and register / give up their property.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 10:57:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By pivoproseem:
Stupid bitch can't even get the act straight. "Federal Firearms Act"...bwahahahaahaha. dumbass.


She also said "there is this little thing you can buy for real cheap to make all those AR's full auto".

For the younger members............this is how she acted during the first AWB.

Total anti-gun, hypocritical, lying DOUCHE BAG!!


DIAS.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 11:07:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JAGERBOMBER:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By pivoproseem:
Stupid bitch can't even get the act straight. "Federal Firearms Act"...bwahahahaahaha. dumbass.


She also said "there is this little thing you can buy for real cheap to make all those AR's full auto".

For the younger members............this is how she acted during the first AWB.

Total anti-gun, hypocritical, lying DOUCHE BAG!!


DIAS.


Shoestring
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 11:14:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 11:27:17 AM EDT
Fuck her with chuckle shumers old shriveled up dick.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 11:27:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Originally Posted By RDak:
Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:

............

And there it is! its okay for her...and the 'right' people to be armed...not for the rabble.


Yup.


Man that pisses me off...talk about an aristocracy right here in the US...the founding fathers must be spinning in their graves at 90,000 RPM's.


I also find her actions to be upsetting, but the Founders were pretty much all aristocrats/elitists, which was a good thing. The folks who have wanted to disarm the people the most have been the egalitarians.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 11:34:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2012 11:36:19 AM EDT by cobra-ak]
Originally Posted By rara1141:
Originally Posted By ka-tetof1:
look at how big the Tobacco companies were and how they couldn't do anything to stop what has happened.

.


Tobacco is not in the constitution. Guns are.
There are no laws saying you cannot smoke, just restrcitions on areas where you can smoke, and by the way the tobacco companies own the Feds more than the NRA could ever imagine to lobby

Link Posted: 12/25/2012 11:37:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Shoestring


I sold all my shoestrings on the gray market.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 11:45:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rara1141:
Originally Posted By ka-tetof1:
look at how big the Tobacco companies were and how they couldn't do anything to stop what has happened.

.


Tobacco is not in the constitution. Guns are.


I really hate this sort of statement, but it is a popular one used to justify all sorts of government intrusions and regulations.

Most of our rights are not listed in the constitution, and the constitution says that that lack of complete enumeration (which wouldn't be possible or needed in a constitution) does not mean that those rights are not retained by the people.

Even if that wasn't true, the Constitution does not grant Congress the power to pass laws regarding tobacco aside from taxes and laws ensuring that interstate commerce is not obstructed/remains uniform (as opposed to a State banning importation from another State) and governing international commerce. With guns, even without the second amendment there is no power to restrict what kinds of guns people can own granted to Congress.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 11:50:29 AM EDT
I see this move in a different way.

To me, to include AR15 in the NFA, signals that there isn't the interest in the Senate or House to pass her ban (banning the grandfathering, transfer of AR's).

Unfortunately, I can see more congressional support for NFA registration (IMO =easy confiscation or future ban).

Amazing how these democrat buckets of sewage have turned the "conversation " from guns to increasing the scope of the feds(registration) and taxes (tax stamp).

Link Posted: 12/25/2012 12:04:55 PM EDT
I am already considering a lawsuit against BATFE. . .

I wonder what would happen if even 1/3 of the gun owners in the U.S. simultaneously sued the BATFE, for a wide variety of claims so they couldn't be consolidated. The fucks are already using our money against us, if they could be made to waste it defending themselves instead of wasting it to fuck with gun owners I would consider that a victory.

On a related note, that's the only feasible way I can think of to stop all the crooked fucking politicians too; get a coalition together to build a financial base and start sueing them (individually) out of existance one at a time. The same tactic the fucking gov't uses on us. If done properly they wouldn't have governmental immunity to fall back on and they would have to use personal funds to defend themselves. You don't have to win...just destroy the fuckers lives as a warning to the rest. You know, the way they do their "subjects."
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 12:57:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2012 12:59:03 PM EDT by jal777]
Ladies and gentlemen. If they can get away with this they will find the way to put handguns and shotguns on the NFA registry. For all your wet dreamers, they are NOT going to let you register anything full auto. They will come up with a new category named "assault weapon" or simply thrown them in with destructive devices. Then they will include handguns and shotguns when the time is right, eventually leading to their ultimate goal which is confiscation. We can't allow this shit to happen!
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 12:59:50 PM EDT
That worthless stupid bitch!!!

I did not read through 5 pages of bitchin' about the bitch.

If she somehow gets EBR's as an NFA item, and we are not charged the $200, through some sort of grandfather clause think about this. Not being grandfathered it would not pass, IMHO. Also IMHO grandfather laws suck, they do that shit so people won't fight against a bill so much.

You need a trust, money out of your pocket
the fed's would know where and what you have, makes for easier pick up later on
it won't solve any gun crime, the asshole's steal the guns anyway
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:23:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Freezeland:
Originally Posted By Blaculo:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4254274



I do not agree that they should be put under the NFA, but if they did it then it wouldn't be an AWB. Can you imagine the backlog at NFA Branch this would cause though, fuck me to death....



Wow. That sucks for the new people. But I got 2 already and my 3rd coming in 2 weeks.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:27:43 PM EDT
That would blow. Guess I'd be set though, currently I've only got NFA AR's.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:29:12 PM EDT
Evey time that bagel munching Communist opens her mouth I want to puke all over the TV screen.

She has most definitely overplayed her hand with her lies and clever personal motives.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:30:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By spartacus2002:
A week ago I predicted this is what tehy would do...

from The Official AWB Speculation thread, 19 Dec:

My predictions:

1. Ban on production/sale of new rifle or pistol mags over 10rd capacity to non-LEO/.gov.

2. Possible ban on possession of any rifle or pistol mag over 10rd capacity for non-LEO/.gov. i.e., NO GRANDFATHERING.

3. Addition of "semi-automatic centerfire rifles with a magazine capacity over 10 rds or capable of accepting a detachable magazine" to the NFA registry. Passes constitutional muster under Heller. Current ownership can be registered online within 30 days and the $200 fee waived because the regime will WANT that list of current owners. There will be massive noncompliance. Expect a minimum prison sentence of 5 years and a bounty on turning in someone in possession of an unregistered "assault rifle". Future purchase/transfer will take 24 months for the limited number of NFA Branch clerks to process the paperwork, killing the market.


in Nj this would ban any ar or ak outright because the state bans all NFA items. so there would be a challenge here as the AR15 is in comon use...they would have to make some clause here in NJ due to this and then it would make 30rd mags legal for me as any registered assault weapon owner can buy and posses ...
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:30:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 98_1LE:
The "gun show loophole" is ignorant liberal for forcing all private sales through an FFL.

What we need is a federally mandated program for concealed carry that is a copy of the drivers license model that already has proven to work. State issued licenses, federally mandated to be recognized in all 50.



And what that logic amounts to is streamlining the registry....no way.....the 2nd amendment is over regulated to the max as it is.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:33:13 PM EDT
hate to say it, but this is feminism which we are battling now. It is an accumulative dose of women reaching "equality" or a perceived shift in power and now they need to "take away the toys from the children".
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:42:53 PM EDT
Look, WHATEVER THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO!
Fighter before thefight" I plan on taking it to the ground as fast as possible and submitting my opponent"
That means he is going to try to knock him the f*** out.
If they are talking about registration and NFA, that means they are probably planning a mental health firearms card as defined by a obamacare specialist.

"Tell me about the time your dog ran away and how it made you feel"
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:44:20 PM EDT
Oh, gee, wasn't there a rumor floating around that the Obama admin wanted to do this before Newtown? We're being played.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 1:49:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2012 1:50:32 PM EDT by hyperjoe]

Originally Posted By dayphotog:
will she ban barrel shrouds?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGpykAX1fo


"It's a shoulder thing that goes up"

Link Posted: 12/25/2012 2:20:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Spectre210:
I am already considering a lawsuit against BATFE. . .

I wonder what would happen if even 1/3 of the gun owners in the U.S. simultaneously sued the BATFE, for a wide variety of claims so they couldn't be consolidated. The fucks are already using our money against us, if they could be made to waste it defending themselves instead of wasting it to fuck with gun owners I would consider that a victory.

On a related note, that's the only feasible way I can think of to stop all the crooked fucking politicians too; get a coalition together to build a financial base and start sueing them (individually) out of existance one at a time. The same tactic the fucking gov't uses on us. If done properly they wouldn't have governmental immunity to fall back on and they would have to use personal funds to defend themselves. You don't have to win...just destroy the fuckers lives as a warning to the rest. You know, the way they do their "subjects."


Sounds good in theory, but in reality it will never happen. Our side is never that well organized, and they already have way too much power as it is.

Link Posted: 12/25/2012 2:23:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Hmmmmm maybe we can allow the manufacture of new full auto for civilians if we're going that route.


Poison pill amendment comes to mind.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 2:24:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Shoestring


I sold all my shoestrings on the gray market.


I sold a Heavy Plasma Rifle, an Alien Grenade and a Sectoid corpse on the Gray market.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 3:53:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By moose-hunter:
Originally Posted By felrom:
Make a letter for D's and a letter for R's, and start sending them.


I have my "R" letter(s) done and in route as we speak. Alas, I fear the "D" letter will fall on deaf ears and closed minds.

My "D" letter:

Dear Senator/Representative XXXX,

Please don't lose the senate over gun control!

The last time we passed an Assault Weapons Ban, we lost the House in the mid-terms as a direct result.

It's not worth it to let the republicans take control.

Sincerely,

xxxx

Use your imagination and come up with something similar.

Link Posted: 12/25/2012 4:42:41 PM EDT
NICE!!!


My "D" letter:

Dear Senator/Representative XXXX,

Please don't lose the senate over gun control!

The last time we passed an Assault Weapons Ban, we lost the House in the mid-terms as a direct result.

It's not worth it to let the republicans take control.

Sincerely,

xxxx
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 4:54:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Honestly, congress can't even agree on how to stop the biggest tax increase in history. Do y'all really think they'll agree on something to do with guns?



Yes.

Because it's visceral and it's for the children.

Don't forget: complacency kills.
Link Posted: 12/25/2012 5:19:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
If George Washington was here today he'd already be killing people.


He'd be standing in line waiting his turn behind Jefferson and Madison. They'd be going after folks like Pelosi like Viking berzerkers on an English monastery.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 7:23:23 AM EDT
Here is a good write up of what she wants...if it says it is forbidden, give it a moment..Monderno's site is getting hit on more then a deployment widow on pay day.

Link Posted: 12/27/2012 2:29:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tannim:
Bright side is once a gun is NFA, it's NFA.....


If this happens I'm full autoing EVERYTHING.


No you won't.

IF they make them NFA, which is a big "if", they will just create a new category of NFA.

What you are saying is no different than saying "Gee, I'm just going to make my SBR into a machinegun, because they are both NFA."

So the point is, don't give them an inch in the first place.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 2:41:41 PM EDT
I'm not even sure BATF could deal with the logistics of that.
Link Posted: 12/27/2012 3:02:02 PM EDT
I dont think (hope) this has a chance in hell of passing but lets say it does.
They would make a new class in the NFA registry say AW or some such silly shit. They would have about a hundred million year backlog. At a certain point someone will get pissed who up till now didnt have NFA weapons. They will file all manner of legal briefs and stall the whole process more. At some point they will want a full counting of items on the NFA registries, MG's included. The feds DO NOT want to open the MG registry! If they do they would have to explain how post 86 MG's made it to the registry (Oh I dont know like how there is only supposed to be one PKM in the registry yet there are 2 transferable). There are other iffy things as well.
Long story short though, I dont think people have the will to stand up to this sort of thing once passed but I hope Im wrong
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:51:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AcidGambit:
I'm not even sure BATF could deal with the logistics of that.


They'll find a way.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:54:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rxdawg:
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Hmmmmm maybe we can allow the manufacture of new full auto for civilians if we're going that route.


Poison pill amendment comes to mind.


This right here. We can make all semis NFA, but they all get converted to full auto with no limit on new registrations.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 5:54:53 PM EDT
This does not have a chance in hell of passing as the bill is written. This cunt is fucking nuts.

I will say it loud and clear. I will not register my weapons and if she wants to kick a hornets nest she's kicking the biggest one she's ever seen.
Link Posted: 12/28/2012 6:04:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/31/2012 10:28:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2012 12:01:52 PM EDT by mpweed]
Folks,

Please don't think that this can't pass the Congress or Supreme Court scrutiny on constitutional grounds. Most of the laws on the books right now are unconstitutional. We need to do everything we can now to convince our lawmakers to oppose this.

Consider for a moment:

1. The NFA: It is structurally no different than a Poll Tax -- a tax that must be paid in order to exercise a right. Yet the former was ruled constitutional while the latter was not. Imagine for a moment if the same rationale were applied to the First Amendment. What would people say/do if they had to file paperwork, get fingerprinted, receive permission from the government, and pay a tax before they could publish a news article or editorial? The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

2. The Health Care Affordability Act (a.k.a., Obamacare): This is a more recent but no less egregious example of how despotic the Supreme Court has become. In the ruling upholding the statute, it was remarked by the majority that it must be "construed" as a tax even though it was not characterized as such by Congress. Yet -- as most constitutional scholars will tell you -- in order for it to be a valid tax-raising law it must originate in the House of Representatives (it originated in the Senate). So even if the majority is correct in their interpretation, the law should still be null and void because it violates the Constitution's explicit procedures on raising revenue.

Clearly, the Supreme Court cannot be trusted to uphold the Constitution or the God-given rights it is supposed to recognize and bolster. Freedom diminishing acts such as this must be stopped before they become law because it is nearly impossible to stop them afterwards.

Beyond urging our lawmakers to resist this, you also need to decide how you will respond if the proposed AWB does come to pass. Will you comply or not?

I will not.

I had hoped to die in bed at an old age. I am now beginning to believe that I will be murdered by my government for defending my freedom.
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